Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Are you kidding? Celtic about went ape **** over him in Wolverine Origins!

Reynolds gave an update on the spin off recently

 

[karamazov80]

I'll probably get burned for this, but its the time it came out imo. Although 1980 had some epic movies, pure drivel was expected and enjoyed. Leaps in logic weren't even questioned in movies.

I think that's true, but I'm not sure that has changed? Michael Bay films are insanely popular, after all.

Superman 2. . .I like it, I have nostalgia for it, but it's got some problems and that's putting it lightly. Losing his powers, wiping Lois's memory, the wacky S-shield prison, joyfully murdering the Kryptonians at the end, frighteningly using his powers to take petty frustrations out on the guy who picked on him when he had no powers. The bigger ethical issue is probably from part 1 where he turns back time for an extremely selfish purpose, but. . .like Niltusk says, these movies weren't concerned with being heavily scrutinized in that way. Having said all that, I think they succeeded in some ways that MOS doesn't, in that they had joy and heart. And when a movie doesn't take itself so seriously, I think you can give it much more of a pass with wacky stuff like this, whereas when a movie has ambitions of being "gritty and realistic" then it's really asking to be judged on those levels.

 

[Niltusk]

Let me interrupt this thread with a picture of Cavill in a wifebeater........you're welcome.

...And if Superman doesn't work out he could always hope for an Alpha Flight movie.

 

[jye4ever]

I think that's true, but I'm not sure that has changed? Michael Bay films are insanely popular, after all.

Superman 2. . .I like it, I have nostalgia for it, but it's got some problems and that's putting it lightly. Losing his powers, wiping Lois's memory, the wacky S-shield prison, joyfully murdering the Kryptonians at the end, frighteningly using his powers to take petty frustrations out on the guy who picked on him when he had no powers. The bigger ethical issue is probably from part 1 where he turns back time for an extremely selfish purpose, but. . .like Niltusk says, these movies weren't concerned with being heavily scrutinized in that way. Having said all that, I think they succeeded in some ways that MOS doesn't, in that they had joy and heart. And when a movie doesn't take itself so seriously, I think you can give it much more of a pass with wacky stuff like this, whereas a movie has ambitions of being "gritty and realistic" then it's really asking to be judged on those levels.

Donner's cut fixes the silly S weapon but still has bully Superman and spinning the earth back, but your core message is correct.

 

[Niltusk]

...joyfully murdering kryptonians at the end...

At least Cavill performed a Klingon scream afterwards.

 

[jye4ever]

...joyfully murdering kryptonians at the end...

At least Cavill performed a Klingon scream afterwards.

What happens to Zod in STM is unbridled murder.

Superman knows Zod was changed to just a mere human, then he first tortures him by crushing his hand bones, then he murders him in cold blood.



Screw that deleted scene of Zod going to jail.

 

[The Ween]

...And if Superman doesn't work out he could always hope for an Alpha Flight movie.

He can shave off the beard, but the chest hair? NOOOOOO!

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I know the effects were limited back then but the fighting in Superman 2 is cringeworthy, hard to hard.

 

[chewblacca]

In the Man of Steel novelization I'm up to the part where he remembers his father's death. Before that he flies and he goes practically around the world. Tears fall from his eyes as he flies, twisting and turning. In the movie the angles are so tight that you never get a feeling of freedom. At first he leaps in the air, smiles and falls to the ground. He flies around some horses, but the camera is so tight on him that it does not look fun. Everytime you see him he's zipping around so fast that even the feat of flying, possibly the one ability that anyone would love to have looks dull.

 

[The Ween]

In the Man of Steel novelization I'm up to the part where he remembers his father's death. Before that he flies and he goes practically around the world. Tears fall from his eyes as he flies, twisting and turning. In the movie the angles are so tight that you never get a feeling of freedom. At first he leaps in the air, smiles and falls to the ground. He flies around some horses, but the camera is so tight on him that it does not look fun. Everytime you see him he's zipping around so fast that even the feat of flying, possibly the one ability that anyone would love to have looks dull.

That could be to make it more realistic.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I like the motion when he first learned to keep flying rather than fall. He jumped then kindof flexed his body and kept going, that subtle motion emphasised the whole process.

 

[Niltusk]

What happens to Zod in STM is unbridled murder.

Superman knows Zod was changed to just a mere human, then he first tortures him by crushing his hand bones, then he murders him in cold blood.



Screw that deleted scene of Zod going to jail.

You know what, thats ironic that you bring that up, because in the comic when he kills Zod, Zod has been depowered and turned "human like". but he won't stop running his mouth, so...

I'd totally forgotten about that aspect in the movie.

 

[chewblacca]

That could be to make it more realistic.

How dull would you look if you could fly?

 

[CelticPredator]

Are you kidding? Celtic about went ape **** over him in Wolverine Origins!

Because they ruined his character, and that movie was beyond horrendous.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Because they ruined his character, and that movie was beyond horrendous.

If they hadn't called him Wade his character would've been fine. It's because they corrupted the character that Weapon XI was poor.

 

[The Ween]

Because they ruined his character, and that movie was beyond horrendous.

I meant ape **** because you loved it so much.

Deadpool was koolz!

 

[CelticPredator]

 

[Niltusk]

...and theres people that were actually watching that onscreen thinking, "wow, this is cool".

Not many, but they were out there. My neighbor places this movie in his top 10 and finds this battle to be "epic".

Yep, I **** you not.

 

[karamazov80]

I'll give Man of Steel this much--it is a better film than Wolverine: Origins.

 

[The Ween]

I'll give Man of Steel this much--it is a better film than Wolverine: Origins.

But Hugh's in it. And he's wearing a wifebeater. And he's Hugh.