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And that Karli character as the Flagsmasher's leader was laughable. I couldn't figure out if you were supposed to like her, then later dislike her? Feel bad for her?? Either way she was terrible and I was glad when she was killed. One of the best parts of the show!! :lol The actor wasn't very good. Not sure if she was the same person from Solo who played Enfys Nest, but just as bad and with many eye rolling moments. One bad ass little girl. :lol At least find an actor that looks menacing and tough, not a cutesy freckled whatever she was supposed to be.[...]

The whole show was poorly done, but I can't figure out how I was supposed to buy her as a leader. She wasn't particularly charismatic, didn't seem to be a highly skilled combatant, and wasn't exactly some kind of a tactical genius nor was she sold as such. A bunch of people looked slack-jawed and hung on her every word but I never really got *why*. She just seemed really committed to the cause but apparently her followers were morons who couldn't think for themselves.
 
But the show is doing more than just expressing a feeling.. It was teaching a lesson. That is what we are supposed to get out of it. The lesson should be how far we have come as a country. We have our sins for sure but we are not nearly as divided as the news and politicians want us to be. Obama was our President for 8 years.. Hell I was even worried about an assassination attempt.. But not a one.. Of the county was as still as racist as some want to make it out to be then I dont think we get through those 8 years without some idiot trying to take an attempt at him.

We are getting a tad to political here..

Again it could have been handled much better.

The film Wind River does a fantastic job of showing us the plight of the Native American Indian, while not once getting preachy about it. That's the way to do it.. Had a much bigger impact on me then this shows speeches did.






Of course then there is this... :lol

Nah, it?s not political.
Politics is whether or not a flat or progressive tax plan should be adopted. Black people having to fear harm coming to them because of the color of their skin has nothing to do with politics.
Still trying to get my head around what metrics you are using to determine how members of a minority group should feel about how far the country has come for them?
Have you ever asked a black person how they feel things are going for them in this country? Have you asked them how much time they spend worrying about the effects of racism on themselves and their children?
This show clearly forced a lot of people to face some uncomfortable truths about how black Americans feel about their role in this country and some are dismissing it as false because it?s easier to swallow that way.
 
Whatever it takes for you to enjoy it. I call that weak writing and poor execution. And my other questions still stand:

  • When is it okay to blow up a building with prisoners confined in it?
  • When is it okay to set a vehicle on fire with civilian hostages inside it?
  • When is it okay to publicly execute senators to prove a point?

If you're desperate for an argument, you won't get it from me. I've already said the show did a poor job of explaining what was going on.

As to your other questions, I intentionally ignored them because it's a straw man.
 
Nah, it?s not political.
Politics is whether or not a flat or progressive tax plan should be adopted. Black people having to fear harm coming to them because of the color of their skin has nothing to do with politics.
Still trying to get my head around what metrics you are using to determine how members of a minority group should feel about how far the country has come for them?
Have you ever asked a black person how they feel things are going for them in this country? Have you asked them how much time they spend worrying about the effects of racism on themselves and their children?
This show clearly forced a lot of people to face some uncomfortable truths about how black Americans feel about their role in this country and some are dismissing it as false because it?s easier to swallow that way.

Then thank goodness that a entertainment show for entertainment gives me a lecture on race instead of me choosing to go watch a documentary about it. Why didn't they cover this in Cap1? Cap2? Avengers? No one wants this in Marvel shows. This might just be a sign of things to come with some of the properties they've announced, so count me out of those. Go into politics on these shows and it is only a matter of time till everyone is pissed off.
 
The show is trying to make people understand certain view points. That?s all really. For a lot of minorities America doesn?t represent them and they feel like they don?t belong. It?s a love hate relationship really. Nobody is trying to replace anyone just show how the man felt when he helped his country. He felt betrayed and just wanted to be acknowledge not be touted as a hero.

This is just real stuff. Just the other day I read a Spider-Man comic from the 60s and black man got up in Norman osborns face and argued with him about the exact stuff we are talking about today. This is really nothing new.

The thing is people on Twitter and other places stoke the fire and act like if you don?t say a certain thing then you should go to hell. And white men are all evil. Or all men rape. So it?s a huge back and forth.

But racial injustice is still happening and should be talked about. I know for some of you it?s not what you?d like to see in your media.
 
I have no problem with the political aspects of the show and the previous cap movies, some of it can even be intriguing.

What I'm not interested in though is a lecture. And a convoluted lecture at that.
 
Then thank goodness that a entertainment show for entertainment gives me a lecture on race instead of me choosing to go watch a documentary about it. Why didn't they cover this in Cap1? Cap2? Avengers? No one wants this in Marvel shows. This might just be a sign of things to come with some of the properties they've announced, so count me out of those. Go into politics on these shows and it is only a matter of time till everyone is pissed off.

What do you mean ?no one wants this in Marvel shows??
I must have missed the vote when you were appointed to speak for what I want in Marvel shows.
I want it in Marvel shows. It was exactly what I wanted in Marvel shows.
?Everyone? can?t be pissed off because that ?everyone? would include me and once again, I was not pissed off.
Some people want to turn their brains off and watch people with super powers fight, some people like a little more depth in their super hero shows.
Guess we won this round because that?s what they gave us.
Guess you?ll have to start looking for new ways to be entertained.
 
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So did Steve die from old age or something somewhere between endgame and this?

They keep saying he's "gone" but isn't he just old? That seems kinda rude to pretend he doesn't exist just cause he's an old man now.

It's weird they never bothered to go so far as to even have anyone reference what he thought about everything going on during the events of the series. Surely he would have had some interesting things to say.
 
Nah, it?s not political.
Politics is whether or not a flat or progressive tax plan should be adopted. Black people having to fear harm coming to them because of the color of their skin has nothing to do with politics.
Still trying to get my head around what metrics you are using to determine how members of a minority group should feel about how far the country has come for them?
Have you ever asked a black person how they feel things are going for them in this country? Have you asked them how much time they spend worrying about the effects of racism on themselves and their children?
This show clearly forced a lot of people to face some uncomfortable truths about how black Americans feel about their role in this country and some are dismissing it as false because it?s easier to swallow that way.

Well, maybe. Except I'd argue, again, it's insulting to think that from at least pre-teen on up, especially this past year, that the history of various wrongs, and even rights, hasn't been delivered 24/7; from classrooms to media...

And that groups of peoples' experiences is gonna vary where they live; in the urban area where I live, yes, indeed, there are many poor people of all races. But there are also many well-off people of many races; got a black neighbor (out of many) who regularly changes cars every few years or so; and it's always for a new Lexus and like that. He's a hard working man; earns what he buys. Lots of minorities with Mcmansions and so on.

So, depending on where you are, folks raging about certain issues doesn't compute. It's more like, what? Like a lot of OUR bank officials are black, Hispanic, Indian...the head of my local post office is Asian...I'd feel stupid asking someone who owns a McMansion how they feel about how the country is treating them:google. Yeah, there's racism, black/white and reverse; but it's hardly the norm. Mostly it's people working brutally long hours and commutes. Because that's how it was in my region, before Covid. Yep, there's poor areas. Lots of well-off too.

(U could, also with justification, ask taxpayers how they feel about pouring millions into the war on poverty, Section-8 and food programs, and so on, and then have to listen to some of the stuff said, like none of that counted:(. Or like, the bosses who can't fire people who are terrible workers, because they'd get hit with a lawsuit and/or labelled racist, etc.)

So using a comic book movie to once again, badger people about issues they already know about is a mistake (especially because we were already there with Black Panther - been there, done that). You're either preaching to people who seem to love this kind of thing 24/7 (and often get on social media to overshare their own opinions or cry or drone on) or irritating people like me:mad: who have certain expectations when a showrunner has classic characters put in their hands to look after, and will just tune out.

IMO, folks wanna fix problems - and IMO laughably Cap's speech at the end is a perfect example - u wanna fix problems, do it. Quit talking and protesting and do the work - pick up a hammer and join Habitat for Humanity, build a community garden in an area of food deserts, clean up the garbage and repaint some person's house in an urban area, etc. Spellman & co. should've tried that; maybe then they'd get why Cap's speech was so lame:horror And you're not gonna win hearts and minds with BAD WRITING.:pfft:

Do, or do not. There is no try.:monkey3

Guess you?ll have to start looking for new ways to be entertained.

Yes, indeed. My favorite MCU character was nerfed and another favorite has morphed into someone pompous, insensitive, and patronizing. I don't see any hope either in that the same showrunner is still on board.

Not much you can do with any product that has changed into something you don't like (like a comic book run) except shift gears. Hopefully Loki will be OK at least. But I don't trust Kevin Feige at all, at this point.
 
How can we have so many grow man who plays with political action figures but can't comprehend that everything is politics.

Lets not forget that Captain America and Superman were created by Jews as a political stand against facism.
Superman is even more explicit than Cap as he was originally conceived as Jewish (his dark hair and his Hebrew sounding birthname Kal-El, were intentional). His exploits were instinctively anti-fascist (he fought them in World War II and was even used in an effort to expose the evils of the Ku Klux Klan via a radio show in the 1940s).
 
If you're desperate for an argument, you won't get it from me. I've already said the show did a poor job of explaining what was going on.

As to your other questions, I intentionally ignored them because it's a straw man.

Very very sick. Wow. Can’t explain your violent leftist views. Even regular people have become radicalized. Gotta remember, for those on the far-left, the violence of the left is now slowly becoming delusionally called for, condoned, and needed from members of government to sports stars to some dude on a toy forum now in order to advance their goals and deliver justice.
 
How can we have so many grow man who plays with political action figures but can't comprehend that everything is politics.

Lets not forget that Captain America and Superman were created by Jews as a political stand against facism.
Superman is even more explicit than Cap as he was originally conceived as Jewish (his dark hair and his Hebrew sounding birthname Kal-El, were intentional). His exploits were instinctively anti-fascist (he fought them in World War II and was even used in an effort to expose the evils of the Ku Klux Klan via a radio show in the 1940s).

Good points.

Maybe it's as simple as coming down to the writers/director/editing, which IMO can make or break a production.

Politics more or less have always been part of the MCU.

New writers, new showrunner; not my thing. Based on comments on YT and other places, plenty of folks like the series (one comment I read said the series was "masterfully done"). For myself, just because there's show about a favorite character doesn't mean it's good by default.
 
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