MARVEL' S Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[Sassafras]

1st - 100% dont watch FOX news. 2nd.. What did write that was incorrect. 3rd.. I have talked to people of color. I have people of color in my family. I worked with inner city youth for 15 years and worked along side African Americans who have said things far more bluntly then I ever thought of saying about Black people. I find most, like all people have different takes, feelings, and experiences and cant be lumped into one group.


Non of this changes how bad that speech was on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Some people liked it. I just felt bad for Anthony Mackie, who had to deliver it. The man's a Juilliard grad. Likely did the great dramas in school, Shakespeare, and so on.

Then u get forever associated with having to deliver a speech like that, wearing a costume that I don't think translated well to live action turkey neck.

 

[jal76]

1st - 100% dont watch FOX news. 2nd.. What did write that was incorrect. 3rd.. I have talked to people of color. I have people of color in my family. I worked with inner city youth for 15 years and worked along side African Americans who have said things far more bluntly then I ever thought of saying about Black people. I find most, like all people have different takes, feelings, and experiences and cant be lumped into one group.


Non of this changes how bad that speech was on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

I must say the whole post was pretty off base, but once you reach into the bag of imbalanced racial statistics about who is committing the violent crimes and who is or isn?t being killed the entire argument collapses under the weight of bad faith.
Those are far right talking points and intellectually dishonest dog whistles.

 

[TheDucky]

lol facts, stats, and numbers are racist now huh?

Educate me jal. Please take my ignorance away. I too wish tp ascend to moral superiority without backing my argument with any substance and use buzzwords and weak insults as a defense of my view.

 

[matticus]

JAWS is a big boy, if he needs your help I?m sure he?ll let you know bud.
I may not be a fan of his last post, but you thinking he needs you to defend him when he is more than capable is pretty funny.

I thought you didn't like people telling you what to think. Funny how that works...again. I don't know JAWS, he might be a little boy that is compensating with his choice of name.

 

[matticus]

lol facts, stats, and numbers are racist now huh?

Educate me jal. Please take my ignorance away. I too wish tp ascend to moral superiority without backing my argument with any substance and use buzzwords and weak insults as a defense of my view.

Lol stats and substance only matter if you don't have to cite them.

 

[TheDucky]

Funny that the main arguments and tone of the three far leftists in the thread are the exact same.

1. Assume sense of false moral superiority

2. Assume everyone is racists, dumb, watches fox news

3. Argument is non-existent and they repeat like NPC with a failure to debate the issues and statistics

 

[matticus]

Funny that the main arguments and tone of the three far leftists in the thread are the exact same.

1. Assume sense of false moral superiority

2. Assume everyone is racists, dumb, watches fox news

3. Argument is non-existent and they repeat like NPC with a failure to debate the issues and statistics

You know I wasn't a fan of your Snyder bashing, although some of it deservedly so, but I am slowly warming up to you

 

[jal76]

lol facts, stats, and numbers are racist now huh?

Educate me jal. Please take my ignorance away. I too wish tp ascend to moral superiority without backing my argument with any substance and use buzzwords and weak insults as a defense of my view.

Baseball bats aren?t inherently racist, but if you use them to terrorize people of another race then they become a problem.
Statistics are not racist, unless they are being used to prop up racist arguments.
That?s the only free lesson you get from me today, not my responsibility to educate you just because your parents and local school district failed to.

 

[Khev]

This terrible show doesn't deserve a thread so I'm glad this one will be closed soon, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Bring on The Eternals lol

 

[abake]

Oh goody, another Disney thread heading to lockdown!

I think most of us here agree with a lot of the ideas presented in TFATWS, but find the execution almost offensively bad.

I consider myself a liberal person, but I rolled my eyes and groaned at (new) Captain America's speech. It was silly, naive and poorly thought out. Karli and her crusade were also very poorly written. And there is no ****ing excuse for blowing up people and killing hostages. So, no, she didn't deserve a "tragic anti-hero" send-off. Walker could've been an interesting character: a career soldier, a proud man who believed in his country who loses sight of his own moral compass; but he ended up being a cartoon of the "bad white man". The only thing that I found half-way well written was Isaiah's story and its effect on Falcon, I thought that was a good acknowledgement of the U.S. military's bad track record with their non-white soldiers.

Now, none of this gets me "triggered", it's simply a show that fails to properly deliver on the tough topics it chose to tackle. That it also fails at some basic storytelling and inner logic is just unfortunate. Still, as a bit of mindless fun, it would harmless and entertaining, were it not for the fact that it tries to be intelligent and political...

 

[Wor-Gar]

Good post, abake.

People don't have to like bad storytelling just because its topic is important.

 

[Spartan Rex]

 

[Wor-Gar]

Is the Winter Soldier bi now?

 

[JAWS]

I must say the whole post was pretty off base, but once you reach into the bag of imbalanced racial statistics about who is committing the violent crimes and who is or isn?t being killed the entire argument collapses under the weight of bad faith.

My point is you don't hear the stories when the victims are another race especially if they are white. Thus the narrative just comes across as Cops are out to get blacks.. You have black leaders saying they are "hunting us"

I just look for crime statistics.. And see how they add up.. Its for my own curiosity and not because Fox news told me to. In this house CNN seems to be on the most and I tend to look up more of the story they are reporting because the slant there is obvious and thus they get no trust from me. I tend to not trust many media outlets unless they link to sources. I use to watch the Young Turks also but then Cenk got busted bitching about his employees trying to unionize and I just could not deal with his hypocrisy any longer

I do watch Ben Shapiro from time to time but I fact check on him also.

Now the following links are just examples of how the numbers go against the media's narrative that there is a racist problem in the police force and there is a Klansman on the corner of every street.

I know there is a deeper meaning behind these stats such as poverty, fatherless homes, gang violence etc...

Hear you go.. Written by a Black Author Police Kill Too Many Innocent People—White and Black | Time

Hear is the far from right NYT which supports part of your argument as well as mine Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

I dont know who Channel 4 news is FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime? – Channel 4 News

Another Black Journalist Black journalist: Race riots are based on a lie that white cops kill black men all the time (bizpacreview.com)

Not sure who this guy is but he posted a lot of FBI stats. (20) Leonydus Johnson (leave/me/alone) on Twitter: "For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed I'm going to keep tweeting this until someone can explain to me how this is possible if there is truly pervasive racial bias in policing" / Twitter

What happens when you throw all the police under the bus. Baltimore police stopped noticing crime. A wave of killings followed. (usatoday.com)

Those are far right talking points and intellectually dishonest dog whistles.

To be honest once you start talking about far right talking points and dog whistles kind of kills the discussion. I notice that seems to happen in a lot of debates... Hint at racism or flat out call the person a racist.. not saying that was your full intent but you should convince me with your ideas and stay away from those comments.

I could easily say you have been brainwashed by the left wing media... But that would lead to nowhere and I know you can think for yourself.

 

[JAWS]

The Falcon and The Winter Soldier

Bringing Khev and Ducky together for 6 weeks

 

[JAWS]

Baseball bats aren?t inherently racist, but if you use them to terrorize people of another race then they become a problem.
Statistics are not racist, unless they are being used to prop up racist arguments.
That?s the only free lesson you get from me today, not my responsibility to educate you just because your parents and local school district failed to.

Hmmmmmm Numbers are numbers.

Now I am not using said numbers to say anything about any race.

I am using numbers to show that the media pushes a narrative. They show one story when it meets its criteria and not the other when it does not.

You cant run around saying systematic racism unless you clear examples of how there are govt made laws in present day society to back up your statement.

I could post links to wrongful shootings by cops on whites but that's too morbid for here. But if I did my reason for dong so would just to be to show that these stories don't get covered accept by local news so you have to do some digging.

I could get into how many times the media gets the story wrong... "hands up dont shoot" never happened and yet I watched newscasters, athletes and celebs hold up their hands in protest. Again for something that didnt happen in a case where the officer was investigated multiple times and found he did nothing wrong.. Still... Media got a movement born out of it. Its great for ratings.



WTF am I getting into al of this..


The Speech sucked at the end of FAWS.. It was not natural and did not come across as a legit complaint from Sam. Nothing about his character except the color of his skin lead me to believe he would have such feelings. It just popped up in the final speech.. A speech that had more issues then just that one comment. It was a poorly done scene. Sam just proved he gets his opinion swayed easily.. Sometimes for the right reasons (Isiah) sometimes for the wrong (Flagsmashers)

 

[Spartan Rex]

Is the Winter Soldier bi now?

That was the implication from the scene about Buckys experience with on line dating app and seeing a lot of tigers in the profile picts.
And of course fuels those fan fiction theories about Steve and Bucky and now Sam. Gotta cover all the woke angles.
The writer didn’t deny it so we’ve got him to thank for that as well.
Nothing is sacred.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Bucky's a big bottom. I knew it! I'm telling mom!

 

[abake]

That was the implication from the scene about Buckys experience with on line dating app and seeing a lot of tigers in the profile picts.
And of course fuels those fan fiction theories about Steve and Bucky and now Sam. Gotta cover all the woke angles.
The writer didn’t deny it so we’ve got him to thank for that as well.
Nothing is sacred.

Damn, that got right past me...
Anyway, who cares, the man has a lot of lost time to make up, doubling the odds might not be a bad idea for him...