Marvel Studios/Sony - SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING

[pturtle]

You're underselling the greatness of the FoX-Men and it breaks my heart. Well actually you're underselling the greatness of Stryker. You need to go back and watch that movie and compare Stryker to every villain in the MCU. When was the last time you saw X2?

FoX has given us 2 Different Magneto's, Mystique and Stryker in less movies than the MCU. The McU's only good villain has been Loki in Thor 1. I don't see how that's a bias. I honestly don't think the consensus was that TWS was a great villain.


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[jye4ever]

Thanos will put an end to the whole MCU weak villain argument.

But for now yes Loki remains the best MCU villain followed by WS and RS.

As an MCU supporter I have no problem admitting that's their weakest element.

But Magneto is getting really tiresome about now.

 

[ShadowX81]

Can't believe that no one has mentioned Kilgrave yet. I thought he was one of Marvel's best villians and easily the best part of "Jessica Jones".

 

[pturtle]

We were talking strictly the movies, but if we brought the Netflix shows into this then:

Magneto > Fassneto >>> Mystique > Kingpin >>>>Loki >>>>TWS


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You're underselling the greatness of the FoX-Men and it breaks my heart. Well actually you're underselling the greatness of Stryker. You need to go back and watch that movie and compare Stryker to every villain in the MCU. When was the last time you saw X2?

FoX has given us 2 Different Magneto's, Mystique and Stryker in less movies than the MCU. The McU's only good villain has been Loki in Thor 1. I don't see how that's a bias. I honestly don't think the consensus was that TWS was a great villain.


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I remember Stryker perfectly.

Good acting. He's ok. Wife killed by Mutant = hates mutants

Zemmo's family killed by heroes = hates heroes

Fox has done more than just X Men in 17 years.

10 Xmen

3 F4

Dare devil

Elektra

Yes, MCU has giving us more films in less time, which is probably one of the reasons why the have trouble with the villains, because they are focusing on the heroes. Still, I don't think Fox has done anything impressive with the villains.

I prefer Magneto and the X Men films over everything in the MCU, but I'm not blind to what the MCU has been able to accomplish.

And MCU Loki is more culturally relevant and iconic than Magneto.

You're right about TDKT. Those 3 films puts both FOX and MCU to shame with just 3 films, but it's Batman's rogue gallery, so that's tough to beat.

I don't think ZOD from MOS is better than Loki or TWS. He's not even better than the original Zod.

 

[pturtle]

Thanos will put an end to the whole MCU weak villain argument.

But for now yes Loki remains the best MCU villain followed by WS and RS.

As an MCU supporter I have no problem admitting that's their weakest element.

But Magneto is getting really tiresome about now.

I thought Hugo Weaving gave a great performance but that character was extremely underused and not very fleshed out.

I also don't think he has any memorable scenes in the movie, and his final fight with Cap was extremely anticlimactic.


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[SNIKT1950]

Ant-Man spends more time dealing with the repercussions of Scott Lang's criminal record as a non-violent thief than FoXMen do with Magneto's mass-murdering rampages.

Apocalypse was mediocre. Ant-Man was garbage.

 

[DiFabio]

Thanos will put an end to the whole MCU weak villain argument.

That's what everyone said three years ago with Ultron, look how that turned out.



He could offer much lolz depending on how badly they handle him.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

We were talking strictly the movies, but if we brought the Netflix shows into this then:

Magneto > Fassneto >>> Mystique > Kingpin >>>>Loki >>>>TWS

 

[YoNoSe]

Apocalypse was mediocre. Ant-Man was garbage.

Great retort!

 

[jye4ever]

We were talking strictly the movies, but if we brought the Netflix shows into this then:

Magneto > Fassneto >>> Mystique > Kingpin >>>>Loki >>>>TWS


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Oh wait, if we can include the Netflix shows then sorry Fox but you're Magneto is no longer at the top of the superhero villain food chain.

 

[SNIKT1950]

That's what everyone said three years ago with Ultron, look how that turned out.



He could offer much lolz depending on how badly they handle him.



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If they **** up Thanos I'm done. Still bought opening night tickets to GOTG2 and will do the same for all the movies leading up to IW, but if IW sucks and Thanos is part of that suckage that's a wrap for me and the MCU.

 

[DiFabio]

I will say this though, the Nolan universe smokes both the FoX-Men franchise and MCU in terms of villains.

This is probably where me and Difabio argue

You'll hear no argument from me. I think Bane and Scarecrow are ****ing lame as hell, but they're way more iconic than any of the Marvel villains. Bane especially.


In fact, all the Batman films have had iconic villains when I think about it. Burton, Schumacher and Nolan. I'd say the exception is Luthor, but even then, that weird performance was atleast something when you compare him to the generic nobodies from the last five Marvel movies. DINGDINGDINGDINGDING

 

[DFanatic]

We were talking strictly the movies, but if we brought the Netflix shows into this then:

Magneto > Fassneto >>> Mystique > Kingpin >>>>Loki >>>>TWS

 

[pturtle]

I remember Stryker perfectly.

Good acting. He's ok. Wife killed by Mutant = hates mutants

Zemmo's family killed by heroes = hates heroes

Fox has done more than just X Men in 17 years.

10 Xmen

3 F4

Dare devil

Elektra

Yes, MCU has giving us more films in less time, which is probably one of the reasons why the have trouble with the villains, because they are focusing on the heroes. Still, I don't think Fox has done anything impressive with the villains.

I prefer Magneto and the X Men films over everything in the MCU, but I'm not blind to what the MCU has been able to accomplish.

And MCU Loki is more culturally relevant and iconic than Magneto.

You're right about TDKT. Those 3 films puts both FOX and MCU with just 3 films, but it's Batman's rogue gallery, so that's tough to beat.

I don't think ZOD from MOS is better than Loki or TWS. He's not even better than the original Zod.

Stryker wife killed my a mutant, that happens to be his son, that's a pretty big difference.

I'm specifically talking FoX-Men though. That's been their only successful superhero franchise.

Terrance Stamp Zod is more iconic than every MCU villain though

I don't know if Loki is more culturally relevant than Fassneto, if he is it's probably because the teenage girls love Hiddleston.

I would put Loki above Zod, but not TWS, not even close actually. I would put Green Goblin and Doc Ock over every MCU villain as well including Loki.

I'm not blind to what the MCU has accomplished either, I've said it many times that the big cohesive universe they've built is admirable, but it's also limiting the quality of their films.

Oh and I forgot a villain, whoever Mads Mikkelson played in Doctor Strange, he was so forgettable I can't remember his name either.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Oh wait, if we can include the Netflix shows then sorry Fox but you're Magneto is no longer at the top of the superhero villain food chain.

He's still a top villain....but to say Mystique is better than Kingpin, Loki, and TWS is ludicrous.

Pure fanboy talk.

Nothing wrong with it, but you can't argue with fanatics.

 

[pturtle]

He's still a top villain....but to say Mystique is better than Kingpin, Loki, and TWS is ludicrous.

Pure fanboy talk.

Nothing wrong with it, but you can't argue with fanatics.

See here's the thing

I know deep down in my heart she's a better villain in every way, maybe not better than Kingpin but if I'm not being biased and I'm taking everything into account, then Yea she wouldn't be above Kingpin or Loki just based on relevance.

She's definitely ahead of TWS, I don't see how he's a better villain than she is.

Rewatch X2, I can tell it's been a while for you, comeback and let's talk. You'll admit that Stryker is a better villain than every one in the MCU and we can end this debate.

 

[DiFabio]

Which Stryker are we talking about? If it's the ones in Origins, DOFP, and Apocalypse, eh, I can't agree. They were lame.


But if we're talking the old fat ****, William "I was piloting black-ops missions in the jungles of North Vietnam when you were suckin' on your mama's *** at Woodstock" Stryker, well then I'm in full agreement. He's superb. He almost singlehandedly killed every stinkin' mutant in the world.

 

[pturtle]

Yea, I'm only speaking Brian Cox's Stryker here. Obviously Clown Prince isn't going to give him the the respect he deserves because he doesn't have powers or a costume but if he freed his mind, he'd see, just like Rogue what a great character Stryker was in X2 and how important he was to the story.


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[YoNoSe]

Stryker is a good movie villain. Great performance and believable agenda with the resources to pursue it.

He's comparable to Zemo but way more presence and a more straightforward story. But I also enjoy Zemo's mystery and the gut punch he pulls off in the climax.

I only remember Stryker being chained to something and yelling at Wolverine? Does he die in the flood?