Marvel's The Black Panther

[Victοr]

Speaking of Wakanda's Tech... All the tech from Vibranium is just stupid... Is there anything that this meteor rock can't do??

Could it do all of that in the comics?

Does Wakanda in the Comics revolve it's Tech around it?

I only know it from Cap's shield.​

Vibranium is pretty much "Deus Ex Machina: Metal Edition". It honestly gets pretty tiring after a while. Truth be told, 616 BP is one of the true legit Gary Stus. He's neck and neck with Bat-God.

 

[ironwez20]

Lmfao. I don’t know why this is so funny.

 

[chewblacca]

And a man can really create an armored suit that can fly, freeze people to live forever, wings that can make someone fly, a spider bite can give someone powers, a radioactive bomb can turn someone huge green and powerful, a serum can turn a small guy into a super soldier, there really are magical gods in space, science can really shrink people down to ant size but you can still beat up people,and if you study hard enough you too can cast spells that refill beer glasses. Does any of it all make sense?

 

[abake]

Saw it yesterday with my kids.
Surprisingly, there wasn't anything I really disliked about this movie. Usually, Marvel movies find ways to irritate me, but there wasn't any one thing that really bothered me in this.
I didn't like the music much. It sounded just too disney-y to me. Like one of those OSTs that is trying too hard to sound serious. Also, the CGI backgrounds at the waterfalls looked pretty dodgy. But that was about it.
All the "real world" problems were handled in the usual light, inconsequential MCU manner, but I thought they were handled well.
A lot was talked about Wakanda itself, the country and city being almost a character in themselves, but I thought it wasn't all that grand. I feel it could've been explored a bit more. As it was, it felt like one of those old sound stage movies, very confined to a couple of sets. What little there was, however, was pretty good.
Photography was nice, better than the usual washed-out, unimaginative MCU fare.
I liked the female elite guard, I thought that was nicely done. Is that part of the comics? Some of the rituals and dances felt a bit too reminiscent of old Tarzan movies though. My kids thought they were cringe-worthy. The gorilla-Chieftain was cringe-worthy...
As for Boseman, he's alright, but I didn't feel he was that regal. I hope he grows more into the role.
All in all, one of the better MCU films, but I'm still in no hurry to see it again.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Yeah, the Dora Milaje are cannon

 

[Spartan Rex]

Makes sense to me, I confer "Canon" status on thee:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheorie...the_mcu_captain_americas_super_soldier_serum/

 

[Darkseed]

Finally the sequel to The Lion King complete with monkey people ......

Walking Dead chick has odd shaped head otherwise a good, solid flick.

I enjoyed T Challa. KillM message rather clear buuut when done well it’s less distracting than the message in Sta Wurs.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Not me. Love CW. If people aren't into a film or see things differently *shrug*. Not everyone loved CW or BP...I mean without even seeing BP while some are finding the colonizer stuff funny, to me it's irritating taking a shot at another race when every other MCU film has fallen over itself to be diverse. But that kind of thing was OK here.

And that's just one thing. I get it. Whether I enjoy that or a POW torture victim soldier or professional being referred to as a "broke white boy", or the fact that apparently a character ends up as he does (Zuri) when I was really looking forward to lots of him, or overlook CGI gone amuck or the use (even fake) of an endangered species in a battle, or can get around a main story that doesn't grab me and just get captivated by some of the performances, I dunno.

At least for me at the moment, there's not enough to motivate a theater trip. Seriously even what I've read about Killmonger's choices bothers me, not to mention that line about his ancestors. (His well off, protected ancestors?)

But plenty have posted they are re-seeing this; my ticket money won't be missed. To me tho it justs sounds like Coogler was doing his thing. Just happened to be able to do it with Marvel's money - and re being a lead in to IW it doesn't matter whether you've seen it or not.

I thought killmonger was vengeful over the ancestors on his mother's side, not the wakandan ancestry from his royal bloodline. But the wakandans could have helped--from his point of view.

I think this is a good article about him.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/02/black-panther-erik-killmonger/553805/

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[ironwez20]

Finally the sequel to The Lion King complete with monkey people ......

Walking Dead chick has odd shaped head otherwise a good, solid flick.

I enjoyed T Challa. KillM message rather clear buuut when done well it’s less distracting than the message in Sta Wurs.

Monkey people?

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Monkey people?

I think he meant the mountain tribe?

 

[Darkseed]

I think he meant the mountain tribe?

Yup...they were monkey worshipers so I thought

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I feel like there's this interesting rift between the preferred T'challa personality.

Everybody loved him in civil war because through most of it, he was rash, vengeful and bloodlusted. He was a total badass, true, but in comics he's usually never that blinded by rage but more methodical, stoic, patient and humorless.

I thought he was fine coming into a situation so much bigger than himself. He was regal but the moment he got on the throne Klaw shows up, killmonger shows up, the inconvenient truth comes out. This isn't the hardened king T'challa yet. This is still a man coming into his own and trying to make up for past sins of a king and father that he viewed as perfection.

He clearly felt partially guilty for killmonger's rage and I don't think he even was fighting him without being held back the first time. That's still family. The dude has had it rough. And now just mere months later, the country that never faced a real threat of invasion has thanos knocking on its door?

Bump that.




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[Victοr]

I liked the female elite guard, I thought that was nicely done. Is that part of the comics? .

They're teenage wives-in-training.

Finally the sequel to The Lion King complete with monkey people ......

Sup HP?

Spoiler

BASED Lovecraft was, unironically, right.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I feel like there's this interesting rift between the preferred T'challa personality.

Everybody loved him in civil war because through most of it, he was rash, vengeful and bloodlusted. He was a total badass

Had he taken out Zemo, then yes. He didn't though.

But that's part of what makes CW such a fail. Not one character was given teeth. Like Magneto gloriously executing Shaw in FC, BP executing Zemo in CW or at least allowing him to blow his brains out would have given the movie some semblance of gravitas and would have been the most memorable occurrence in the picture. Instead, like everything else in the movie, it was of no consequence.

T'Challa had teeth in BP. Not in CW.

 

[Sassafras]

Had he taken out Zemo, then yes. He didn't though.

But that's part of what makes CW such a fail. Not one character was given teeth. Like Magneto gloriously executing Shaw in FC, BP executing Zemo in CW or at least allowing him to blow his brains out would have given the movie some semblance of gravitas and would have been the most memorable occurrence in the picture. Instead, like everything else in the movie, it was of no consequence.

T'Challa had teeth in BP. Not in CW.

Different strokes. Me, I think that was one of CW's perfect scenes. Perfectly done. Cut like a fine stone. Just perfect. And it told me volumes about this man T'challa who really had come from a different perspective; was neither friend nor fan of the Avengers. It's one thing to watch a character do the "I shall avenge my father thing" tho that's badass. And basically be telling any other authority to go **** themselves. It's another to see a man look into the pain-driven madness of another and change gears. That was epic. And IMO it was also RIGHT because T'challa would've also had to assimilate the fact that he hadn't been acting like a king, exactly (although Wakanda might have thought his actions to be the what a dutiful son does) being on a vengeance quest - and not only is it the wrong person, he'd have to have seen that chair and the bodies and cryo tubes - that place was a hellhole (even if the movie doesn't make a point about it).

Also technically it's a nice contrast to the stuff going on in the building at the time. IMO it's T'challa's finest moment in CW. Awesome Russos weaving that together with a great script.


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I thought killmonger was vengeful over the ancestors on his mother's side, not the wakandan ancestry from his royal bloodline. But the wakandans could have helped--from his point of view.

I think this is a good article about him.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...monger/553805/

That was a good article, thanx for the link. I stand corrected if in fact Killmonger has other ancestry than royal/well-off e.g. I'd have to read more or see the movie. Not sure Wakanda has royals? the way other cultures do by bloodline. Because if you can be deposed by combat; I'd assume the family is no "royal" any longer either. Still, like any society I'd assume there are gonna be those with "more stuff" than others.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Different strokes. Me, I think that was one of CW's perfect scenes. Perfectly done. Cut like a fine stone. Just perfect. And it told me volumes about this man T'challa who really had come from a different perspective; was neither friend nor fan of the Avengers. It's one thing to watch a character do the "I shall avenge my father thing" tho that's badass. And basically be telling any other authority to go **** themselves. It's another to see a man look into the pain-driven madness of another and change gears. That was epic. And IMO it was also RIGHT because T'challa would've also had to assimilate the fact that he hadn't been acting like a king, exactly (although Wakanda might have thought his actions to be the what a dutiful son does) being on a vengeance quest - and not only is it the wrong person, he'd have to have seen that chair and the bodies and cryo tubes - that place was a hellhole (even if the movie doesn't make a point about it).

Also technically it's a nice contrast to the stuff going on in the building at the time. IMO it's T'challa's finest moment in CW. Awesome Russos weaving that together with a great script.


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That was a good article, thanx for the link. I stand corrected if in fact Killmonger has other ancestry than royal/well-off e.g. I'd have to read more or see the movie. Not sure Wakanda has royals? the way other cultures do by bloodline. Because if you can be deposed by combat; I'd assume the family is no "royal" any longer either. Still, like any society I'd assume there are gonna be those with "more stuff" than others.

That's a good question and one that may get muddled between movie and comic. But the way I understand it is if the king of wakanda has children, they are naturally in-line to rule. But I believe in the comics there is an annual challenge day where anybody can challenge for the throne.

In the comics, interestingly, T'challa didn't rule right after his father's murder at the hands of Klaw. His uncle was actually black panther between them.

Also, if I remember correctly, certain families are more immune to the toxins of the heart-shaped herb. I think these are traditionally looked up to as the more "royal" families with rich generations of panther warriors in their history. Killmonger couldn't ingest the herb in the comics they had to find him an alternative herb outside wakanda that conveniently had the same perks lol.

Glad you liked the article. I like the part where it says killmonger win the argument. Interesting accomplishment for a marvel villain.

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[Khev]

Saw this tonight. It had a lot of likable characters played well by their respective actors but alas I found it to be an overly long "filler" movie that did little to increase my excitement for Infinity War, if anything it has somewhat diminished my excitement.

A lot of Wakanda reminded me of Naboo and the tribal sequences often had a silly King Kong/Cool Runnings vibe to them. The final battle was fun in parts but pretty "Narnia-esque" in how tame the violence was. T'Challa quoting Hillary Clinton's "we build bridges not walls/barriers" slogan was not appreciated. I *never* want to hear her words coming out of the lips of any superhero that I'm supposed to root for.

But all in all the movie was decent enough for a single viewing. I don't see myself making any effort to watch it all the way through again though.

 

[Victοr]

That's honestly cute. Kitties, and other domestic animals, getting new homes is always great.



But because I'm a ****, have some Instagram cringe:

 

[ShadowX81]

Had he taken out Zemo, then yes. He didn't though.

But that's part of what makes CW such a fail. Not one character was given teeth. Like Magneto gloriously executing Shaw in FC, BP executing Zemo in CW or at least allowing him to blow his brains out would have given the movie some semblance of gravitas and would have been the most memorable occurrence in the picture. Instead, like everything else in the movie, it was of no consequence.

T'Challa had teeth in BP. Not in CW.

He didn't kill anyone in BP either.

His while arc in CW was that bloodlust vengeance is an empty pursuit that corrupts your soul, and he could just as satisfyingly get justice for his father without becoming what he hated.

Not everyone has to die to give a film "teeth".