Marvel's The Black Panther

[jye4ever]

Yeah forget that stupid glove just eat some vibranium lol

Now do only Wakandan see ghosts or can any person who eats that see their ancestors?

Does it work for whites and asians lol

 

[EVILFACE]

Naw, Black Privilege.

White boy ghosts want to kill and scare.

 

[Thomascrown17]

Debate time. What benefitted more box office wise? Black Panther for being the last movie before IW or IM 3 for being the first movie after Avengers. Bonus points for not bringing up race and or “cultural impact” lol


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[EVILFACE]

Removing cultural impact from BP would be like removing RDJ from IM3.

 

[Neal136]

It doesn’t matter. BP has the superhero royal flush. Rich, expert fighter, superpowered salad, most advance tech, an army, battle cat rhinos, spine pills, ghost therapy, cool cars...you name it.

This may have been mentioned already, and probably belongs in the Infinity War thread, but does anyone think that perhaps Wakanda's advanced tech/vibranium healing powers will fix Rhodey's spine? We seem him fighting in Wakanda in the trailer. I realize that Tony's tech coupled with the suit could allow him to be effective, but maybe they'll heal him first?

 

[jye4ever]

BP just wiped out any accomplishments WB had going with WW.

WB ONLY good thing they had going for themselves gone.

Sexy skinny white woman trying to act tough defeated by tough bald black woman lol

BP 1 billion, JL didn’t even break even that hurt to even write lol

Justice freaking League beat by BP Jesus H.

IW just got a HUGE BOOST!

Feige is a titan.

Feige for POTUS.

 

[The Ween]

BP just wiped out any accomplishments WB had going with WW.

WB ONLY good thing they had going for themselves gone.

Sexy skinny white woman trying to act tough defeated by tough bald black woman lol

BP 1 billion, JL didn’t even break even that hurt to even write lol

Justice freaking League beat by BP Jesus H.

IW just got a HUGE BOOST!

Feige is a titan.

Feige for POTUS.

Haven't you been reading? Jewish people aren't white.

 

[jye4ever]

I would’ve been honored if Trump banged my wife but now no longer after BP success she belongs to Feige!

Hell Coogler, MBJ and Boseman too why not.

 

[YoNoSe]

Haven't you been reading? Jewish people aren't white.

Oh man. I definitely have some tribe in me. What box do I check now?!

 

[jye4ever]

Sandra Bullock interview:

While on the red carpet at the 90th Annual Academy Awards, the Oscar-winning actress gushed about the film during an interview with Access Hollywood and explained how the movie moved her as a mother.

“I started to cry backstage when I was telling [the 'Black Panther' cast not only] how much the film meant to me as a woman, but how much it meant to me as a mother,” she said.

Bullock, who is mother to her two adoptive children, Louis and Lalia, went on to explain that African American leads in films such as "Panther" have helped to impact her children's lives in the smallest, but most pivotal ways.

“I’m so grateful to Marvel because about five years ago, my son asked me if there were any brown Legos,” the actress said. “And I said, ‘Yes, there are,’ and I got a Sharpie and I turned Spider-Man brown, I turned the Legos brown, and I don’t have to turn them brown anymore.”

“That says a lot about where we are in this world, and in the world of superheroes," the star added.

And while Bullock's kids are fans of the "Black Panther" comic character and know of the film, the actress admitted that they are still too young to see the film's more intense fight scenes.

"It's a little - the stabbing I was afraid - but I think [Louis] is OK. My daughter - heck no. She'll stab my son after she sees it. But I think Lou is about in another year because it won't scare him anymore," Bullock explained. "But I bought my daughter all the swag, she runs around in the Black Panther mask, which is scary when she comes out of the dark."

 

[thecapn]

Debate time. What benefitted more box office wise? Black Panther for being the last movie before IW or IM 3 for being the first movie after Avengers. Bonus points for not bringing up race and or “cultural impact” lol


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Interesting question. It's the only reason I saw either one, TBH; I've never much cared for Iron Man, but was on an Avengers high afterwards, and probably would've waited for the home release for BP if it wasn't for IW coming before that...

I'd say BP, just because I'd bet there are a lot of people who would've skipped it, especially internationally, if not for IW coming. Iron Man, for reasons I have never understood, seems to have a pretty big following regardless.

 

[thecapn]

FFS, can we all at least agree that this was a good film in that it didn't treat its characters like total jokes ala Wreck-narok and for not being completely dull and forgettable like Dorktor Strange? I mean come on, you've gotta give Coogler some credit for adding real suspense.

I definitely think it's as good as CW. But CW felt like a mess to me. It's gotten better with repeated viewings, but I definitely left the theater disappointed. Doctor strange was forgettable for sure. But Ragnarok was pretty great, even if it poured on the humor thicker than I would've liked. But it was a really enjoyable film. I'd rank it higher than BP.

As far as suspense? I don't think there was really much of that. Maybe if T'Challa was DOA for longer and we saw more horrible things under Killmonger in the meantime (which is why I still feel like the Killmonger storyline deserved it's own movie apart from the origin story).

 

[Khev]

Sandra Bullock interview:

While on the red carpet at the 90th Annual Academy Awards, the Oscar-winning actress gushed about the film during an interview with Access Hollywood and explained how the movie moved her as a mother.

“I started to cry backstage when I was telling [the 'Black Panther' cast not only] how much the film meant to me as a woman, but how much it meant to me as a mother,” she said.

Bullock, who is mother to her two adoptive children, Louis and Lalia, went on to explain that African American leads in films such as "Panther" have helped to impact her children's lives in the smallest, but most pivotal ways.

“I’m so grateful to Marvel because about five years ago, my son asked me if there were any brown Legos,” the actress said. “And I said, ‘Yes, there are,’ and I got a Sharpie and I turned Spider-Man brown, I turned the Legos brown, and I don’t have to turn them brown anymore.”

“That says a lot about where we are in this world, and in the world of superheroes," the star added.

And while Bullock's kids are fans of the "Black Panther" comic character and know of the film, the actress admitted that they are still too young to see the film's more intense fight scenes.

"It's a little - the stabbing I was afraid - but I think [Louis] is OK. My daughter - heck no. She'll stab my son after she sees it. But I think Lou is about in another year because it won't scare him anymore," Bullock explained. "But I bought my daughter all the swag, she runs around in the Black Panther mask, which is scary when she comes out of the dark."

For decades Lego figures were yellow. To think of all the joy I was denied on account of my mother not coloring the damn things white.

 

[jye4ever]

I posted the same thing then deleted it when I realized she was referring to the correctly colored costumed heroes and not the yellow ones lol

Didn’t Lego release a Blade figure

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Sandra Bullock interview:

While on the red carpet at the 90th Annual Academy Awards, the Oscar-winning actress gushed about the film during an interview with Access Hollywood and explained how the movie moved her as a mother.

“I started to cry backstage when I was telling [the 'Black Panther' cast not only] how much the film meant to me as a woman, but how much it meant to me as a mother,” she said.

Bullock, who is mother to her two adoptive children, Louis and Lalia, went on to explain that African American leads in films such as "Panther" have helped to impact her children's lives in the smallest, but most pivotal ways.

“I’m so grateful to Marvel because about five years ago, my son asked me if there were any brown Legos,” the actress said. “And I said, ‘Yes, there are,’ and I got a Sharpie and I turned Spider-Man brown, I turned the Legos brown, and I don’t have to turn them brown anymore.”

“That says a lot about where we are in this world, and in the world of superheroes," the star added.

And while Bullock's kids are fans of the "Black Panther" comic character and know of the film, the actress admitted that they are still too young to see the film's more intense fight scenes.

"It's a little - the stabbing I was afraid - but I think [Louis] is OK. My daughter - heck no. She'll stab my son after she sees it. But I think Lou is about in another year because it won't scare him anymore," Bullock explained. "But I bought my daughter all the swag, she runs around in the Black Panther mask, which is scary when she comes out of the dark."

Poor Finn.

Watch SW make him a Jedi now.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

For decades Lego figures were yellow. To think of all the joy I was denied on account of my mother not coloring the damn things white.

Only Asians knew the true joy of Legos.

 

[Sassafras]

Debate time. What benefitted more box office wise? Black Panther for being the last movie before IW or IM 3 for being the first movie after Avengers. Bonus points for not bringing up race and or “cultural impact” lol


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Black Panther. IMO by IM3 the Iron Man character was hugely popular thanks in no small part to RDJ. Plus other cast that had a popular response (I didn't cry when Howard got the boot for being a greedy '$@*&%). Plus the IM suits.

Sorry, gotta bring up the culture stuff...
Thought about this a lot when people complained Marvel wasn't diverse enough soon enough which IMO is irritatingly unfair. This is a business. Marvel had sold off a bunch of rights to characters and there was a time they weren't doing that great. The MCU succeeded with IM and cautiously rebuilt using popular characters they had rights to. That takes time.

BP is not Spiderman, Batman, or Wonder Woman. IMO like Antman he's getting a huge film introduction into an already successful franchise e.g. there is a lot of good will ahead of time. That's why I get POd if people say Marvel hasn't done enough. A business isn't a charity. Would anyone have cared much if Universal Studios had introduced BP as a total stand alone?

Captain Marvel is gonna get a good will boost too re IW2. Anyway I would have gone to see ANY Marvel film before IW - any character - until I found out BP really didn't lead to IW. IF not, it's like you are doing a stand alone MCU movie. But sure, the IW/MCU connection helped get people in the door. There were people going to BP who still expected to see Cap, Bucky, other Avengers in BP. E.g., the MCU connection. Right now any character Marvel introduces is gonna benefit.

 

[thecapn]

You know, it's funny how the perception of color works. I've been really sitting here thinking about it over the last couple of days since seeing BP. I didn't know if it was appropriate to take the conversation here, but it seems like it's been going there from time to time anyway, so here goes.

I am white. I grew up in Prince George's County in the 'burbs of Washington, DC, which is pretty well known for being the wealthiest majority-black county in all of the U.S. Wikipedia says that the 2010 census shows it to be 65% black, 19% white, but in my experience, the whites generally live in a few "pockets" in the county, which I did not. In my graduating class in high school of 300 or so kids, I was one of - IIRC - <10 white kids. For those wondering why my parents decided to stay there in the midst of "white flight," the reason was simply because my grandparents decided not to move, and my Dad felt a duty to be close to them in case of an emergency as they got older.

I was the target of racial jokes and insults quite often. Routinely, even by kids I was "cool" with - I was called their "cracker," or "white n*****", or something of that nature. I stood out in class, at the store, at the supermarket. For most of my youth, I didn't get civil rights. WTF? Black people are so downtrodden? Looked like they were doing pretty damn well to me, riding around in their Mercedes while I was driving a 15-year old minivan, and constantly complaining about bad treatment. Yeah, there were mostly white people on TV or in movies, but that felt like a fantasy. So I think that I have, perhaps, a bit of a unique perspective on racial issues.

It took a long time - and moving to a more diverse area - to realize that I grew up in an odd sort of bubble, and that yeah, blacks are not as represented in media as whites. But at the same time, I think sometimes that people perceive racism where none exists as an excuse for their own problems. If my youth taught me anything, it's that black people are just as capable of being lawyers, doctors, etc as anyone else if you try. There are quite a few folks I went to high school with who became successful businessmen, doctors, and engineers.

I guess the point I'm getting at is that, while I understand that there are places in this country where racism toward blacks is very much alive - the recent election and it's aftermath definitely taught us that - I don't think its as bad in general as some people would have it seem. Am I all for a black superhero? Sure, why not? But let's look at the facts:

Marvel 'cinematic heroes' list, for now (this may not be quite complete, this is just IMHO):
Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Valkyrie
War Machine
Falcon
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Black Panther
Hulk
Loki
Gamora
Drax
Star-Lord
Groot
Rocket
Nebula
Mantis
Yondu
Ant-Man
Nick Fury
Maria Hill
Dr. Strange
Spider-Man

Again, that's an IMHO list. Do Heimdall or Pepper deserve to be on there? I dunno. Quicksilver's there, but should he be? I dunno.

Ok, Wikipedia (again) says that as of the most recent census, the U.S. is 73.6% white, 12.6% black.

Of the list above (27 total), there are 6 played by black actors (War Machine, Valkyrie, Falcon, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Gamora). 18 are white (though they're of different ethnicities, but most of the time people call anyone light-skinned "white", which always grinds my gears, but whatever). There are 2 that wouldn't fit into either of those categories (Mantis, Drax), and then there's Vin Diesel (Groot), who has stated that 'he considers himself a person of color', but I don't know how to register that.

The percentages? 67% White. 22% Black. Is that lopsided? Sure it is. But it's actually a fairly realistic representation of the population of the U.S. If there's anyone who has reason to be pissed, or want their own here, it's really Asians - who make up so much of the global market - who should really be complaining of lopsided treatment.

OK, so you could make the argument that until BP, there was no black "headliner," but seriously, the representation isn't an issue. I'd argue that Nick Fury was just as much of a headliner in The Avengers as the rest, and T'Challa played a bigger role than most in CW. Why color your LEGOs?

 

[Sassafras]

This may have been mentioned already, and probably belongs in the Infinity War thread, but does anyone think that perhaps Wakanda's advanced tech/vibranium healing powers will fix Rhodey's spine? We seem him fighting in Wakanda in the trailer. I realize that Tony's tech coupled with the suit could allow him to be effective, but maybe they'll heal him first?

*Sourly* why not with T'challa's magic balls. (I'm slightly bitter 'coz always thought it'd be a lot more interesting if Tony was the one who fixed Bucky vs. Mary Sue I mean Shuri. Tho who can say what will happen in IW2.) Anyway tho re IW trailer Tony meets DS so I am gonna *assume* DS or Wong heals Rhodey because it will be an all hands on deck scenario. DS made a point of mentioning someone with a spine injury in "experimental armor" who was military etc.

 

[Sassafras]

You know, it's funny how the perception of color works. I've been really sitting here thinking about it over the last couple of days since seeing BP. I didn't know if it was appropriate to take the conversation here, but it seems like it's been going there from time to time anyway, so here goes.

I am white. I grew up in Prince George's County in the 'burbs of Washington, DC, which is pretty well known for being the wealthiest majority-black county in all of the U.S. Wikipedia says that the 2010 census shows it to be 65% black, 19% white, but in my experience, the whites generally live in a few "pockets" in the county, which I did not. In my graduating class in high school of 300 or so kids, I was one of - IIRC - <10 white kids. For those wondering why my parents decided to stay there in the midst of "white flight," the reason was simply because my grandparents decided not to move, and my Dad felt a duty to be close to them in case of an emergency as they got older.

I was the target of racial jokes and insults quite often. Routinely, even by kids I was "cool" with - I was called their "cracker," or "white n*****", or something of that nature. I stood out in class, at the store, at the supermarket. For most of my youth, I didn't get civil rights. WTF? Black people are so downtrodden? Looked like they were doing pretty damn well to me, riding around in their Mercedes while I was driving a 15-year old minivan, and constantly complaining about bad treatment. Yeah, there were mostly white people on TV or in movies, but that felt like a fantasy. So I think that I have, perhaps, a bit of a unique perspective on racial issues.

It took a long time - and moving to a more diverse area - to realize that I grew up in an odd sort of bubble, and that yeah, blacks are not as represented in media as whites. But at the same time, I think sometimes that people perceive racism where none exists as an excuse for their own problems. If my youth taught me anything, it's that black people are just as capable of being lawyers, doctors, etc as anyone else if you try. There are quite a few folks I went to high school with who became successful businessmen, doctors, and engineers.

I guess the point I'm getting at is that, while I understand that there are places in this country where racism toward blacks is very much alive - the recent election and it's aftermath definitely taught us that - I don't think its as bad in general as some people would have it seem. Am I all for a black superhero? Sure, why not? But let's look at the facts:

Marvel 'cinematic heroes' list, for now (this may not be quite complete, this is just IMHO):
Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Valkyrie
War Machine
Falcon
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Black Panther
Hulk
Loki
Gamora
Drax
Star-Lord
Groot
Rocket
Nebula
Mantis
Yondu
Ant-Man
Nick Fury
Maria Hill
Dr. Strange
Spider-Man

Again, that's an IMHO list. Do Heimdall or Pepper deserve to be on there? I dunno. Quicksilver's there, but should he be? I dunno.

Ok, Wikipedia (again) says that as of the most recent census, the U.S. is 73.6% white, 12.6% black.

Of the list above (27 total), there are 6 played by black actors (War Machine, Valkyrie, Falcon, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Gamora). 18 are white (though they're of different ethnicities, but most of the time people call anyone light-skinned "white", which always grinds my gears, but whatever). There are 2 that wouldn't fit into either of those categories (Mantis, Drax), and then there's Vin Diesel (Groot), who has stated that 'he considers himself a person of color', but I don't know how to register that.

The percentages? 67% White. 22% Black. Is that lopsided? Sure it is. But it's actually a fairly realistic representation of the population of the U.S. If there's anyone who has reason to be pissed, or want their own here, it's really Asians - who make up so much of the global market - who should really be complaining of lopsided treatment.

OK, so you could make the argument that until BP, there was no black "headliner," but seriously, the representation isn't an issue. I'd argue that Nick Fury was just as much of a headliner in The Avengers as the rest, and T'Challa played a bigger role than most in CW. Why color your LEGOs?

Just sayin' familiar with that part of the country. Yep. Definiitely lots of well off black people East coast. South too in certain areas. Also the military there - lots of government; lots of bases like Quantico. So screaming "injustice" doesn't necessarily compute when you see a lot of black people who are way richer than your parents or who are officers or running government offices. Statisically re education etc. there still seems to be issues. So dunno when what I've seen is whole lot of comfortable black people. But I get on a bus and it's mostly black people and Hispanic.

Yeah, I didn't consider Fury to be NOT a lead; he's a badass. Falcon is a favorite of mine and I've read articles where he's dismissed as a house ******. In the end, the apparent need? from some I guess to have a black lead who was MORE than anyone just tired me out. Just became part of the IMO alienating overhype of this film.
Can't wait for the first Asian-Hispanic gay goddess super-heroine - Marvel is really blowing it casting Larsen as Captain Marvel