Matt Damon Rips Palin

[barbelith]

As I said, I am puzzled by the fact that you applauded barbelith's attempt to equate belief in the creation with belief that the world is flat. His (bigoted) premise is that both are antiquated, primitive beliefs that have been superseded by science.

They are both antiquated, primitive beliefs that have been superseded by science. Bigotry has nothing to do with it.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Whats not academic about civil rights and the law? I would say that is very academic. The study of current events is also an ACADEMIC matter and as such have a place in the schools.

Creationism is not.

More than half the US believes that God created man, but its not a current event?

 

[barbelith]

The debates should provide the answers most are looking for.

You think a single 90 minute debate is enough time to make a decision about a person who might lead a global superpower? I know we disagree politically but I wouldn't accept that from my own party.

 

[hoodonit00]

They are both antiquated, primitive beliefs that have been superseded by science. Bigotry has nothing to do with it.

Do you think creationism is antiquated or religion itself?

 

[ProgMatinee]

Should we bring up the flat earth hypothesis, too?

Uh....how did you learn about the hypothesis? In a school maybe?

 

[barbelith]

More than half the US believes that God created man, but its not a current event?

If more than half the US believed little gnomes were responsible for carrying tiny records of your voice back and forth through the telephone wires, would that be justification for introducing the Gnome Hypothesis into an electronics class?

 

[ProgMatinee]

If more than half the US believed little gnomes were responsible for carrying tiny records of your voice back and forth through the telephone wires, would that be justification for introducing the Gnome Hypothesis into an electronics class?

Yes. Next question?


In seriousness, half the Earth WOULDN'T believe that because we can sit down and create a circuit.

Created any good planets lately?

 

[pixletwin]

More than half the US believes that God created man, but its not a current event?

Nope. The controversy surrounding it is. That would be more appropriate in a discussion on current events than in a science class.

 

[barbelith]

Do you think creationism is antiquated or religion itself?

As a credible belief system, yes.

how did you learn about the hypothesis? In a school maybe?

Yes - as an example of science disproving myth. But we both know that when science is used to disprove ID for example a significant number of people howl with outrage. I have no problem introducing "creationism" in science class to show how it's unscientific and contradicted by the facts (well to be more precise disproving ID vs evolution and displaying how creationism is an unscientific hypothesis vs abiogenesis).

Yes.

Wow. I don't really know what to do with that. Maybe if enough people close their eyes and wish really hard, electricity will be replaced by little gnomes after all.

 

[pixletwin]

Seriously folks, it is possible to talk about this stuff without being condescending.

Thanks.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Nope. The controversy surrounding it is. That would be more appropriate in a discussion on current events than in a science class.

Then possibly it should. Unfortunately, the 10% lawyers and athiests of the world would love to prevent it from happening in those classes too.

 

[Spartan Rex]

You must be referring to the one I answered three times. Not my fault you don't find the loss of rights important.

I do when they give me an example from their lives of the loss of said rights.
Instead you tried to divert scrutiny off yourself and your lack of evidence by asking me questions.
An old debating trick but being that Im half Hutt your mind tricks had no effect.
:emperor

 

[wofford29]

What's scarier is that someone would care about Matt Damon's opinion.

 

[pixletwin]

What's scarier is that someone would care about Matt Damon's opinion.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Yes - as an example of science disproving myth. But we both know that when science is used to disprove ID for example a significant number of people howl with outrage. I have no problem introducing "creationism" in science class to show how it's unscientific and contradicted by the facts (well to be more precise disproving ID vs evolution and displaying how creationism is an unscientific hypothesis vs abiogenesis).

I can't speak for others, but as a Christian, I would rather it be brought up and rationally discussed than BANNED. Unfortunately, most lib minded teachers I've had would have no respect for belief systems and would have probably ridiculed anyone who believed God started it all.

Regardless, all the scientific proof I've ever been offered has never contradicted the possibilitity that evolution, the big bang theory (or whatever the farthest back in creation of the universe a scientist can go) that God didn't press the button at the beginning of it.

 

[wofford29]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPWJOJYVKc

 

[pixletwin]

Regardless, all the scientific proof I've ever been offered has never contradicted the possibilitity that evolution, the big bang theory (or whatever the farthest back in creation of the universe a scientist can go) that God didn't press the button at the beginning of it.

That I totally agree with. But it still doesn't have the scientific data to back it up (as is the case with most matters of faith) and thus has no place being taught in a science class as a scientific possibility of the origin of the universe.

 

[wofford29]

In remembrance of today and since it's completely relevant to the topic. I thought this would be approriate.

Language Warning...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08J_G5ml4E

 

[ProgMatinee]

That I totally agree with. But it still doesn't have the scientific data to back it up (as is the case with most matters of faith) and thus shas no place being taught in a science class as a scientific possibility of the origin of the universe.

School isn't necessarily all about "facts". Its about learning to be critical and think.

By bringing up alternative views, one learns to discern between fact, fiction, evidence, faith etc.

Others might be different, but if my kid came home and rattled off scientific facts but didn't know how to make an analysis of information and come to a conclusion, I'd think that teacher failed.

 

[pixletwin]

School isn't necessarily all about "facts". Its about learning to be critical and think.

By bringing up alternative views, one learns to discern between fact, fiction, evidence, faith etc.

Others might be different, but if my kid came home and rattled off scientific facts but didn't know how to make an analysis of information and come to a conclusion, I'd think that teacher failed.

True. But specifically Science is about facts and the interpretation thereof.