Media Metal Gear Solid Discussion Thread (NO FIGURES /CUSTOMS JUST GAMES) SPOILERS

[Solidus]

Seems somewhat plausible. Venom did imagine all of the scenes with Paz on Mother Base. He even imagined when Ocelot was there, and told him about Paz. It's way too trippy to think about Medic Snake being a figment of Big Boss' crazed mind, though. I'll just accept what was given in the story for my own sanity.

 

[GasparZizou]

 

[Kiva]

Replaying the story only, and I'm starting to question whether that whole body double thing is real.

A lot of stuff in the intro seems really. I'm starting to think it's a possibility that Ishmael isn't real, and Venom could be the real Big Boss.

How would Venom be the real Big Boss?

People from prior games who meet him always do a " .. wait is it you ? " kind of line. His DNA doesnt match Eli ( big clue here ) There has to be 2 people in the opening, Ahab and Ishmael as alot of times they do things independent of one another and one person cant be in 2 places at the same time. Then we of course have the ending which explicitly says Medic is a Phantom, then the ending credits story-run-down announces when Venom dies.

Maybe if the entire game is an hallucination and never happened it could be the Real Big Boss still trippin'. But even then, how could the real Big Boss know about Eli and his appearence/history and even the existence of the Third child who is of course a real character from the franchise if he is still in a coma?

Maybe if Mantis is in Big Boss's mind for years while he is in a coma filling it with images from the real life world and distorting his view so when he awakens he is a bad guy i can somewhat see that. But it would still be a copout.

 

[pturtle]

Maybe it's cut content, or just deliberate but there's way too many inconsistencies in that intro.

Some stuff that just seemed really off to me:

Ishmael has two eyes and no beard under the facial wraps

Code Talker's explanation on why Quiet declined treatment was that she probably wanted revenge on Venom, this doesn't make much sense to me because Venom didn't do a thing to her. She found him, tried to kill him, and Ishmael ends up injuring her.

The time difference from when Ocelot shows up to save Venom and his talk with Ishmael/Big Boss doesn't make sense.

The helicopter towards the end of the intro lights Ishmael up with bullets, causing him to be unconscious, after they crash he just changes his clothes and seems fine.

Also the scene where Kaz asks "what about him?", the doctor tells Kaz that the medic took some shrapnel to the head, shouldn't he be a bit suspicious that Venom has the same missing limb as the medic did and the same shrapnel sticking out of his head?

Another thing, the book Moby **** was critically panned when it first released because the entire epilogue wasn't in it, later on more of the story and epilogue that were essential to the story was added making the book coherent and was praised by critics, I wonder if that's what's going on with TPP, or is it just filled with plot holes and cut content. Time will tell I guess.

Also the book 1984 ends with the main character brainwashed into believe all the lies.

The whole thing regarding Eli not being a match could just be Ocelot lying to Venom for whatever reason.

The use of Digoxin was completely random and common side effects are hallucinations. Its commonly used for heart failures so why would Venom need it?

I like the twist a lot, but replaying the intro, and knowing what happens in the end, some stuff seem deliberately off. Throw in the opening text about there being no facts just interpretation, I have a feeling a lot of what we’re told by others in the game could be a lie, or an hallucination, or Mantis messing with our minds. I guess like Solidus said, it's much easier to just accept the ending because trying to figure everything out will drive me mad

 

[Solidus]

I've gotta say, some of those points are pretty intriguing, especially the one with Miller. It's strange that he wouldn't be suspicious of Venom Snake at all. Miller was the only survivor of the helicopter explosion, who was conscious at the hospital at the end of Ground Zeroes. He clearly saw the exact injuries that the Medic and Big Boss sustained. The doctor even told Miller that the medic had shrapnel sticking out of his head. But, Big Boss didn't even have that kind of injury.

It could be a sloppy plot hole. But, I remember Kojima said that MGS V would show Big Boss' decent into madness. In a strange way, this might be it...

 

[GasparZizou]

2+2=5

 

[Dylan]

Well it doesn't really matter because unlike MGS2 we will simply never know.

 

[GasparZizou]

S3 is in motion.

 

[Solidus]

Kojima's "who gives a ****" attitude about this game, makes me not want to give a **** about it either. It's not a good writing to have so many plot holes, cut content, and story threads that are left unfinished. If anyone tries defending it, they're just deluding themselves. You can strike this game entirely from the record and it'll have zero effect on the timeline. Plus, if you want to entertain the thought that there's only one Big Boss, and he's simply going crazy in TPP, then it doesn't even affect the outcome of MG 1. Maybe MGS V is just one big, unnecessary phantom pain in ass for the series.

The only good thing it did, was show that Zero wasn't the villain that was described by Eva. He had a somewhat elegant, but crazed vision for the world. However, his organization - Cipher got too big, and out-of-hand for him to control.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I still don't buy he and the other support crew started the Patriots... it feels so uncanon it's silly.

 

[FSLAR]

one job Kojima, one job.

I still agree that outside of MGS 3 and maybe PO (not sure), if you take this and PW out, it doesn't do anything to the timeline.

 

[Solidus]

I still don't buy he and the other support crew started the Patriots... it feels so uncanon it's silly.

I remember, a few days after the MGS 4 signing in 2008, I was on the PS forum complaining about it. It was pretty messed up, even back then.

 

[Dylan]

I'm going to be honest. I liked the reveal. I liked that it was people who were actually in the series instead of new people or making it George Washington or some ****.

At any rate hopefully MGO is good otherwise this game is going back to GameStop.

 

[Solidus]

I'll be getting on MGO as soon as it goes online. There's no telling when Konami will cut support for it...

 

[GasparZizou]

If they plan on keeping PES, I think they'll support MGO for a decent time, after all they have to maintain the servers for PES too.

 

[Dylan]

I would worry. I'm sure they plan on making back their investment with DLC alone.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

A(greed)

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[ronri]

Nice little bit of trivia I just found out. While Skull Face's motif of skulls seemed pretty generic, apparently Kojima's inspiration for him came from the skull from the logo of Outer Heaven. Specifically, due to Skull Face being a black ops operative that lived under Big Boss's shadow, he lost all his humanity and all that remained is a "skeleton/skull" (literally losing his "face"). In this regard, Kojima outlined that the skull of the Outer Heaven logo is meant to represent Big Boss's eventual loss of humanity, much like what happened to Skull Face.

Interestingly, given the tagline "From FOX, two phantoms were born", people deduced that it's probably talking about Skull Face and Venom Snake. Skull Face's backstory implied that he had actually been working covertly during MGS3 as Big Boss's backup and as a fail-safe if Big Boss didn't succeed. The same way that Skull Face became Big Boss's phantom after doing all this behind-the-scenes work, by taking down Skull Face and taking on Big Boss's legend, Venom Snake replaced Skull Face as Big Boss's phantom, only this time it's both in our actions and in our appearance.

I thought it was an interesting food for thought and Kojima's claims about Skull Face's inspiration being based on the Outer Heaven logo seemed to back up the idea behind it.

 

[Jameson Rook]

"Eyes on Kazuhira. A message from the Parasites." - Code Talker

Can someone explain to me what the heck did that lead up to? Also, the parasites are emotive to express suspicion? What?

 

[Solidus]

Nice little bit of trivia I just found out. While Skull Face's motif of skulls seemed pretty generic, apparently Kojima's inspiration for him came from the skull from the logo of Outer Heaven. Specifically, due to Skull Face being a black ops operative that lived under Big Boss's shadow, he lost all his humanity and all that remained is a "skeleton/skull" (literally losing his "face"). In this regard, Kojima outlined that the skull of the Outer Heaven logo is meant to represent Big Boss's eventual loss of humanity, much like what happened to Skull Face.

Interestingly, given the tagline "From FOX, two phantoms were born", people deduced that it's probably talking about Skull Face and Venom Snake. Skull Face's backstory implied that he had actually been working covertly during MGS3 as Big Boss's backup and as a fail-safe if Big Boss didn't succeed. The same way that Skull Face became Big Boss's phantom after doing all this behind-the-scenes work, by taking down Skull Face and taking on Big Boss's legend, Venom Snake replaced Skull Face as Big Boss's phantom, only this time it's both in our actions and in our appearance.

I thought it was an interesting food for thought and Kojima's claims about Skull Face's inspiration being based on the Outer Heaven logo seemed to back up the idea behind it.

That's a pretty pointless analogy by Kojima, since Big Boss never even met Skull Face. Only Venom Snake did.