Media Metal Gear Solid Discussion Thread (NO FIGURES /CUSTOMS JUST GAMES) SPOILERS

[Snake Plissken]

I said it was next to impossible for mortals who can't plat MGR, so it doesn't apply to you.

I got the plat twice on 2 separate accounts, that makes me mighty. Or pathetic.

mortals. MGR plat is doable, but you need TONS of experience and you need to learn enemy attack patterns to a T. I'm pretty sure I broke one, of my many controllers over VR19.

I'm not nearly as good as I was during that plat run.

 

[Jameson Rook]

mortals. MGR plat is doable, but you need TONS of experience and you need to learn enemy attack patterns to a T. I'm pretty sure I broke one, of my many controllers over VR19.

I'm not nearly as good as I was during that plat run.

I tried, I really did but S-ranking Revengeance mode and that god damn VR19 kills me no matter how much I tried. I give up and maybe will try it if I feel like it. On the contrary, the worst thing to happen in MGS2 was Variety Level 4, pass that and the rest of the game is doable.

I have come crazy tips for EXTREME mode that will have your jaw drop, lemme know if you're going for that.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I tried, I really did but S-ranking Revengeance mode and that god damn VR19 kills me no matter how much I tried. I give up and maybe will try it if I feel like it. On the contrary, the worst thing to happen in MGS2 was Variety Level 4, pass that and the rest of the game is doable.

I have come crazy tips for EXTREME mode that will have your jaw drop, lemme know if you're going for that.

Maybe after I complete the main game, I'll move into that.

 

[Solidus]

The MGS Legacy Collection on sale for $29.98 on Amazon. That's a steal at that price. I'm surprised it's still in stock.

Amazon.com: Metal Gear Solid: The Legacy Collection: Paul G. Ziegler: Video Games

 

[Snake Plissken]

Well, I just finished MGS2 HD. I Haven't played it since I got the HD version, and it's the first time in years I listened to every codec convo and watched all the cutscenes.

MGS2 was WAY ahead of it's time when you look at the core plot of the control over digital information, and that information overflowing the net. After being older and digesting the story so many times and now seeing it again with fresh eyes basically, I can follow the codec call from GW so much better now. Being a teenager, it went over my head big time, aside from the main points made in it. Kojima really was spot on in sizing up society with it, and it's even truer now. Considering how "half truths" are spread all over the net on a daily basis. On top of that, there's PLENTY of trivial information to be obtained on the net, and it never deteriorates. This is exactly what GW was trying to filter out. No game, has ever broke the fourth wall like this game did, not even close. It was a good experience, but at the same time saddening. Reminds me of when I was younger, and dying to get a sequel... and we did, and it fell flat to me and so many others.

I thought it was the perfect sequel to MGS1, it upped the stakes and scope of the series, and to me made the MGS world much larger. In a way, it's still a tough pill to swallow with Raiden taking over the role as the main character in this game... at the same time, makes you appreciate Snake so much more than you could of ever had. It's fun picking his brain on stuff after it's revealed to be him. I think this was the perfect evolution of Snake as a character, becoming more of a philosopher, and him looking more inward on himself and what type of legacy he wanted to pass on. He basically defined for Raiden what type of life to lead.

And, makes me miss David Hayter immensely.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I just started a full playthrough of MGS4. I haven't listening to all the codec convos and watched all the cutscenes since I first played it in 2008. I just got to where I meet Drebin. The writing is pretty clumsy, and it seems it's quite on purpose to make it hard to follow with the war economy and PMCs. And I noticed in the briefing file of Act 1, you got Campbell trying to explain everything... but it focuses more on Sunny and Otacon... there's no emphasis on ****ing Snake, not until the end. I was just telling Solidus, I really think this should of been stretched two games. It feels very forced were supposed to accept this new world, and it's such a departure from the going ons in MGS2. Arsenal's crash landing on Manhattan never gets explained, really bugged me when I first played it.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Well, I just finished MGS2 HD. I Haven't played it since I got the HD version, and it's the first time in years I listened to every codec convo and watched all the cutscenes.

MGS2 was WAY ahead of it's time when you look at the core plot of the control over digital information, and that information overflowing the net. After being older and digesting the story so many times and now seeing it again with fresh eyes basically, I can follow the codec call from GW so much better now. Being a teenager, it went over my head big time, aside from the main points made in it. Kojima really was spot on in sizing up society with it, and it's even truer now. Considering how "half truths" are spread all over the net on a daily basis. On top of that, there's PLENTY of trivial information to be obtained on the net, and it never deteriorates. This is exactly what GW was trying to filter out. No game, has ever broke the fourth wall like this game did, not even close. It was a good experience, but at the same time saddening. Reminds me of when I was younger, and dying to get a sequel... and we did, and it fell flat to me and so many others.

I thought it was the perfect sequel to MGS1, it upped the stakes and scope of the series, and to me made the MGS world much larger. In a way, it's still a tough pill to swallow with Raiden taking over the role as the main character in this game... at the same time, makes you appreciate Snake so much more than you could of ever had. It's fun picking his brain on stuff after it's revealed to be him. I think this was the perfect evolution of Snake as a character, becoming more of a philosopher, and him looking more inward on himself and what type of legacy he wanted to pass on. He basically defined for Raiden what type of life to lead.

And, makes me miss David Hayter immensely.

I think MGS2 if anything, is more relevant than it ever was way back in 2001. Like I said before, I think it's the T2 of videogames- both could been "just" a sequel but they both aspired to transcend their respective medium.

I just started a full playthrough of MGS4. I haven't listening to all the codec convos and watched all the cutscenes since I first played it in 2008. I just got to where I meet Drebin. The writing is pretty clumsy, and it seems it's quite on purpose to make it hard to follow with the war economy and PMCs. And I noticed in the briefing file of Act 1, you got Campbell trying to explain everything... but it focuses more on Sunny and Otacon... there's no emphasis on ****ing Snake, not until the end. I was just telling Solidus, I really think this should of been stretched two games. It feels very forced were supposed to accept this new world, and it's such a departure from the going ons in MGS2. Arsenal's crash landing on Manhattan never gets explained, really bugged me when I first played it.

Oh boy, where do I begin- after getting the plat on MGS4, I swear I wouldn't watch the story again. Not only is the plot that bad, but the pacing is pure torture. So many scenes could have been trimmed down and they serve no purpose whatsoever to the overall plot. I'm glad Kojima said that he thinks long cutscenes are dated and he's right. Look at Naughty Dog's Uncharted/TLOU or Rocksteady's Batman games, now that's how you make cutscenes!

 

[FSLAR]

The pacing is bad because of gameplay too honestly, there were times where I got bored or just didn't want to continue, and even went back to an older game in the series (MGS2 in this case) in my first playthrough.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I think MGS2 if anything, is more relevant than it ever was way back in 2001. Like I said before, I think it's the T2 of videogames- both could been "just" a sequel but they both aspired to transcend their respective medium.



Oh boy, where do I begin- after getting the plat on MGS4, I swear I wouldn't watch the story again. Not only is the plot that bad, but the pacing is pure torture. So many scenes could have been trimmed down and they serve no purpose whatsoever to the overall plot. I'm glad Kojima said that he thinks long cutscenes are dated and he's right. Look at Naughty Dog's Uncharted/TLOU or Rocksteady's Batman games, now that's how you make cutscenes!

The pacing is bad because of gameplay too honestly, there were times where I got bored or just didn't want to continue, and even went back to an older game in the series (MGS2 in this case) in my first playthrough.

The pacing is extraordinarily bad when you play for maybe 30 seconds and you get hit with cutscene after cutscene. I've been playing for maybe over an hour, and 15% of that was gameplay.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Interesting watch, if you can ignore the loud music.

 

[Solidus]

MGS 2 was definitely the most intelligent game of the series. It's amazing how it's entire discourse about "Big Brother" is more applicable today than it was in 2001. I think it's the one game in the entire series that will always remain relevant.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Absolutely, it's only going to become more relevant when more liberties are taken away. It's a shame we went from an ambiguously made story, to one where everything is explained and nothing is left up to the player...

Speaking of which, I just made it to Rat **** Patrol 01 in MGS4... The dialogue is so ham handed, like talking about Campbell being her father... Kojima must of been like "oh I'll make them talk about events in MGS1, oh jolly gee!"

Like I don't mind them doing that, but the way it was portrayed seemed very poorly done.

 

[Solidus]

Absolutely, it's only going to become more relevant when more liberties are taken away. It's a shame we went from an ambiguously made story, to one where everything is explained and nothing is left up to the player...

Speaking of which, I just made it to Rat **** Patrol 01 in MGS4... The dialogue is so ham handed, like talking about Campbell being her father... Kojima must of been like "oh I'll make them talk about events in MGS1, oh jolly gee!"

Like I don't mind them doing that, but the way it was portrayed seemed very poorly done.

Did you remember to shake your controller when calling Naomi? It amazes me how MGS 4 has hardly any redeeming aspects. I remember laughing up a storm when I first heard the "lightning in the rain" speech between Snake and Raiden. I'm sure Kojima didn't intend it to be funny, but it was so forced, along with many other lines.

Also, mentioning Rat Patrol 01, remember that touching scene for 10 seconds, between Jonathan and Ed where they talked about being best friends? They were hardly ever shown, and giving that touching "moment" was beyond random, I wonder where it came from .

 

[Snake Plissken]

Ugh... I think the Naomi and Otacon thing was the only time I thought Kojima could be straight. Since I personally see Otacon as Koji, so he wrote it in there that the dork micro **** got to bang the hot chick.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Interesting watch, if you can ignore the loud music.

Seen it before, very good insight.

MGS 2 was definitely the most intelligent game of the series. It's amazing how it's entire discourse about "Big Brother" is more applicable today than it was in 2001. I think it's the one game in the entire series that will always remain relevant.

Here is probably some of the best analysis on the game ever written:

D-T-G || Driving Off the Map

 

[Snake Plissken]

It's pretty angering how MGS2 hasn't grown on people over the years. Sure, I was one of the haters on it when it came out, mainly for Raiden. But it's been out for almost 15 years now and I've done a 180 on it. Most gamers only took Raiden at face value, but never tried to understand his purpose at all. It makes me resent MGS3 immensely, since it was a drop off in terms of scope and ambition. With MGS3, if it wasn't set in a jungle, wouldn't be as big as it was.

I almost wish MGS1 was as intricate and deep as MGS2.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Here's a question to you guys. Of the four Snakes: Naked, Solid, Liquid and Solidus... in their prime... who would come out on top?

 

[Jameson Rook]

It's pretty angering how MGS2 hasn't grown on people over the years. Sure, I was one of the haters on it when it came out, mainly for Raiden. But it's been out for almost 15 years now and I've done a 180 on it. Most gamers only took Raiden at face value, but never tried to understand his purpose at all. It makes me resent MGS3 immensely, since it was a drop off in terms of scope and ambition. With MGS3, if it wasn't set in a jungle, wouldn't be as big as it was.

I almost wish MGS1 was as intricate and deep as MGS2.

Nailed it right here, MGS2 at face value was a clusterF. I was so mad at the stupid game that I literally kicked my spanking new PS2 out of frustration. It took me a few replays but I think I saw it wasn't meant to be taken as that. I do feel bad that it's still not as warmly received like the other games, which is why games like MGS4 and PW exist to please the crowd.

I'm really curious as to how "race" and "revenge" would tie in with the mythology. "Sense" and "Peace" were already pushing their luck.

 

[Solidus]

Man, that's a tough question. Maybe Naked Snake? But, then I remember Solid Snake had some super-human reflexes in MGS 2, when he dodged Olga's bullet.

MGS 2 was a game that needed to grow on you over the years. We were way too young when we played it back in the day .

 

[Jameson Rook]

Here's a question to you guys. Of the four Snakes: Naked, Solid, Liquid and Solidus... in their prime... who would come out on top?

Liquid maybe? Keep in mind he could survive anything, even the fall from Rex. We never really found out just what is he capable of beyond surviving the impossible.