Media Metal Gear Solid Discussion Thread (NO FIGURES /CUSTOMS JUST GAMES) SPOILERS

[Dylan]

Ummm yeah most certainly not her body in MGSV

 

[Solidus]

Seems like we aren't the ones who should be ashamed of our deeds .

 

[Snake Plissken]

It was done for the greater good!

She's built like a low rent stripper.

 

[Solidus]

I think Konami was pushing Stefanie way too much. She's not only the model for Quiet, but also Quiet's voice actress, and they had her sing Quiet's Theme. Not to mention all of Kojima Station ads, and Japanese commercials. It's one of the more recent cases of a corporate built model/celeb if I ever saw one, because (to put it bluntly) she was a nobody before this game came out. But, I wonder she's popular enough, that other companies are going to recruit her for their games now.

 

[GasparZizou]

I think Konami was pushing Stefanie way too much. She's not only the model for Quiet, but also Quiet's voice actress, and they had her sing Quiet's Theme. Not to mention all of Kojima Station ads, and Japanese commercials. It's one of the more recent cases of a corporate built model/celeb if I ever saw one, because (to put it bluntly) she was a nobody before this game came out. But, I wonder she's popular enough, that other companies are going to recruit her for their games now.

I thought the same, it's probably cause she was already established in Japan as a model and speaks Japanese, and probably was one of the cheapest of the cast. but yeah, she's an "idol" case.

I loved the character and Joos herself but I don't see her making it out of Japan, hopefully she proves me wrong.

 

[FSLAR]

Seems like we aren't the ones who should be ashamed of our deeds .

For real

If I recall, that was how the developers of Lollipop Chainsaw were trying to get that game to sell, a ton of models and stuff. The game flopped MAJORLY, and I think that's part of why.

She's built like a low rent stripper.

 

[Dylan]

Just got around to finishing all the tapes in MGSV. In conclusion Big Boss is a coward and a total ****.

The Boss- trains him, loves him. How does he repay her? Kills her and tarnishes her reputation for years using her "will" as a cover story for being a prick.

Zero- admires him, loves him, sets him up with the best medical care possible until he can wake up from his comma. How does her repay him? Suffocates his defensless comatose body in a cemetery.

Venom Snake- idolizes him, is a good soldier, sacrifices himself for him. How does he repay him? Face surgery so that all of BBs problems are now his problems. Didn't even ask permission. And later sends his clone to murder him.

Miller- is basically his best friend. How does her repay him? Does not give two ****s about him ever again.

His children- did not chose their fate. He hates them and turns his doppelganger into step daddy Snake because he doesn't feel like it.

I wish Solid just shot him on site at the end of MGS4

 

[GasparZizou]

What's wrong with Killing the boss? It was part of the mission and it's what the Boss wanted. Afterwards, everybody misused her "will", not only BB, plus he didn't stab her in the back, he took her head on.

What he did to Zero was a mercy.

Venom Snake did want to be turned into BB, it's said in the tapes.

Other than that yeah, **** for sure but certainly not a coward, you don't overthrow Soviet government by being a coward.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Well, I'm glad Big Boss's story is over because frankly I'm sick of the character. He was awesome in MGS3 and MPO and as far as I'm concerned, you're supposed to fill in the blanks yourself on how he made his heel turn.

Like I said before, my biggest problem with BB is that he's slowly but surely becoming unrelatable despite being the poster boy of MGS for some reason. What made Solid Snake and Raiden so relatable is that they both wanted out the second the could, with Snake retiring after the events of MG2 and Raiden expressing similar sentiments in MGS2. They both are not interested in war and conflict and would prefer to live civilian lives.

 

[pturtle]

Isn’t the whole point of this game to show that Legend was greater than the man?

The ending shows us that Big Boss is nothing more than a cult leader, Diamond Dogs, Outer Heaven, Zanzibar etc… all apart of his war-cult. If you look at it, By the end of Peace Walker, he was already a demon.

 

[GasparZizou]

Isn’t the whole point of this game to show that Legend was greater than the man?

The ending shows us that Big Boss is nothing more than a cult leader, Diamond Dogs, Outer Heaven, Zanzibar etc… all apart of his war-cult. If you look at it, By the end of Peace Walker, he was already a demon.

like it usually is.

 

[pturtle]

like it usually is.

Its actually one of the subtle themes I love about TPP story, since PW, Big Boss literally captures soldiers from all types of backgrounds, has them brainwashed into thinking he’s some sort of god so they can fight for his ideals. Venom is probably the biggest victim of this.

 

[GasparZizou]

Well, since PO he's done that, also, remember how he was supposed to be like el Che Guevara in PW, well he was always supposed to be that kind of figure, the revolutionary (zanzibarland), mythological ******, he's even wearing a similar hat in MG2.

 

[ronri]

Conceptually, I like the twist in that it really cements Big Boss's questionable morals, rather I just find the execution really lacking (emotionally and literally in terms of cut content).

Personally I think the most damning aspect about Venom Snake is the fact that I'd have found things more interesting if we got the twist earlier, because as-is, it feels like the start of something that was planned to have more to come.

So in the end I'm kind of in the middle about the twist. Cool idea ("legend was greater than the man" or "you/we are Big Boss: both phantom and real" ) but poor execution (lack of more content/potential sequels, silent protagonist, little character-defining moments)

 

[pturtle]

Well, since PO he's done that, also, remember how he was supposed to be like el Che Guevara in PW, well he was always supposed to be that kind of figure, the revolutionary (zanzibarland), mythological ******, he's even wearing a similar hat in MG2.

Its been too long since I’ve played PO, I don’t even remember why he was kidnapping soldiers and who was doing the hypnotizing

 

[FSLAR]

Well, I'm glad Big Boss's story is over because frankly I'm sick of the character. He was awesome in MGS3 and MPO and as far as I'm concerned, you're supposed to fill in the blanks yourself on how he made his heel turn.

Like I said before, my biggest problem with BB is that he's slowly but surely becoming unrelatable despite being the poster boy of MGS for some reason. What made Solid Snake and Raiden so relatable is that they both wanted out the second the could, with Snake retiring after the events of MG2 and Raiden expressing similar sentiments in MGS2. They both are not interested in war and conflict and would prefer to live civilian lives.

Raiden even had a future at the end of MGS2, with Rose and their future child, so he had something to really look forward. Snake didn't have much (IIRC)

The only thing is The Boss wanted to be killed...but everything else, has been done crazy. Why he's the poster boy, I don't even know. He's no longer that relatable, due to how much of a mess things are now.

 

[RIDDICK]

you don't overthrow Soviet government by being a coward.

Assassin's Creed > MG

 

[Dylan]

What's wrong with Killing the boss? It was part of the mission and it's what the Boss wanted. Afterwards, everybody misused her "will", not only BB, plus he didn't stab her in the back, he took her head on.

What he did to Zero was a mercy.

Venom Snake did want to be turned into BB, it's said in the tapes.

Other than that yeah, **** for sure but certainly not a coward, you don't overthrow Soviet government by being a coward.

When did he do that? And yes he is you don't go into hiding and go as far as brainwashing and surgery to leave someone holding the bag because you're brave.

 

[Dylan]

Isn’t the whole point of this game to show that Legend was greater than the man?

The ending shows us that Big Boss is nothing more than a cult leader, Diamond Dogs, Outer Heaven, Zanzibar etc… all apart of his war-cult. If you look at it, By the end of Peace Walker, he was already a demon.

The ending shows us that Big Boss never did anything he's given credit for. Not Outer Heaven, not the Patriots. Why is he even a bad guy?

 

[pturtle]

He did create the "true" Outer Heaven, and manipulating soldiers to fight for his ideals isn't bad? Or everything that he orchestrated in MG1 wasn't bad? He created a phantom to do his dirty work, while I'm still not sure if he sent Solid in to kill Venom or to be killed, either possibility is still bad.

I think this game shows him more of a hypocrite than a bad guy though, Metal Gear rarely has a real "bad guy".