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Okay fine but consider your source for a moment ........... do you even trust the source? Any source. I know I lost my faith in ANY type of media years ago. Does either side have concrete evidence to support either case? No. So lets leave it at that and try remembering him for the amazing things (music) he did instead. If you don't want to do that then you don't have to post here.

What source are you trusting? :confused: MJ...his lawyer's...or just that feeling in the pit of your stomach? I'll stick with fact that after a thorough investigation by police looking into complaints filed against him he was charged. I'll stick with the fact the District Attorney's Office felt there was sufficient evidence to go to trail. What of earth did the media have to do with this? They simply picked up the story and ran with it like the vultures they are. Fortunately for MJ, he had enough money to pay off the families of the children affected, and avoid going to trial. And this wasn't a one time event or a one time payoff either. If you're MJ, just how many multi-million dollar payoffs do you have to make before you figure out maybe it isn't a good idea to allow children to sleepover at your house, and in your own bed no less. :duh
And don't think for one second I even remotely understand why those parents took the money instead of going to trial because I never would have done that myself. Maybe they did so on the advice of the DA, maybe they just didn't want to put their kids through the stress of a trial, or perhaps they were just plain greedy....I don't know. But what I understand even less than that, is why would someone risk losing their reputation, their career, and millions of dollars by not fighting the charges and allegations? I've got news for you, if someone were to ever accuse me of something like this I would fight it to my dying breath, and I would see to it that those who brought the false accusations against me would never see one penny of my money.

Now I'm not the kind of guy who worships or idolizes celebrites, I really don't care how well someone can sing, or act, or how fast they can throw a baseball...those things are admirable, but I'm certainly not willing to give someone the benefit for no other reason than they can do these things. That's just not good enough for me, and since admittedly I wasn't there, all I can do is go with is the evidence at hand and you can slice this anyway you want, but the evidence of guilt far outweighs the evidence of innocence [esp. since there isn't any] in regard to this situation.

That being said I am in no way trying to take anything away from him as far as his musical talents are concerned. I was in my early twenties when Thriller was released and I am fully aware of the impact he had on the music industry, not only because of his music, but because he was really the guy who put music video's on the map. Too bad his idea of thanking John Landis was to stiff him out of his royalties....but that's another story. Was he a great singer, dancer, and entertainer....absolutely. Was he a good person....I don't think so.

It's kind of ironic to see MJ's family and lawyer speak out against the circle of people he had surrounded himself with, the "enablers" who instead of trying to get him the help he obviously needed, told him exactly what he wanted to hear. I suspect some of the people around here would have fit in perfectly with that circle of friends.

Now if you don't like my post you simply have the option of not reading it, that or you can stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. That should be pretty easy for you, you've been doing that ever since this thread began.
 
Why are you guys trying to convince eachother of your own opinions? Does it really matter?
 
What source are you trusting? :confused: MJ...his lawyer's...or just that feeling in the pit of your stomach? I'll stick with fact that after a thorough investigation by police looking into complaints filed against him he was charged. I'll stick with the fact the District Attorney's Office felt there was sufficient evidence to go to trail. What of earth did the media have to do with this? They simply picked up the story and ran with it like the vultures they are. Fortunately for MJ, he had enough money to pay off the families of the children affected, and avoid going to trial. And this wasn't a one time event or a one time payoff either. If you're MJ, just how many multi-million dollar payoffs do you have to make before you figure out maybe it isn't a good idea to allow children to sleepover at your house, and in your own bed no less. :duh
And don't think for one second I even remotely understand why those parents took the money instead of going to trial because I never would have done that myself. Maybe they did so on the advice of the DA, maybe they just didn't want to put their kids through the stress of a trial, or perhaps they were just plain greedy....I don't know. But what I understand even less than that, is why would someone risk losing their reputation, their career, and millions of dollars by not fighting the charges and allegations? I've got news for you, if someone were to ever accuse me of something like this I would fight it to my dying breath, and I would see to it that those who brought the false accusations against me would never see one penny of my money.

Now I'm not the kind of guy who worships or idolizes celebrites, I really don't care how well someone can sing, or act, or how fast they can throw a baseball...those things are admirable, but I'm certainly not willing to give someone the benefit for no other reason than they can do these things. That's just not good enough for me, and since admittedly I wasn't there, all I can do is go with is the evidence at hand and you can slice this anyway you want, but the evidence of guilt far outweighs the evidence of innocence [esp. since there isn't any] in regard to this situation.

That being said I am in no way trying to take anything away from him as far as his musical talents are concerned. I was in my early twenties when Thriller was released and I am fully aware of the impact he had on the music industry, not only because of his music, but because he was really the guy who put music video's on the map. Too bad his idea of thanking John Landis was to stiff him out of his royalties....but that's another story. Was he a great singer, dancer, and entertainer....absolutely. Was he a good person....I don't think so.

It's kind of ironic to see MJ's family and lawyer speak out against the circle of people he had surrounded himself with, the "enablers" who instead of trying to get him the help he obviously needed, told him exactly what he wanted to hear. I suspect some of the people around here would have fit in perfectly with that circle of friends.

Now if you don't like my post you simply have the option of not reading it, that or you can stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. That should be pretty easy for you, you've been doing that ever since this thread began.

Good points and good post..i can relate to that...why pay if you are not guilty, unless you truly are a child inside and have no conception of what its like to manage your money and spend wisely.

Thriller was great, black MJ in his prime..anything after that is WEIRD!...the triangle nostrils..surgeries..dideling etc..

Kuzeh..just because you jumped on the Jackowagon does not mean you are his lawyer now...go easy on the guy, he made valid points.
 
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In the field I work, MJ would have probably be diagnosed as an ''affective pedophile'' IMO.
 
Kuzeh..just because you jumped on the Jackowagon does not mean you are his lawyer now...go easy on the guy, he made valid points.

Dude,
I'm not in the "Jackowagon" so please don't speak nonsense, it just that it pisses me off when people try to draw attention to themselves by repeating the same crap they see on E!, CNN or FOX news...
This thread is to remember the man's artistry and craft...
if you want to keep "discussing" tabloid garbage,
I suggest you go to TMZ or any of those "celebrity crap" sites...

Seriously...
 
I'm watching "living with MJ" on MSNBC right now. And it's of my opinion that at the end here in the last 10 years or so. He was completely bat-^^^^ crazy. But like i said before, if i was in his shoes i might be as well. So i try not to judge. I just wanna remember the good times! I hope he found his peace!!!

(definitely a tortured soul)
 
I'm watching "living with MJ" on MSNBC right now. And it's of my opinion that at the end here in the last 10 years or so. He was completely bat-^^^^ crazy. But like i said before, if i was in his shoes i might be as well. So i try not to judge. I just wanna remember the good times! I hope he found his peace!!!

(definitely a tortured soul)

My wife and I were talking about this today. I told her about the article posted earlier in this thread, about Michael and the video store.

In the past few years, all you saw of Michael in the media was the bad stuff, or the freaky stuff. You had to actively search out the "old" Michael, and I never did aside from listening to his music on my iPod. Now that he is gone, you see pictures and video of the 80's Michael everywhere. And that is what makes me feel bad, because I am remembering how much I liked him. I lost the memories of what was great about him until he died. It's a shame all that was buried by the bad stuff of recent years.

We were also talking about Britney Spears. I am not a fan of her music, and when she started going downhill with the drinking and drugs, I laughed at her train wreck of a life along with everyone else. But then her Dad had to step in, and it was obvious she was suffering from some sort of mental illness. I feel bad for her, but I am glad someone stepped in before the vampires stole all her money and drugged her to death.
 
I watched that documentary on MSNBC as well, and man. . .it is hard to have much sympathy at all for late-era Michael when you see that. His bizarre perception about the children being gifts to him from the mothers, the way he completely didn't understand that he was ^^^^ing up his own children's lives by making their lives a circus all the time (and the way he was feeding "Blanket" was just frightening), of course the sleeping with small boys thing. He was so delusional and freaky. You've really got to wonder how one gets from where he was in the early 80s to where he was in recent years.
 
Drugs. Everybody close to him these past few years who has come out with a statement has said that the drugs were flowing free, and they knew eventually it would kill him.
 
I totally get it when people say it feels like a part of their childhood died when MJ died. When I hear a song off of Thriller or Bad, it immediately takes me back in such a unexplainable way. It just feels strange knowing that MJ is no longer around somewhere out there in this world doing something ridiculous and over-the-top.

To me, I've seen MJ in a different light these past few days, it's almost like I can appreciate some of the odd stuff that he did. I'm sure most people have seen these pics:

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Pics from artists of what he could have looked like if he hadn't had all of the strange work done to himself. I kinda see how trivial it is now...who cares if he ended up looking like your average looking 50 year old black guy when he died? Does it really even matter?

And on the subject of videos, everybody knows Thriller or Beat It, go watch "Earth Song" or "Who Is It".....or "Leave Me Alone", those just seem to shine alot brighter after the guy passed on.


As for the child molestation stuff, we will never know for sure about any of it. I can tell you this, if you're looking for perfection in any man on earth (rolemodel or not) you won't find it. We'll always be reminded that we are all human. Even if he never molested a child in his whole life, his addictions ultimately destroyed him.

As for his final tour that was planned to kick-off in July, I really wish Janet could step in for him. I know it won't happen though.
 
In Memory. :lol

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Jackson is a Legend but my god, are the news milking it. It's like all that went on in Iran never happend. It's a good thing Goldblum did not die, because he would not have got the tributes that he deserved.

I know CBS did a short tribute to Farrah on their Jackson show, but that's all I've seen for her so far. Don't know if I missed them or that they never came about.
 
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