Molecule8 John Lennon UPDATE 5/10/18 - SCAM COMPANY!

[Eamon]

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Yes they are all from molecule8 from posts preceding the Lennon reveal, I have copied and pasted them verbatim.

They only really started saying the sculpts in the reveal were tests after the backlash started to hit.

Figured that but it's not easy to distinguish what is a quote and what is being said by you.
But anyways, I distinctively remember first seeing the JL head in a persons hand on Twitter that said, 'not final' and "still some refining to do'. Did I imagine that, I was away on holiday and it was very hot so perhaps I did.

 

[karamazov80]

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Great to hear, amstel. Bummer you had to go through so much to make it happen, though. I know the feeling of anxiety that happens in that kind of situation.

 

[amstel]

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Was the stress worth it?

Guys on here seem to be willing to throw their money at anything with the knowledge that "hey I can get it back if I want so it costs me nothing"... but there's always a cost.

The cost in stress just doesn't seem worth it to me.

You're right, no it was not worth the stress.

Great to hear, amstel. Bummer you had to go through so much to make it happen, though. I know the feeling of anxiety that happens in that kind of situation.

Yeah. One thing is for sure that I will not make this kind of mistake again.


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[pixletwin]

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nothing "inflammatory" about some guy (me) typing his honest opinion on this company and their practices in the specific language that happens to be running through my mind.

I didn't single you out. But I will respond, in a general sense, to the quote above.

Typing out the unfiltered contents of ones thoughts doesn't make it less inflammatory. I believe exactly the opposite is more likely. But don't pop a vein man, it's all good.

 

[mr sinister]

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I distinctively remember first seeing the JL head in a persons hand on Twitter that said, 'not final' and "still some refining to do'. Did I imagine that, I was away on holiday and it was very hot so perhaps I did.

In about 90% sure those shots of the sculpt in someone's hands came after video etc had come out and images capped and posted up with comparisons to the sculpt.
I've heard rumours that you're working for them in some capacity, no idea if that's true or whether you have any incite into what's going on behind the scenes?

 

[Tom Day]

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I also don't see many here 'defending the indefensible' either. The message from the other side is proportionality, have a go at M8, be annoyed at M8 but there is a certain glee coming from folks and just a nasty needless tonne. Like if in some way M8 fails and it all goes totally belly up, some here give the impression that this would bring them no end of joy and want this to happen.

In most circles that bit's messed up.

I certainly don't want them to fail - I wouldn't want anyone to fail - but I don't see why me and other people shouldn't have a laugh at their expense. That's not wanting them to fail, that's just laughing at the way they are failing. If they pull their **** together I'll be glad to buy a figure from them through a reputable retailer, using a credit card that insures my purchase. But in the meantime, what's not to laugh about?

 

[jal76]

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I didn't single you out. But I will respond, in a general sense, to the quote above.

Typing out the unfiltered contents of ones thoughts doesn't make it less inflammatory. I believe exactly the opposite is more likely. But don't pop a vein man, it's all good.

Ha ha..."don't pop a vein..." ok, that was a good one...

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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I certainly don't want them to fail - I wouldn't want anyone to fail - but I don't see why me and other people shouldn't have a laugh at their expense. That's not wanting them to fail, that's just laughing at the way they are failing. If they pull their **** together I'll be glad to buy a figure from them through a reputable retailer, using a credit card that insures my purchase. But in the meantime, what's not to laugh about?

It's to the point now where it's just lame AF

 

[jal76]

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I certainly don't want them to fail - I wouldn't want anyone to fail - but I don't see why me and other people shouldn't have a laugh at their expense. That's not wanting them to fail, that's just laughing at the way they are failing. If they pull their **** together I'll be glad to buy a figure from them through a reputable retailer, using a credit card that insures my purchase. But in the meantime, what's not to laugh about?

Ha ha...words of absolute wisdom!

 

[Godfather1408]

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Was the stress worth it?

Guys on here seem to be willing to throw their money at anything with the knowledge that "hey I can get it back if I want so it costs me nothing"... but there's always a cost.

The cost in stress just doesn't seem worth it to me.

This is why people needed a little thing called common sense!
I waited and ordered via Thegoodthebadtherobots cost me £45 and I'm covered should anything happen, even M8 said if you weren't sure order via a retailer....so I give them credit for even telling people to do that.

With Lee Ward being a legit dude and also working for them I was happy todo that instead of throwing $300 directly to them.
Lee has said they are pushing hard for August. Reserve judgement until August/September.

People have said from the start order via a retailer if unsure! People are to quick to see what is promised and pay up front but not use their noggins and play the safe card and order via a retailer least you know it's the safer card.
I dislike how M8 operate their pre orders which again is why I ordered via Lee because I didn't know what to expect. I'm on the fence and until I see what they deliver I'm just gonna be patient and wait.

I do know from a post I made on their fourm that the Wonka Proto is due soon so this could be interesting.

 

[Eamon]

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In about 90% sure those shots of the sculpt in someone's hands came after video etc had come out and images capped and posted up with comparisons to the sculpt.
I've heard rumours that you're working for them in some capacity, no idea if that's true or whether you have any incite into what's going on behind the scenes?

I didn't see any video to be honest, just those in hand pics and then saw folk flipping out after. I was away at SDCC so perhaps I missed it.

I've only done a few small things for M8 so far. I may get to do some packaging down the road hopefully but they seem to have it all covered so I may not do anything more. I do work for a few figure companies and as such I will be a little more understanding when it comes to delays and how a prototype looks. I think some here think figures just appear by magic, they are entitled to it and there no human on the other side creating these things.

 

[Lakhota]

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Bro Lennon will be epic I love M8! They are going to kill Wonka and y'all be crying like boo hoo hoo! I trust them, sometime you have to be the hero long enough to be the villain , why so serious ??


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[Eamon]

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I certainly don't want them to fail - I wouldn't want anyone to fail - but I don't see why me and other people shouldn't have a laugh at their expense. That's not wanting them to fail, that's just laughing at the way they are failing. If they pull their **** together I'll be glad to buy a figure from them through a reputable retailer, using a credit card that insures my purchase. But in the meantime, what's not to laugh about?

If this was apple or BMW then you would have a point. But they are not a multi million dollar company by any stretch. This stuff is hard work and so much can and does god wrong. As I said, I don't think folks here appreciate just how difficult this stuff is. I will be attempting an action figure line (only 6") and I am dreading it. I can only imagine what it's like with new materials and all the textile stuff. Every guest in my great big lovely massive well hung podcast that shall remain nameless lest I be accused of promoting or anything, from Mezco to Sideshow to Big Chief, will all tell you just how hard, frustrating and time consuming this stuff is.
I see these childish self entitle pathetic pot taking comments and it's depressing.
Many art collectors are not artists but they appreciate the art and how it came to be. It seems that far too many figure collectors do not have as much respect for the process as perhaps they should.
That's not to say that you shouldn't give them or any company flack if they don't deliver or give mixed messages. Proportionality innit.

 

[jal76]

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If this was apple or BMW then you would have a point. But they are not a multi million dollar company by any stretch. This stuff is hard work and so much can and does god wrong. As I said, I don't think folks here appreciate just how difficult this stuff is. I will be attempting an action figure line (only 6") and I am dreading it. I can only imagine what it's like with new materials and all the textile stuff. Every guest in my great big lovely massive well hung podcast that shall remain nameless lest I be accused of promoting or anything, from Mezco to Sideshow to Big Chief, will all tell you just how hard, frustrating and time consuming this stuff is.
I see these childish self entitle pathetic pot taking comments and it's depressing.
Many art collectors are not artists but they appreciate the art and how it came to be. It seems that far too many figure collectors do not have as much respect for the process as perhaps they should.
That's not to say that you shouldn't give them or any company flack if they don't deliver or give mixed messages. Proportionality innit.

In fairness figure collectors respect the process by giving the companies their money once the process is complete...it's simply transactional and that is ok...no one needs to respect the process of baking to walk into a grocery store and buy and eat a loaf of bread...when figure makers start shipping me their figures for free I will become more respectful of the process in the meantime...they make a good figure...I pay...they make a living...and the cycle repeats...now on the other hand I think some of the figure makers may want to have more respect for collectors because in M8's case their apparent lack of respect (honesty) has resulted in mass refunds.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

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Folks being annoyed and unhappy is fine, folks felling they might get burned as other companies have done a legger, that's fine too. But Sideshow freaks has become a right little hate pit hasn't it and there's far too many little boys (no girls) here taking way too much pleasure in thinking the absolute worst and just running with that.

I think the problem a lot of folks have with M8 is the way they boasted about how they were going to change the industry with nothing to back it up but computer graphics and a single prototype sculpt done by a freelance artist. They then doubled down on their claims by purposely misleading people about where they were in the process. When they finally had to show their homework it wasn't up to snuff. Bottom line is they have proven less than honest so some folks including myself have taken some shots at their expense. So what?

If they just announced their intentions honestly the tone of this thread would be entirely different.

 

[RiggsMcClane]

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If they just announced their intentions honestly the tone of this thread would be entirely different.

Exactly. Almost all the criticism M8 has received began there.

 

[Lejuan]

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But Sideshow freaks has become a right little hate pit hasn't it...

I'll defer to those who've been round longer, but this place has been a hate pit since I've been here. It can get a bit out of hand, but generally there's plenty of humour to temper the tone. Those looking for a more gentle tone have OSW as an alternative.

 

[Tom Day]

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If this was apple or BMW then you would have a point. But they are not a multi million dollar company by any stretch. This stuff is hard work and so much can and does god wrong. As I said, I don't think folks here appreciate just how difficult this stuff is. I will be attempting an action figure line (only 6") and I am dreading it. I can only imagine what it's like with new materials and all the textile stuff. Every guest in my great big lovely massive well hung podcast that shall remain nameless lest I be accused of promoting or anything, from Mezco to Sideshow to Big Chief, will all tell you just how hard, frustrating and time consuming this stuff is.
I see these childish self entitle pathetic pot taking comments and it's depressing.
Many art collectors are not artists but they appreciate the art and how it came to be. It seems that far too many figure collectors do not have as much respect for the process as perhaps they should.
That's not to say that you shouldn't give them or any company flack if they don't deliver or give mixed messages. Proportionality innit.

Yes, definitely. And that's why no one is ripping any other company a new arsehole in quite the same way. The way they promoted themselves showed absolutely no proportionality and that's what they've had back. Perhaps now they've refunded Amstel it's time to draw a line, although I don't see why people shouldn't continue to take the piss. I think it's interesting that no one has rounded on you and been abusive, as you might expect people to do from your description of the forum. People have taken issue with you and discussed your posts.

I've just realised who they remind me of hype wise... anyone remember the 80's band Sigue Sigue Sputnik?

 

[pixletwin]

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Yes, definitely. And that's why no one is ripping any other company a new arsehole in quite the same way. The way they promoted themselves showed absolutel... anyone remember the 80's band Sigue Sigue Sputnik?

 

[Choryujin]

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If this was apple or BMW then you would have a point. But they are not a multi million dollar company by any stretch. This stuff is hard work and so much can and does god wrong. As I said, I don't think folks here appreciate just how difficult this stuff is. I will be attempting an action figure line (only 6") and I am dreading it. I can only imagine what it's like with new materials and all the textile stuff. Every guest in my great big lovely massive well hung podcast that shall remain nameless lest I be accused of promoting or anything, from Mezco to Sideshow to Big Chief, will all tell you just how hard, frustrating and time consuming this stuff is.
I see these childish self entitle pathetic pot taking comments and it's depressing.
Many art collectors are not artists but they appreciate the art and how it came to be. It seems that far too many figure collectors do not have as much respect for the process as perhaps they should.
That's not to say that you shouldn't give them or any company flack if they don't deliver or give mixed messages. Proportionality innit.

It's really just schadenfreude on the part of some but to others (like myself who really wanted a good Wonka) it's now poking fun at all of the lies and falsehoods that M8 themselves have perpetuated. They promised a figure to ship months ago then announced a delay to allow retailers to join in then announced another delay just to add guitars to all the boxes all the while claiming that the figure was already produced and ready to ship that day even going so far as posting a photo of a Lennon in a box. I think that's what the majority of people are poking fun at while the (few) others just love misery.

As far as your figure line, have you reached out to Boss Fight Studios, Marauder Gun-Runners or Four Horseman Studios? They all had hugely successful Kickstarters based upon original concepts and not licensed properties.