Moria ORC PF

[mr.thrifty]

It has to be said ....


Sideshow, thats another Fiasco !!!!

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[Shai]

 

[LOTRFan]

It has to be said ....


Sideshow, thats another Fiasco !!!!

It's a shame too, because no one is more disappointed than Sideshow themselves. It is funny to read all the comments on this and other boards as if Sideshow was trying to "get one by" the fans; they are bigger fan than most on this board -- and YES, their artists catch these things. It wasn't all that long ago that they were publically lamenting their production coming from China. It is sad though, when you have a homerun like Indy - even on the costuming front - and then something goes wrong. The economy is such a fragile beast, this is the last thing Sideshow needs right now.

 

[icruise]

I wouldn't be surprised if all of the factories closing down in China have had an effect on quality.

 

[nash]

It's a shame too, because no one is more disappointed than Sideshow themselves. It is funny to read all the comments on this and other boards as if Sideshow was trying to "get one by" the fans; they are bigger fan than most on this board -- and YES, their artists catch these things. It wasn't all that long ago that they were publically lamenting their production coming from China. It is sad though, when you have a homerun like Indy - even on the costuming front - and then something goes wrong. The economy is such a fragile beast, this is the last thing Sideshow needs right now.

If Sideshow really wasn't trying to "get one by" then they wouldnt release a sub-par product. Especially one that looks significantly different from what they envisioned. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFYING why the material is redder than what it should be other than the factory screwed up and Sideshow decided to just let it go without making extra alterations and dipping into more production costs which would eat into their profit margin.

If you look at Bowen and how he's handling the paint job on the Ultron statue, that in my opinion is a TRUE FAN being disappointed with the product.

And last time I checked, no one from Sideshow was publically lamenting the China factories. It was Jerry from popcultureshock who told us that story. stop giving Sideshow too much benifit of the doubt.

 

[Mesa]

It's a shame too, because no one is more disappointed than Sideshow themselves. It is funny to read all the comments on this and other boards as if Sideshow was trying to "get one by" the fans; they are bigger fan than most on this board -- and YES, their artists catch these things. It wasn't all that long ago that they were publically lamenting their production coming from China. It is sad though, when you have a homerun like Indy - even on the costuming front - and then something goes wrong. The economy is such a fragile beast, this is the last thing Sideshow needs right now.

True, I don't think anyone is suggesting that this was intentional by SS part. But it really seems like QA is a little lacking. If this were a first time occurrence, it would be an easy pass. But there have been a little too many occurrences since I've been a fan. Let's see: Green Dead Subject 805, Stealth IM, Aragorn change of likeness and hair breakage, this Red Moria Orc, and I know there are several others that I'm forgetting.

Of course sideshow is dissapointed. But it probably didn't have to be this way. I could look up an old post of mine that I posted during the SIM or green 805 and say that if I noticed this becoming a trend with the Chinese factories, I'd pay some US representative a little extra to perform source inspection and approve the materials and decision changes during the production phase. Is that being done? How many more times does this sort of thing have to occur before its implemented?

We are paying top dollar for a top dollar item. But when this sort of thing happens to the final product, it is no longer a top dollar item with an excellent attention to detail in all aspects that we've come to expect from Sideshow. It looks cheap. Hence, the $280 price tag is not justified.

I predict that there were at least 25+ cancellations from this board alone. Add the impact of statue forum and you'll have at least that many more. So maybe 50-100 cancellations may not seem like much when were talking about an ES of 750 for Exclusive and however many more for the regular, but think about the lack of confidence that just occurred to all the new sideshow customers that probably aren't aware of these type of boards. Somebody who is an LOTR fan and just happened by this incredible statue during SDCC and said, "I have to have that," and then he finally gets it and finds that what he thought he saw and what is now in his hands aren't one and the same. He probably will be feeling a little duped and wont be coming back for more.

Fix your act SS and quit allowing these sort of poor quality, bad business decisions to occur. The people have spoken. Sure we are all fools for paying ~$300 on a statue, but we'll only do it if it's of top quality in ALL aspects. A $300 item should not require ANY post coloring/weathering by the customer at all. If I wanted to do that, I'd buy a garage kit.



Did this sort of thing happen often when Sideshow was a smaller company?

 

[FQRizzo]

If Sideshow really wasn't trying to "get one by" then they wouldnt release a sub-par product. Especially one that looks significantly different from what they envisioned. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFYING why the material is redder than what it should be other than the factory screwed up and Sideshow decided to just let it go without making extra alterations and dipping into more production costs which would eat into their profit margin.

If you look at Bowen and how he's handling the paint job on the Ultron statue, that in my opinion is a TRUE FAN being disappointed with the product.

And last time I checked, no one from Sideshow was publically lamenting the China factories. It was Jerry from popcultureshock who told us that story. stop giving Sideshow too much benifit of the doubt.

Again, Fight Club provides some wisdom:

Jack: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

You can similarly apply this the Sideshow's case, if they fixed all of them, would they make all of that money back?

 

[Agent23]

stop giving Sideshow too much benifit of the doubt.

They absolutely knew what the Moria Orc was gonna look like. And, it's not the first time this has happened. They gave us a Plastic P.F. Fett, they changed Aragorn...it continues.


This WAS a great looking piece. Now, it sucks in my opinion.

As far as people saying they will "fix it", that's bull^^^^^ in my opinion. For $300 you shouldn't have to fix it! If you bought a new washing machine for 300 - 400 $ and you got it home and it leaked, would you "fix it" by putting a bucket under the leak? Nope, you'd return it. Which is exactly what I am going to do with the Moria Orc if mine arrives like this.

Like I have been saying, SS's quality continues to decline.

I think I am going to get out of collecting altogether.

 

[LOTRFan]

If Sideshow really wasn't trying to "get one by" then they wouldnt release a sub-par product. Especially one that looks significantly different from what they envisioned. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFYING why the material is redder than what it should be other than the factory screwed up and Sideshow decided to just let it go without making extra alterations and dipping into more production costs which would eat into their profit margin.

Agreed, the bottom line is that it isn't cost effective for Sideshow to fix these now; but I don't for a minute think that they are happy about how these turned out. Essentially that was my point.

 

[Reefer Shark]

Man, hate to say it but this sucks. I really love the sculpt & paint, and it sucks that it's ruined by the cloth.

I'm just glad that the pics have been posted so I had a heads up and was able to cancel. Thanks to all that posted the pics. You just saved me $300+

 

[LOTRFan]

Did this sort of thing happen often when Sideshow was a smaller company?

As my memory serves yes, but quite a bit less frequently; and they weren't attempting such complicated costumes.

 

[Agent23]

Good luck to all the retailers trying to sell this. Not only do they not have the change of head exclusive, now they have to deal with this disaster.

This piece went from being a must have to being a warehouse dust collector for years to come in a Mines of Moria minute.

 

[icruise]

All I can say is that my droids better not have any major issues or there'll be hell to pay.

 

[Malice]

man i want this piece so much, is there anyway to take the cloth off and just weather it?

 

[The Ringer]

They shall dwell in the darkness for eternity.

 

[The Tuggernaut]

Looks ok... but the material does look like ^^^^.

I hope they don't ^^^^ up the Berserker...

 

[icruise]

man i want this piece so much, is there anyway to take the cloth off and just weather it?

I'm sure the only way to weather it would be while it's on the statue. There's no way it's coming off.

 

[monkeydad16]

All I can say is that my droids better not have any major issues or there'll be hell to pay.

I don't blame you there. If those show up deformed in any way, SS should send an employee dressed as 3PO to fill in until they are fixed!

Maybe R2 won't show up Green (see Indy PF thread).

 

[nash]

I'm sure the only way to weather it would be while it's on the statue. There's no way it's coming off.

Well if youre taking that stance, I have a question....

Name one thing in the past year or two that HASNT had at least ONE issue.

 

[LOTRFan]

Well if youre taking that stance, I have a question....

Name one thing in the past year or two that HASNT had at least ONE issue.

Couldn't that be said of almost any collectible?