Moria ORC PF

[icruise]

Well if youre taking that stance, I have a question....

Name one thing in the past year or two that HASNT had at least ONE issue.

I think maybe you quoted the wrong post, but if you're referring to the droids, I think I'm justified in having higher standards than for a $300 statue. I'm not really that picky of a person, so I'm not going to go ballistic over a tiny defect, but if it's something equivalent to this -- something that changes the look of the entire piece -- then they're going to have a lot of splainin' to do.

 

[Valarauko]

There are things that I passed on over the past 2 months, just to be sure and have the funds for this. For an additional $50 or so, I could get TWO new, awesome United Cutlery LOTR swords and I KNOW I would be getting my money's worth (they've re-released some of the original pieces and new LOTR blades are due early 2009).

 

[LOTRFan]

There are things that I passed on over the past 2 months, just to be sure and have the funds for this. For an additional $50 or so, I could get TWO new, awesome United Cutlery LOTR swords and I KNOW I would be getting my money's worth (they've re-released some of the original pieces and new LOTR blades are due early 2009).

But even UC had their QC issues -- the wooden handles on Sting and Strider's Elven Knife, and the obnoxious seam on the Elven sword. Listen, I am not trying to be an "apologist" here; but every company has their issues - and well, I guess I have just a bit of loyalty.

 

[nash]

But even UC had their QC issues -- the wooden handles on Sting and Strider's Elven Knife, and the obnoxious seam on the Elven sword. Listen, I am not trying to be an "apologist" here; but every company has their issues - and well, I guess I have just a bit of loyalty.

Loyalty should lie in buying the product....not trying to defend and justify something that clearly isn't what most people signed up to buy and a huge oversight by the company.

I'm personally still keeping my order because to me, getting that red to match the proto color isnt that big of a deal. but the fact remains it really shouldnt have to come to that. No matter how pissed or disappointed SSC is with the final product the fact of the matter remains that they did NOTHING to try to rememedy the situation. A delay could have happened and things could have been changed, but NO they did not do any of it.

Couldn't that be said of almost any collectible?

actually no. Ive bought quite a few hot toys figures that I was completely happy with and was just as it was with the proto. Same goes with master replicas props.

 

[LOTRFan]

Loyalty should lie in buying the product....not trying to defend and justify something that clearly isn't what most people signed up to buy.

Fair enough nash, I am keeping my order (with my rewards points it is almost nothing anyway); but I don't think it is as bad as many are making it. I don't like quite how bright the red came out, but it is far from a deal breaker for me. The daylight shots don't look nearly as bad as some of the first pics we saw (no offence meant); and well, even the SSW pieces have a fair amount of red on them.

Sideshow has however earned my customer loyalty, just like any business has to; I am willing to overlook minor bumps in the road - overall I am a very satisfied customer. I have turned my back on other companies (GG, etc) for the opposite. I understand why others might feel like cancelling, and of course that's their choice; I can only speak for myself.

 

[LOTRFan]

they did NOTHING to try to rememedy the situation. A delay could have happened and things could have been changed, but NO they did not do any of it.

But we don't know this for certain, right?

actually no. Ive bought quite a few hot toys figures that I was completely happy with and was just as it was with the proto. Same goes with master replicas props.

I haven't purchased anything from Hot Toys, but you are right about MR; they are usually pretty spot on!

 

[bearmodel]

True, I don't think anyone is suggesting that this was intentional by SS part. But it really seems like QA is a little lacking. If this were a first time occurrence, it would be an easy pass. But there have been a little too many occurrences since I've been a fan. Let's see: Green Dead Subject 805, Stealth IM, Aragorn change of likeness and hair breakage, this Red Moria Orc, and I know there are several others that I'm forgetting.

Of course sideshow is dissapointed. But it probably didn't have to be this way. I could look up an old post of mine that I posted during the SIM or green 805 and say that if I noticed this becoming a trend with the Chinese factories, I'd pay some US representative a little extra to perform source inspection and approve the materials and decision changes during the production phase. Is that being done? How many more times does this sort of thing have to occur before its implemented?

We are paying top dollar for a top dollar item. But when this sort of thing happens to the final product, it is no longer a top dollar item with an excellent attention to detail in all aspects that we've come to expect from Sideshow. It looks cheap. Hence, the $280 price tag is not justified.

I predict that there were at least 25+ cancellations from this board alone. Add the impact of statue forum and you'll have at least that many more. So maybe 50-100 cancellations may not seem like much when were talking about an ES of 750 for Exclusive and however many more for the regular, but think about the lack of confidence that just occurred to all the new sideshow customers that probably aren't aware of these type of boards. Somebody who is an LOTR fan and just happened by this incredible statue during SDCC and said, "I have to have that," and then he finally gets it and finds that what he thought he saw and what is now in his hands aren't one and the same. He probably will be feeling a little duped and wont be coming back for more.

Fix your act SS and quit allowing these sort of poor quality, bad business decisions to occur. The people have spoken. Sure we are all fools for paying ~$300 on a statue, but we'll only do it if it's of top quality in ALL aspects. A $300 item should not require ANY post coloring/weathering by the customer at all. If I wanted to do that, I'd buy a garage kit.



Did this sort of thing happen often when Sideshow was a smaller company?

Well said, my friend, well said...

 

[nash]

Fair enough nash, I am keeping my order (with my rewards points it is almost nothing anyway); but I don't think it is as bad as many are making it. I don't like quite how bright the red came out, but it is far from a deal breaker for me. The daylight shots don't look nearly as bad as some of the first pics we saw (no offence meant); and well, even the SSW pieces have a fair amount of red on them.

Sideshow has however earned my customer loyalty, just like any business has to; I am willing to overlook minor bumps in the road - overall I am a very satisfied customer. I have turned my back on other companies (GG, etc) for the opposite. I understand why others might feel like cancelling, and of course that's their choice; I can only speak for myself.

I'd agree with you. I also don't think this is a deal breaker...for me at least. for others I can definitely see where they are coming from. But IMO, red to brown is an easy transition anyway, even if I have to alter an original product. Not to mention, the pictures we've got so far are far from quality photos that some here can take.

 

[The Josh]

Was curious to see if this had actually started to arrive to people. Overall, it looks alright but the outfit in some very flash heavy pics looks very bright. If thats the case then thats not good by any stretch.

The talk of SS QC continuing to go down is just ignorant. I'll just cut straight to it on that. Just really plain and simple ignorant. As far as HT never having an issue well they're just like everyone else. All my POTC figures where way way too dark and m Bruce Wayne head is way too dark. It matches the darkness of the asian TT body I put it on perfectly.

 

[nash]

Was curious to see if this had actually started to arrive to people. Overall, it looks alright but the outfit in some very flash heavy pics looks very bright. If thats the case then thats not good by any stretch.

The talk of SS QC continuing to go down is just ignorant. I'll just cut straight to it on that. Just really plain and simple ignorant. As far as HT never having an issue well they're just like everyone else. All my POTC figures where way way too dark and m Bruce Wayne head is way too dark. It matches the darkness of the asian TT body I put it on perfectly.

Ignorant? It's been happening on every product. One big mishap after another. Open your eyes

 

[The Josh]

Ignorant? It's been happening on every product. One big mishap after another. Open your eyes

Yup, ignorant. Every product huh? Not really. They're open.

 

[Mesa]

The Josh, you also gave the green subject 805 a 5/5 on your review if I recall.

 

[quadcent]

well, i'm going to wait for more in hand pics before i do anything. but still most likely i'll be keeping it.

and for those thinking that they'll pick it up later on the cheap, well don't forget someone still has to buy them from ss first for them to make it into the secondary market.
even the flippers will be cancelling these if they think they can't move them on the bay, unless they take a chance and do some customs to maximize their sales.

 

[nash]

The Josh, you also gave the green subject 805 a 5/5 on your review if I recall.

 

[nash]

Yup, ignorant. Every product huh? Not really. They're open.

Have you met thenammagazine yet? You guys would get along great together.

Name one product that you feel had nothing wrong with it?

 

[The Josh]

The Josh, you also gave the green subject 805 a 5/5 on your review if I recall.

I did. Its a zombie and they can be green like that. Just because I didn't have a problem with 805 means nothing. I guess because I take a personal affront to some things means my opinion doesn't count.

Guess I should step back in the shadows.

 

[Mesa]

I did. Its a zombie and they can be green like that. Just because I didn't have a problem with 805 means nothing. I guess because I take a personal affront to some things means my opinion doesn't count.

Guess I should step back in the shadows.

No. Speak freely, it's still a free country. my point is that you are more likely to defend SS action's than speak any ill against them.

 

[The Josh]

Have you met thenammagazine yet? You guys would get along great together.

Name one product that you feel had nothing wrong with it?

I love how I can never have an opinion on anything. Doesn't matter if I don't like it I get told I'm being "x" or if I like it I get ^^^^ed with. There is no winning for me no matter what I say.

That I personally had no issues with when I got it? Indy 1:6th was fine, Indy PF, Subject 1206, Dead Babby sitters, etc. Again, these are items I personally had no issues with on the item I got.

 

[The Josh]

No. Speak freely, it's still a free country. my point is that you are more likely to defend SS action's than speak any ill against them.

Thats not true at all. If you ask anyone here who actually pays attention I say plenty about the things I don't care for. Its just those posts tend to get overlooked.

 

[Natrix]

Was curious to see if this had actually started to arrive to people. Overall, it looks alright but the outfit in some very flash heavy pics looks very bright. If thats the case then thats not good by any stretch.

The talk of SS QC continuing to go down is just ignorant. I'll just cut straight to it on that. Just really plain and simple ignorant. As far as HT never having an issue well they're just like everyone else. All my POTC figures where way way too dark and m Bruce Wayne head is way too dark. It matches the darkness of the asian TT body I put it on perfectly.

How can the QC continue to slip when it has been bad for awhile?

(Speaking from my own experiences)