Moria ORC PF

[The Josh]

Once again, despite all the physical evidence in the world, it's Josh to SS's rescue. give it up, they're not gonna give you a job.

The evidence clearly shows SS matched the actual costume. Plus I'm just giving my two cents on the issue and last I checked have all the right to do. Not sure there's a need to bust my balls about posting. Not trying for a job and oh yeah I was offered a job a few years ago by SS.

They are subsisting an inferior product than the one they advertised to be sold. It looks to me like Sideshow used/using blatantly false advertising and appear to be just short of scam artists. Does that make you feel better?

Either way, as all of the canceled orders and upset posters attest, this is not a minor issue for a lot of people. If this doesn't get addressed, I will be canceling my Berserker order as well, and from what I've read, I won't be alone. Screw-ups like this could very easily destroy the entire line if enough people cancel.

How's it inferiror? It matches the costume used in the movie as Matt has shown above. While it doesn't match the proto it does match the other. I'd personally rather have it match the actual. So again please use at least learn to use terms correctly.

 

[The Josh]

Now matter how many little happy faces you put at the end of your one liners, you really do come off as condescending and a know-it-all.

Bait and switch = showing/advertising one thing and then delivering something else. I think Badvermin has a valid point. I'm not suggesting SS was out to perform a bait and switch, but fact remains we are now getting what we were shown.

Its cause most of the time I do know what I'm talking about.

Things change for one reason or another. This change more matches the actual costume. The only issue here really is SS didn't change the pics of the site.

 

[Shai]

Not trying for a job and oh yeah I was offered a job a few years ago by SS. So stick that up your ass Loki.

sick


Pitu is a better choice.

 

[Ktjn]

Really --->

That is actually closer to what SS is offering than the prototype.

You're not getting the whole picture.

courtesy of computerfly (I don't blame him for not responding in here)

You're basically paying a higher price, in which you shouldn't be, for missing material which is pleather.

 

[Buzzie]

For me movie accuracy is more important
than prototype accuracy... so I can live
with the final statue :chew

 

[icruise]

You're basically paying a higher price, in which you shouldn't be, for missing material which is pleather.

Isn't it pleather though? It looks like it has a similar texture to it.

It looks like it just hasn't been stained/weather/painted or whatever it is they did to the proto to tone down the red. You can see that there are redder parts where the material on the proto is stitched together.

For me movie accuracy is more important
than prototype accuracy... so I can live
with the final statue :chew

Again, if anyone can show me a shot from the movie where the costumes actually looked like the statue, I might change my mind a bit.

 

[LOTRFan]

You're basically paying a higher price, in which you shouldn't be, for missing material which is pleather.

I get the picture just fine thanks, this is typical of most PFs that the individual prototype will have a significant amount of detail that just can't be reproduced x 1000's. You might remember SS themselves doing an article on how to weather the John Wayne PF to achieve a look closer to the proto.

 

[LOTRFan]

How about the piece from Kropserkel?

 

[Isildur's bane]

WOW. After reading through this thread there seems to be a few of you who just don’t want to see the real picture. It doesn’t really matter if the change occurred to make it more screen accurate or because of NL, the entire situation here cannot be justified with an excuse. It’s plain and simple, Sideshow advertised one product and we got a product with a MAJOR change. That is un-excusable no matter how you look at it.

 

[The Josh]

WOW. After reading through this thread there seems to be a few of you who just don’t want to see the real picture. It doesn’t really matter if the change occurred to make it more screen accurate or because of NL, the entire situation here cannot be justified with an excuse. It’s plain and simple, Sideshow advertised one product and we got a product with a MAJOR change. That is un-excusable no matter how you look at it.

So you'd rather have an inaccurate piece than a piece that was changed to match things correctly?

 

[JonnyReedie]

it's not a question of accuracy, it's like ordering a purple hat and getting a blue one.

 

[Hew]

So you'd rather have an inaccurate piece than a piece that was changed to match things correctly?

Look at that red herring go!

 

[The Josh]

it's not a question of accuracy, it's like ordering a purple hat and getting a blue one.

Ok. Next time I hope SS leaves a piece inaccurate so people can get what the proto looked like.

Me personally I'd rather have accuracy.

 

[The Josh]

Look at that red herring go!

There's no trying to change the subject. Its different from the proto but from what's been shown fairly well by Matt and Dave it matches the actual costume used. If people want to be up in arms about something going from inaccurate to accurate thats fine by me.

 

[Mesa]

Its cause most of the time I do know what I'm talking about.

Things change for one reason or another. This change more matches the actual costume. The only issue here really is SS didn't change the pics of the site.

I think you just proved my point.

 

[Mesa]

Actually, this is a perfect example of what is wrong with it. The material that is located on the arms/gloves/sleeves and legs/boots of the Moria Orc is maroon in color, and looks very detailed, probably because it is sculpted.

The material used on the tunic of the prototype matches the (sculpted?) arm/leg material and looks good. The material used on production piece doesn't match color or detail (looks cheap), and it's a blaring contrast. Like I said before, if they were going to go with a cheaper material due to costs, they should have just sculpted the tunic and called it a comiquette and everyone would have been fine with it.

 

[Hew]

There's no trying to change the subject. Its different from the proto but from what's been shown fairly well by Matt and Dave it matches the actual costume used. If people want to be up in arms about something going from inaccurate to accurate thats fine by me.

I understand your position, and half agree. I do understand the position of those wanting what they ordered, and half agree.

Would not the model for the proto be something (model/pic) of what was used in the film? If not what reference was used? The artist who worked on the proto did a awesome job--those who ordered expecting that weathered look have a right to be upset.

I don't think anyone who collects seriously, as a hobby, expects an exact replica of the proto, but they don't expect such a stark, noticeable difference.

 

[Polylord]

it's not a question of accuracy, it's like ordering a purple hat and getting a blue one.

Exactly! I don't really care in this case if it's screen accurate or not (we all know that most movies, and also the Lord of the Rings trilogy, undergo major color-adjustments in post-production).

I ordered this PF based on the pictures we were shown in the first place (being the prototype). I'm not at all happy with the brighter color red (don't care what "type of red" it's supposed to be), because it doesn't look like the initial pictures we were shown.

Also, I don't care what the reason is that SS decided to ship these as they are right now, whether it was NL stepping in, or cheaper material or whatever, they should have notified us immediately, like they did with the changed Aragorn sculpt. I'm still waiting for SS to at least update the pictures on the site from the prototype version to the brighter red version, so people can actually see the change.

I will still keep my order, hoping that either SS manages to "solve" the problem, or it will not be that bad once I have it in hand.

 

[Blu Falcon]

It's common knowledge that Moria Orc's don't wipe.

 

[Isildur's bane]

So you'd rather have an inaccurate piece than a piece that was changed to match things correctly?

In essence, YES. If the prototype looked WAAAAY better being inaccurate I'd rather have the piece that is aesthetically better looking. Basically, it's like saying you rather have something that looks awful as long as it's accurate.

And yes if SS had changed the pictures on the site and told us of the change before it shipped it would be fine since we could cancel. Sure some of us would still be perplexed by the change but at least we would know in advance. But the fact of the matter is, SS didn't notify the collectors.