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Re: My Custom 1/6th Heath Joker nearing completion, pic heavy

Or you could just admit that these head sculpts are overpriced but that YOU personally don't mind paying that amount to get what you want.

If I'm willing to pay it, it's not overpriced to me. Overpriced = not worth the money. I consider it worth the money. Therefore, it's not overpriced. Not being able to afford something != overpriced. Seems to me like it's just sour grapes over not wanting or being able to obtain one. I don't see why you're so adamant about proving to those of us that are commissioning the sculpts that we're wrong.
 
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All I can say is that an artist who doesn't make his precious art available to everyone and keeps it for himself and/or a small group of people is the saddest thing there can be. Just picture a virtuouso Violinist playing beautiful music alone, in a room, while he could be doing it in a park for everyone to enjoy. Mozart played his wonderful music for both Kings and Paupers reaching so many people that today he's recognized as one of the most important (if not the most) figures in Music.

And then this picture comes to mind:

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Not being able to afford something != overpriced.

:duh

$10 for a $1 can of soda = Overpriced. Doesn't matter if there's people out there willing to pay that amount. That doesn't magically change the fact that it's overpriced.

Let me guess, you must also think there's people who can't afford $10 right?

$1 for a 35 cent pack of gum = overpriced.

Guess people must not be able to afford $1 right?

Learn to read and maybe you'll get it. I clearly said just because YOU or anyone else doesn't have a problem with paying for these head sculpts doesn't mean they aren't overpriced. It just means you and a select few don't have a problem spending that amount. Fact remains, they're overpriced.
 
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Art isn't the same thing as a can of soda or a pack of gum. The value is totally subjective.
 
Re: My Custom 1/6th Heath Joker nearing completion, pic heavy

:duh

$10 for a $1 can of soda = Overpriced. Doesn't matter if there's people out there willing to pay that amount. That doesn't magically change the fact that it's overpriced.

Let me guess, you must also think there's people who can't afford $10 right?

$1 for a 35 cent pack of gum = overpriced.

Guess people must not be able to afford $1 right?

Learn to read and maybe you'll get it. I clearly said just because YOU or anyone else doesn't have a problem with paying for these head sculpts doesn't mean they aren't overpriced. It just means you and a select few don't have a problem spending that amount. Fact remains, they're overpriced.

if you look at these custom heads or any custom work on this board as a "pack of gum" or "can of soda" then i think you're sorely missing the point, and are being quite disrespectful to the people that created them. this is art, not a factory manufactured product. there is no "overpriced" in art. what something is worth is totally subjective and neither you nor anyone else can slap a price tag on it.

as for those who are calling adam selfish for not releasing his heads.... he IS offering them. if you can't afford it, learn to sculpt. i would dearly love one but can't afford it. so i let it go. it's his prerogative, and i'm not gonna bich and moan about it just because it's my problem.


EDIT - obsoloteman beat me to it!
 
Re: My Custom 1/6th Heath Joker nearing completion, pic heavy

If all you want out of a forum is new pics and updates, perhaps this isn't the place for you. Discussion = Forum

I think discussion of how great of a guy Adam is should have it's own thread rather than taking up space here....

Even though Adam is pretty cool...:monkey3
 
Re: My Custom 1/6th Heath Joker nearing completion, pic heavy

Art isn't the same thing as a can of soda or a pack of gum. The value is totally subjective.

as for those who are calling adam selfish for not releasing his heads.... he IS offering them. if you can't afford it, learn to sculpt. i would dearly love one but can't afford it. so i let it go. it's his prerogative, and i'm not gonna bich and moan about it just because it's my problem.

:lecture

As for these being overpriced, it is somewhat subjective. I feel that some statues around here are way overpriced as all you are getting for your woonga is a lump of polystone or whatever. Are they overpriced? Well surely, that would depend on if you are into them or not.

As for Adam being selfish, that is ridiculous. Adam is being generous to offer any of these at all. Don't want to speak for him, but I feel he was never going to make any of them available and it took a LOT of persuasion over many months to try and get one off of him. As I have said before, he had/has every right to keep these for himself, so to make them available at all is fantastic and something I am most thankful for.

Anywaaaays, THANK YOU ADAM and blakus I look forward to updates and seeing what magic you can work for me. :D
 
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The word "generous" doesn't apply to this situation and is being used very loosely. He's doing no one a favor. He's getting paid his asking price by some of you. And he has sold headsculpts before at this forums which means the benefit has been reciprocal: He's made money and people have been enjoying his headsculpts.
On another note, let me do some comparisons:
Xenoviper's work is just as amazing as Imaresqd1's. His latest headsculpt, Edward Scissorhands, is the most accurate Johnny Depp likeness there is, with an amazing paint job and non sculpted hair. While his price is not cheap, no one has complained about his work being overpriced. He is well respected and admired in this community. The same goes for Z's head sculpts. Great likeness and an affordable price. These customizers have adapted their prices to be accessible to a great percentage of the people in this community. After all, why come here to be part of a community as an artist if you can't make your services accessible for the most people possible. I am not saying that they should give away their work for free. But why not make it available to more freaks and still make money?
Another example is the guy (sorry forgot his name) who made that wonderful bat-signal. He offered it here first at a reasonable price. Later, when his freaks' preorders where filled, he made one (or more, don't remember) to put on ebay. He cashed in selling it for around $700-$800. But he gave this community a chance at it first for a reasonable price.
Yes, you can say "It's his right to charge whatever he wants", "No one is forcing you to buy it", "Art has no determined value, it's subjective", etc., etc., yet still, the price and lack of accessibility of this headsculpt for this community has caused frustration and call it "sour grapes" or whatever, but the artist isn't exactly earning people's respect.
 
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I just want to add to the growing support of Adam!!!

I cant believe somebody would call this guy selfish, how is that justified? And am i not right in thinking if somebody is willing to pay x amount for something then is it not worth x amount to that person which is surely what its all about no?

But like it has been stated we cant compare a pack of gum to a time consuming amazingly crafted sculpt like this. Its just not a comparison!

Can we please stop with the negativity and get back onto topic. I believe in a discussion and not just posts and updates but their is currently no need for what is happening of late.
 
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Bottom line for me is if you cant afford it dont post your negative comments because sour grapes is all it looks like
 
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I cant believe somebody would call this guy selfish, how is that justified? And am i not right in thinking if somebody is willing to pay x amount for something then is it not worth x amount to that person which is surely what its all about no?




I can't find the post where someone is actually using the word selfish to describe him.
 
Re: My Custom 1/6th Heath Joker nearing completion, pic heavy

The word "generous" doesn't apply to this situation and is being used very loosely. He's doing no one a favor. He's getting paid his asking price by some of you. And he has sold headsculpts before at this forums which means the benefit has been reciprocal: He's made some money and people have been enjoying his headsculpts.
On another note, let me do some comparisons:
Xenoviper's work is just as amazing as Imaresqd1's. His latest headsculpt, Edward Scissorhands, is the most accurate Johnny Depp likeness there is, with an amazing paint job and non sculpted hair. While his price is not cheap, no one has complained about his work being overpriced. He is well respected and admired in this community. The same goes for Z's head sculpts. Great likeness and an affordable price. These customizers have adapted their prices to be accessible to a great percentage of the people in this community. After all, why come here to be part of a community as an artist if you can't make your services accessible for the most people possible. I am not saying that they should give away their work. But why not make it available to more freaks and still make money?
Another example is the guy (sorry forgot his name) who made that wonderful bat-signal. He offered it here first at a reasonable price. Later, when his freaks preorders where filled, he made one (or more, don't remember) to put on ebay. He cashed in selling it for around $700-$800. But he gave this community a chance at it first for a reasonable price.
Yes, you can say "It's his right to charge whatever he wants", "No one is forcing you to buy it", "Art has no determined value, it's subjective", etc., etc., yet still, the price and lack of accessibility of this headsculpt for this community has caused frustration and call it "sour grapes" or whatever, but the artist isn't exactly earning people's respect.

he's earned my respect for creating something amazing. why is it that everything posted on this board has to do with ownership? it's all about wanting to GET something. and if you can't have it, it results in frustration? what about people coming on here just to show their work? i remember when wofford first had his bruce wayne head commissioned and people were hounding him to release it. eventually, he did an amazing thing and did give others a chance to get it. but people should have been happy with just seeing that art, not immediately thinking, "i want it!"

and i'm not sure if you're a customizer or not (i think maybe you are?) but even selling something, for whatever price, that you have spent hours toiling over can still be a generous act. adam has time and again expressed that he never wished to sell these heads but did after heavy persuasion and yes, also a larger amount of money than perhaps you or i are used to paying. he came on here to SHOW his work. god forbid anyone come on here just to show something they've proudly created.

xenoviper is a consummate professional and i appreciate every single thing he does - his heads are amazing. same goes for les and darren and kuato, and the dozens of other guys. but maybe for adam, it's harder to let each one of these go.

whatever, i think those of you who are still moaning about the price and how "selfish" adam is need to step off out of this board (i feel sorry for blakus since his thread that started out really positively has been turned to this) and start a new one entitled "i come on this board to BUY and RECEIVE - so what's with all these artists posting their work just for us to look at?" because that's basically what it comes down to. this whole community concept seems to be entirely too one-sided to me. it seems it's no longer a community if a few individuals aren't getting what they want whenever they want it.
 
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spot on dude!

and for me its another simple message, if you havent got anything nice to say then dont say anything at all!!!

he's earned my respect for creating something amazing. why is it that everything posted on this board has to do with ownership? it's all about wanting to GET something. and if you can't have it, it results in frustration? what about people coming on here just to show their work? i remember when wofford first had his bruce wayne head commissioned and people were hounding him to release it. eventually, he did an amazing thing and did give others a chance to get it. but people should have been happy with just seeing that art, not immediately thinking, "i want it!"

and i'm not sure if you're a customizer or not (i think maybe you are?) but even selling something, for whatever price, that you have spent hours toiling over can still be a generous act. adam has time and again expressed that he never wished to sell these heads but did after heavy persuasion and yes, also a larger amount of money than perhaps you or i are used to paying. he came on here to SHOW his work. god forbid anyone come on here just to show something they've proudly created.

xenoviper is a consummate professional and i appreciate every single thing he does - his heads are amazing. same goes for les and darren and kuato, and the dozens of other guys. but maybe for adam, it's harder to let each one of these go.

whatever, i think those of you who are still moaning about the price and how "selfish" adam is need to step off out of this board (i feel sorry for blakus since his thread that started out really positively has been turned to this) and start a new one entitled "i come on this board to BUY and RECEIVE - so what's with all these artists posting their work just for us to look at?" because that's basically what it comes down to. this whole community concept seems to be entirely too one-sided to me. it seems it's no longer a community if a few individuals aren't getting what they want whenever they want it.
 
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and i'm not sure if you're a customizer or not (i think maybe you are?) but even selling something, for whatever price, that you have spent hours toiling over can still be a generous act. adam has time and again expressed that he never wished to sell these heads but did after heavy persuasion and yes, also a larger amount of money than perhaps you or i are used to paying. he came on here to SHOW his work. god forbid anyone come on here just to show something they've proudly created.

With all due respect eight :), I think you got the concept of generosity a little wrong:
Definition of Generosity from Wiki:
Generosity is the habit of giving freely without coercion. Often equated with charity as a virtue, generosity is widely accepted in society as a desirable trait.

Generosity is a guiding principle for many registered charities, foundations and non-profit organizations.

Generosity can also be spending time, money, or labour, for others, without being rewarded in return.


spot on dude!

and for me its another simple message, if you havent got anything nice to say then dont say anything at all!!!


Just a reminder that this is just a discussion with different points of view. ;)
 
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Definition of Generosity:
Generosity is the habit of giving freely without coercion. Often equated with charity as a virtue, generosity is widely accepted in society as a desirable trait.

Generosity is a guiding principle for many registered charities, foundations and non-profit organizations.

Generosity can also be spending time, money, or labour, for others, without being rewarded in return.


Just a reminder that this is just a discussion with different points of view. We all think different ;)

i agree, but i think we should acknowledge that there are differing degrees of generosity. and not all generosity can be judged on a monetary basis.

and yes, we all think differently, but some of us have a penchant for thinking negatively, and raining on parades.which isn't necessarily a bad thing - we need those opinions too. but there's also the respect and consideration issue. for blakus and adam.
 
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why on earth would Adam want to give up his own precious free time after doing his studies to start a painstakingly time consuming project like this to then give it away, thats not genorisity my friend thats stupidity
 
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Haha still going guys :p Nah it's cool i don't mind, it is a discussion forum and i don't mind reading all the opinions. I havn't posted any updates btw because i've been quite busy working on my project car(s) to do any tweaks just yet, and now that i've finally got some spare time, it's about time for game-oclock (just picked up Assassins Creed II) :D But more little tweaks coming soon. Weathered pants, and finally a proper purple coat liner ;)
 
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Hey Blakus how you doing matey, i am going to be getting an Adam sculpt actually like yours i love it so much! Might need you to do some mods to my joker clothes etc if that is something you would be ok with buddy?

Cheers mate
 
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You're going to love AC2. Especially if you enjoyed the first one. They've added and improved so much, the first one just seems like a tech demo in comparison.
 
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