That wasn't said but Deng is a pretty good player. I'd guess Deng and 2 picks or something like that. If they do a sign and trade that doesn't kill them being able to get another max guy because of how the rules work. Thats why teams do sign and trades. They wouldn't trade Rose, Noah, or probably Hinrich. They do have some other young guys that teams covet we could deal though and not lose anything.
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That wasn't said but Deng is a pretty good player. I'd guess Deng and 2 picks or something like that. If they do a sign and trade that doesn't kill them being able to get another max guy because of how the rules work. Thats why teams do sign and trades. They wouldn't trade Rose, Noah, or probably Hinrich. They do have some other young guys that teams covet we could deal though and not lose anything.
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That makes even less sense.There's nothing between Orlando/Clev or James/Howard. I like both guy guys and think both guys are quite classy. Howard doesn't get enough respect for his game.
Whats there to make sense of? Some people you just like some you don't. I think LBJ is way overrated and I don't like him.
That guy comes off like the sleaziest used car salesman in town. I'm sure he would do anything it took to win, though. Ethics, shmethics.
Please, no politics here. LBJ did what he thought was best at the time based on the information he was given. I place more blame on Bob McNamara and the American public.
I suppose. Can't agree at all that he's overrated but different strokes for different folks. I think him and Howard are two of the top players in the league.
He does. At the college level that doesn't go well but at the pro level he can do some of that and its not against the rules. The guy can win as a coach and if it gets Lebron/Wade/Bosh I'm cool.
Lakers have much more to offer than Chi in a sign and trade.
While the Hornets lack money or any real talent beyond Chris Paul, they do have New Orleans to offer, and. . .Lebron could feel that he was going good things for the poor, suffering African American community there. That can only help his "brand." The choice is pretty clear, IMO.
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For those who didnt see this on ESPN yet I thought it was pretty hilarious
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Cleveland doesn't want Odum or Bynum though. They probably don't even want Gasol. If they do part with LeBron that puts the Cavs on a rebuilding schedule. They would need youth, not high priced role players that would otherwise form a crappy team without the benefit of a superstar like Kobe or LeBron.
So where did all this trade stuff come from all the sudden? The Cavs still have a shot to keep him; they just gotta get rid of a lot of the others so they can afford another guy. Shaq's contract comes off the books as well, not sure if anyone else becomes a free agent or not. Maybe a sign and trade with the suns for Amare 
Folks have been speculating about a Lebron trade since his free agent period first started looming. No one knows what goes on in his mind, but if you figure that he wants to win championships, and hasn't been able to do it in Cleveland up to this point, maybe he would like to go elsewhere.
This brings up something I was thinking last night, listening to the post-game commentary. Funny that some have suggested he doesn't want to go to Miami because he would have to share the spotlight with Wade, and basically wants to win a title on his own. But the fact that he hasn't been able to win in Cleveland means that he needs help. Same thing with Kobe. He won with Shaq, then lost by himself and starting _____ing and moaning, then the Lakers got Gasol and they became winners again and now he's happy, but Kobe never really seemed to want to team up with another top-tier superstar. Gasol isn't considered a top-tier athlete apparently, on the order of a Lebron, Wade, or Duncan (though he should be). So, I guess Kobe can still feel like he is basically winning one by himself even though he isn't.
Lebron probably wants a similar situation--not to team up with another major all-star, but with other much-better-than-average-but-not-quite-superstar players who can help him win. Like a Gasol, Bosh, or Stoudemire-type. Maybe even a Deron Williams (he should be considered a serious superstar player, but is never in those conversations).
This brings up something I was thinking last night, listening to the post-game commentary. Funny that some have suggested he doesn't want to go to Miami because he would have to share the spotlight with Wade, and basically wants to win a title on his own. But the fact that he hasn't been able to win in Cleveland means that he needs help. Same thing with Kobe. He won with Shaq, then lost by himself and starting _____ing and moaning, then the Lakers got Gasol and they became winners again and now he's happy, but Kobe never really seemed to want to team up with another top-tier superstar. Gasol isn't considered a top-tier athlete apparently, on the order of a Lebron, Wade, or Duncan (though he should be). So, I guess Kobe can still feel like he is basically winning one by himself even though he isn't.
Lebron probably wants a similar situation--not to team up with another major all-star, but with other much-better-than-average-but-not-quite-superstar players who can help him win. Like a Gasol, Bosh, or Stoudemire-type. Maybe even a Deron Williams (he should be considered a serious superstar player, but is never in those conversations).
Well you know the Cavs are gonna try and pull something. Yeah, some guys that come to mind are Amare, Bosh, D.Williams, maybe even Dirk would all be good fits.............theres a lot of options, but I think the players they have to keep are Verejao, Jamison, Parker, and West. I know a lot of ppl like Joe Johnson as a top free agent, but his stock went way down after that Orlando series; he showed some mental weakness in that one and he didnt play well at all being the best on that team.
Sounds like you're describing Lebron here against the Celtics. Maybe those guys would work well together
I wouldn't call them crappy but I agree that the Cavs won't want Odum or Bynum (ones old and one can't stay healthy). So the Bulls have way more they can offer than the Lakers. Plus LA is strapped cash wise so even if they make a deal they can't bring anyone else in.
Sounds like you're describing Lebron here against the Celtics. Maybe those guys would work well together
uh.........well Lebron had like 27pts, 19reb, and 10assts last night, and he had a bad game. How many other players with those numbers in a game would say they didnt play well?
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he still didn't show why he was the MVP even with those numbers, it's not just numbers it leadership and he had none. but there is a difference between a regular season mvp and a post season mvp. he still has work work ahead of him.
He did have 9 turnovers in that triple double thats not good. Numbers don't always tell the truth like was said above. He lead pretty well but I think maybe mentally he wore down. Having to carry them so much in the playoffs and maybe being banged up worse than what we know. Its not the first time a great player has had issues with this in the post season.
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LeBron's the MVP because without him that Cavs team wouldn't win 30 games, even in the weak eastern conf.
Without Kobe, I bet a Gasol led Lakers would perform about as well as the Grizzlies always did...around 45-50 wins.
Without Kobe, I bet a Gasol led Lakers would perform about as well as the Grizzlies always did...around 45-50 wins.
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It's a team game. Lebron played decent enough but where were his teammates? Sure Mo Williams had 22 Points but he disappeared after the 1st half. Antawn Jamison? 5pts, 9 in the previous game? Wasn't he the deal breaker for the CAVS.
Oh well Welcome to my New York Knicks Lebron
I agree. Without him the Cavs wouldn't be much at all. As far as the Lakers go with the roster they have and no Kobe I'd say 50 wins. The west is really tough.
It's a team game. Lebron played decent enough but where were his teammates? Sure Mo Williams had 22 Points but he disappeared after the 1st half. Antawn Jamison? 5pts, 9 in the previous game? Wasn't he the deal breaker for the CAVS.
Oh well Welcome to my New York Knicks Lebron
Thats the thing. Guys have to step up. One of the issues for the Bulls back in the day was it was always MJ. Getting Scottie, Horace, Paxson, Rodman, Kukoc, etc to play well is what made them winners. Gave Jordan that extra edge above his greatness.
The chances of him going to NY is pretty damn small man. No reports out there say anything about NY being a big deal. They have nothing to build around even two superstars.
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