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[jstep13]

There's only so much you can teach a moron. That 'bench' had a guy score 35 points with 7 three pointers last night, and another guy snag 19 rebounds. How you can say a team has no Heart when they haven't even play a single post season game is beyond me. In fact, to say they have no 'heart' after dealing with teh adversity they dealt with enough to finish the season with the 3rd best record in the NBA is beyond me. Finally, the have a closer, if you need a refresher I'll be happy to link you to a copy of the Heat's 06 championship video... picking up around the point were D-wade scored the last 17 points in a regular season showdown against THEN champion Detroit to propell us into the post-season. Like I said, there's only so much a small brain like yours can handle in one sitting...So I'll just let the Heat's winning do the talking.

One thing I will say is that the above posting is proof that the Heat are in a lose-lose situation even if they Win the championship. If they lose every one will laugh and say 'i told you so', if they win its not because of their own merits its because the Celtics imploded or the Bulls were inexperienced or the Lakers were hurt, blah, blah blah.

In the end I could care less what most people think. I'll be estaticaly happy when we win it all.

Ad hominem attacks aside, the fallacy in your so-called reply is laughable. As Nosferatu clearly stated, the STARTERS SAT last night. Obviously someone has to score. Game #82 doesnt make up for the previous 81 games. Whats the bench scoring average for the previous 81 games? The bench cant score very much when they dont get the ball from the other 3 ball hogs. And when those 3 do slump, do you really think the bench guys are just going to magically start shooting lights out against quality PLAYOFF TEAMS?

To your next point, I can say THEY HAVE NO HEART because their record against REAL COMPETITION is atrocious (oh, sorry, that's means bad for you, short bus). Their 4th quarter shooting when the game is on the line is even worse. Now maybe in your world, having heart is beating crappy teams and showing up for the first 3 quarters mean something. But to fans that actually FOLLOW CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS, that line of thinking is a bit "loserish."

Finally, no doubt Wade is a great player as is LeBrick. But picking out tidbits of scoring here and there doesnt make you a great closer. Its all about consistency. Granted, Wade had one, nice little run in 2006. But it took Shaq to get him over the hump as well as one of the most legendary of choke teams (the Mavs) for him to be a champion. Basically it took a PERFECT STORM. What has he done before that and since. NADA.

So, I know you're menstrating right now and probably a little crampy so Ill cut you some slack. But your argument is WEAK like your attacks, your team, your Heat heroes and probably everything else in your pathetic little life.

 

[Wake]

I don't have a lot of time to reply in length to your post right now so I've thrown together a quick little rebuttal...

Wade is 6th in the NBA since 2003 in game winning shots. Look it up. And you can devalue our championship season all you like, but the fact is to insinuate that the Heat had nothing to do with melting down the Mavericks is asinine. Furthermore, it behooves you to abstain from mocking Wade's accomplishments by claiming that he needed Shaq's support, after all how many championships did Tim Duncan win by himself? Or Jordan? Or Bird? Or Magic? Surely you're not suggesting that those players were also incapable of winning by themselves?

Wade was hurt in 2007 and the Heat won 15 games. The next year? He came back and lead the league in scoring and PER and, in essence, single-handedly was responsible for an improvement of +29 games.

And. admittedly, the Heat were terrible early in the season against elite competition... HOWEVER, they fared much better in the final three games against such teams. Throttling your Spurs, beating the Lakers for a second time, and dismantling the Celtics, winning all three games against ELITE opponents, by a scoring margin of +20.


One other thing... I'm going to ignore your personal attacks on my life. As you couldn't possibly gather much information from this board. How are you to know or comment on what kind of existence I lead? But, having read your posts and gotten to know your way of thinking, it kind of fits your dimwitted MO. (That's Modus Operandi in case you don't know what it stands for.)

 

[Wake]

This the last time I write to you Jstep. I'm placing you on ignore.

 

[FlyAndFight]

I dont understand why Heat fans think anyone is scared of the Heat. Seriously educate me on this. WTF have the Heat done exactly to intimidate anyone? They have no bench, they have no heart and they have no closers.

If they make it to the Finals by some miracle chance, AND I MEAN MIRACLE, its only because A) Celtics tinkered their team out of playoff success B)Bulls shrivel under playoff pressure C) Magic are just too one dimensional to be a threat

So if thats what Heat fans mean by fear, defaulting to the playoffs, then by all means, people "fear" them. But its not because the Heat bring anything to the table.

So please educate me and tell me what you see that NO ONE ELSE does, outside of Miami?

My post delt specifically with the Lakers (and their fans) fear (call it "concern" if you prefer) of meeting up with the Heat in the Finals. Again, LA does not match-up well with the HEAT. Nothing more complicated than that. If I was a Laker fan, I would be hoping that any other team from the East makes it to the finals instead. (once again, assuming that LA makes it as well...)

As a Heat fan, I would be more concerned meeting up with the Mavs who we have not been able to match up well in the past.

Was that so difficult to understand?

Ironically, if you read back through the posts, you'll notice that the majority of insulting posts are made by those fans of the other teams.

Go back and find any insulting post that I have made. You won't find one.

And Wake once again brings up an excellent point that we've both have brought up before. It's a no win scenerio regardless of what the Heat do. But the fact is that if they do win out, those excuses won't mean a thing.

 

[jstep13]

I don't have a lot of time to reply in length to your post right now so I've thrown together a quick little rebuttal...

Wade is 6th in the NBA since 2003 in game winning shots. Look it up. And you can devalue our championship season all you like, but the fact is to insinuate that the Heat had nothing to do with melting down the Mavericks is asinine. Furthermore, it behooves you to abstain from mocking Wade's accomplishments by claiming that he needed Shaq's support, after all how many championships did Tim Duncan win by himself? Or Jordan? Or Bird? Or Magic? Surely you're not suggesting that those players were also incapable of winning by themselves?

Wade was hurt in 2007 and the Heat won 15 games. The next year? He came back and lead the league in scoring and PER and, in essence, single-handedly was responsible for an improvement of +29 games.

And. admittedly, the Heat were terrible early in the season against elite competition... HOWEVER, they fared much better in the final three games against such teams. Throttling your Spurs, beating the Lakers for a second time, and dismantling the Celtics, winning all three games against ELITE opponents, by a scoring margin of +20.


One other thing... I'm going to ignore your personal attacks on my life. As you couldn't possibly gather much information from this board. How are you to know or comment on what kind of existence I lead? But, having read your posts and gotten to know your way of thinking, it kind of fits your dimwitted MO. (That's Modus Operandi in case you don't know what it stands for.)

Please reference your source regarding Wade being 6th because all the sites I find show him well below 6th. This website has him listed as 10th with a whopping FG% of .275, ranking behind such legendary chuckers as Joe Johnson, Ben Gordon, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter etc.

https://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

In addition a poll I found ranked by his PEERS has him ranked at 2% who they would want taking the last shot. Not exactly reassuring that your fellow peers don’t even trust you with the ball in the final seconds. Oh and LeBron? 3% ROFLMAO....

https://thelakersnation.com/blog/2009/02/12/190-nba-players-polled-they-want-kobe-to-take-last-shot/

That’s nice he lead the league in scoring, doesn’t exactly equate to winning championships now does it? Or being clutch? Or having heart?

Finally, I think you need to place me on ignore (aka BE A QUITTER) because it’s obvious that I am dominating your feeble mind which is leading you to have fits of rage towards myself (as well as others, incidentally) which is the sign of someone who is getting frustrated at constantly being ridiculed by myself as well as EVERY OTHER MEMBER here. You are a running joke and laughing stock of this thread and which is probably going to lead to your banishment from this forum sooner than later.

 

[IronLungs31]

Finally the playoffs start this weekend...

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Ya the heat have all the answers for our bigs. You guys wont even make it that far.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Oh and < LOL AT WAKES LATEST TANTRUM

 

[IronLungs31]

Boy this thread is about to get really filthy.

 

[jstep13]

My post delt specifically with the Lakers (and their fans) fear (call it "concern" if you prefer) of meeting up with the Heat in the Finals. Again, LA does not match-up well with the HEAT. Nothing more complicated than that. If I was a Laker fan, I would be hoping that any other team from the East makes it to the finals instead. (once again, assuming that LA makes it as well...)

As a Heat fan, I would be more concerned meeting up with the Mavs who we have not been able to match up well in the past.

Was that so difficult to understand?

Ironically, if you read back through the posts, you'll notice that the majority of insulting posts are made by those fans of the other teams.

Go back and find any insulting post that I have made. You won't find one.

And Wake once again brings up an excellent point that we've both have brought up before. It's a no win scenerio regardless of what the Heat do. But the fact is that if they do win out, those excuses won't mean a thing.

All you keep saying is they dont "match up well" which is the new buzz word of the pundits. But its a GENERALIZATION. If you break it down position by position, Lakers match up EXTREMELY well vs. Heat.

PF? Gasol over Bosh
SF? LeBron over Artest except Artest can D LeBron and least make him work
C? Bynum over Z
PG? Fisher over Chalmers/Bibby
SG? Kobe over Wade

Bench? Not even close, Lakers. They have Odom coming off the bench for pete's sake, lol
Coaching? Not even close, Phil

So please explain to me, SPECIFICALLY, how the Heat match up so well against the Lakers?

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Boy this thread is about to get really filthy.

About too? seems to have already started. I don't care for Wakes constant boasting of how great lol) Miami is but it's gotten personal and for me; honestly, unnecessary. This is one of the reasons I have slowed on the posting in this thread.

Obviously there are plenty out there that like it when this kind of stuff gets personal and you guys can have at it but some of us just want to talk about basketball with a ribbing here and there.

Rant done, sorry about that. By the by this was not directed at you IL this is just a generalization of this thread as of late.

 

[IronLungs31]

About too? seems to have already started. I don't care for Wakes constant boasting of how great lol) Miami is but it's gotten personal and for me; honestly, unnecessary. This is one of the reasons I have slowed on the posting in this thread.

Obviously there are plenty out there that like it when this kind of stuff gets personal and you guys can have at it but some of us just want to talk about basketball with a ribbing here and there.

Rant done, sorry about that. By the by this was not directed at you IL this is just a generalization of this thread as of late.

It's all good and know exactly what you're talking about. But I will say this...if they (Miami) wins the title. We might as well shut this thread down, because none of us in here will have the ammo to shut him up for what he's going to unleash on us...

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

true.......

 

[Wake]

If... WHEN... the Heat win... I hope to god the THREAD stays OPEN cuz I'd at least deserve some gloating based on the amount of constant attacking I've faced.

It's like my humanity is being questioned.

 

[NosferatuBill36]

From JStep's link about game-winning shots:

Carmelo Anthony 13 for 27 .48%


WOW. I had no idea Melo's game winning % was THAT good. He's already hit 2 game winning shots this season for New York, but still, his shooting % for game winners is better than his normal shooting %.

lol

 

[FlyAndFight]

All you keep saying is they dont "match up well" which is the new buzz word of the pundits. But its a GENERALIZATION. If you break it down position by position, Lakers match up EXTREMELY well vs. Heat.

PF? Gasol over Bosh
SF? LeBron over Artest except Artest can D LeBron and least make him work
C? Bynum over Z
PG? Fisher over Chalmers/Bibby
SG? Kobe over Wade

Bench? Not even close, Lakers. They have Odom coming off the bench for pete's sake, lol
Coaching? Not even close, Phil

So please explain to me, SPECIFICALLY, how the Heat match up so well against the Lakers?

PF? Gasol over Bosh - Bosh has dominated the stats. see * below
SF? LeBron over Artest except Artest can D LeBron and least make him work - This one made me laugh. LeBron has dominated the Lakers just in the last 4 meetings. See ** below.
C? Bynum over Z - I'll give you this one, as the Heat utilize a 3 man rotation at center.
PG? Fisher over Chalmers/Bibby - at the very least, I call it a draw. And I give Fisher more credit than others do. He is crucial to that team.
SG? Kobe over Wade - ridiculous. That's your hate leaking through. Wade has had the upper hand this season.

* Miami at Los Angeles
Points: L. James 27 P. Gasol 17
Rebounds: C. Bosh 13 L. Odom 9
Assists: L. James 10 K. Bryant 7
Steals: L. James 4 D. Fisher 2
Blocks: Z. Ilgauskas 2 A. Bynum 1


* Los Angeles at Miami
Points: K. Bryant 24 C. Bosh 24
Rebounds: A. Bynum 12 C. Bosh 9
Assists: R. Artest 6 L. James 9
Steals: R. Artest 3 D. Wade 4
Blocks: A. Bynum 1 D. Wade 1

**LeBron vs. Lakers, Past 4 Games

PPG 27.3
RPG 7.0
APG 9.3
FG pct 49.3
Team W-L 4-0

About too? seems to have already started. I don't care for Wakes constant boasting of how great lol) Miami is but it's gotten personal and for me; honestly, unnecessary. This is one of the reasons I have slowed on the posting in this thread.

Obviously there are plenty out there that like it when this kind of stuff gets personal and you guys can have at it but some of us just want to talk about basketball with a ribbing here and there.

Rant done, sorry about that. By the by this was not directed at you IL this is just a generalization of this thread as of late.

I'm with you. I understand the team loyalty and enjoy the occassional ribbing but the constant personal attacks and flippant remarks being posted are honestly tiresome. Whatever.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

saying the heat matchup well against the lakers is hilarious..

heat fans really have no basketball IQ

 

[Wake]

saying the heat matchup well against the lakers is hilarious..

heat fans really have no basketball IQ

How are you going to refute the idea? FlyandFight just gave you a crap ton of statistical evidence to the contrary and all you offer is a insult?

Where is there a huge advantage for the Lakers? The Heat are vulnerable to speedy point guards and you have none. Instead the Heat have two players that either of which can negate your best player. Dwyane Wade had Kobe taking 33 foot jumpers at the end of the second game in Miami. He couldn't get to the rim.

 

[jstep13]

PF? Gasol over Bosh - Bosh has dominated the stats. see * below
SF? LeBron over Artest except Artest can D LeBron and least make him work - This one made me laugh. LeBron has dominated the Lakers just in the last 4 meetings. See ** below.
C? Bynum over Z - I'll give you this one, as the Heat utilize a 3 man rotation at center.
PG? Fisher over Chalmers/Bibby - at the very least, I call it a draw. And I give Fisher more credit than others do. He is crucial to that team.
SG? Kobe over Wade - ridiculous. That's your hate leaking through. Wade has had the upper hand this season.

* Miami at Los Angeles
Points: L. James 27 P. Gasol 17
Rebounds: C. Bosh 13 L. Odom 9
Assists: L. James 10 K. Bryant 7
Steals: L. James 4 D. Fisher 2
Blocks: Z. Ilgauskas 2 A. Bynum 1


* Los Angeles at Miami
Points: K. Bryant 24 C. Bosh 24
Rebounds: A. Bynum 12 C. Bosh 9
Assists: R. Artest 6 L. James 9
Steals: R. Artest 3 D. Wade 4
Blocks: A. Bynum 1 D. Wade 1

**LeBron vs. Lakers, Past 4 Games

PPG 27.3
RPG 7.0
APG 9.3
FG pct 49.3
Team W-L 4-0

I seriously hope youre not projecting a 7 game FINALS series off 2 meaningless regular season games. You do know that team A has beaten team B in the regular season to only have team B dominate playoff series routinely? Im projecting based off past playoff performances. I stand behind my position.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Size. Experience. And we're. Not crybaby quitters. Nuff said.