NBA 10-11

[azurepred]

this Melo trade is overrated imo. Great player, but that team doesnt have any defense and their coach never preaches it. You cant win that way no matter how much talent you have, and the knicks are pretty short on talent now. Obviosuly they cant contend this year, but next year, i dont even see them being better than Bos, Miami, Chi, or Orlando with this roster. Once Howard leaves Orlando, and Bos poops out, then maybe they have a shot to contend. Amare and Melo arent really known for making their teammates better either, so that works against them too.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Kobe is a genius, and I'm not saying that because the lakers are my team, because I actually don't like kobe that much. Magic is my favorite Laker. Kobe is definately talented, but there are more naturally gifted atheletes then kobe IMO. Tracy Magrady(in his prime) and Lebron I think have more natural talent then kobe. What sets kobe apart from the rest is that he is mentally tougher then anyone in the league and his drive to be the best is relentless. His work ethic and persistance is unmatched. He is like the terminator, he never dies. Just keeps getting back up for more. To stop kobe you have to chop off his legs and arms. And even after that, he'll still find away. Lebron is a better and more talented player IMO, but kobe's WILL is what puts him past Lebron. Kobe is a Demon.

Kobe does have a weakness though. It is very easy to get him out of the "Team" game. He will never back down from a challenge. If you piss him off, or disrespect him or put a hand in his face, he will abondon his teammates and go one on one,one on two or one on five. Once you piss him off, he will do everything in his power to score on you, at the expense of his team. Even if there are 2 or 3 guys guarding him with an open man underneath the basket, he'll try to take it to the whole himself and score on you just to prove a point. He's getting a little better about that now, but still has his moments.

well stated..

 

[Wake]

Your credibility is still shot IMO you're a stooge, that cheers for a good team.

Very few players in the NBA can compare to LBJ...IMHO Carmello is one of them...while many say he's not as "good"...IMO he is very close. Your credibility is shot because you are trying to down play the acquisition of a TOP 10 player in the leauge. No matter how you look at this...this is a HUGE DEAL. I find it funny you are trying to downplay and dismiss the fact that the KNICKS have acquired (2) top 10 players in the leauge.

THIS IS A HUGE DAY IN NEW YORK sports, no matter how you look at it. I don't know how old you are, (judging by your antics your prob 16) I am happy because in the past 12 years the Knick's high water mark was their Final appearance with Latrell Sprewell (where they got DOMINATED by David Robinson and Tim Duncan)...FINALLY i have something to cheer about.

TOP 10 player? By what metric?

Certainly NOT this one... (He's not even better than Bosh).

And definitely not by Hollinger's PER... He's 22nd on that list. 1st? Bron. 3rd? wade.


I'm not sure what antics you're talking about since all I do is point out evidence to substantiate valid arguments. I'm 33 fyi. Old enough to remember your knicks beating my heat only to get trounced, but at least my team is one of only 7 to win the NBA finals in the last 30 years.

 

[Bezzerkerr]

this Melo trade is overrated imo. Great player, but that team doesnt have any defense and their coach never preaches it. You cant win that way no matter how much talent you have, and the knicks are pretty short on talent now. Obviosuly they cant contend this year, but next year, i dont even see them being better than Bos, Miami, Chi, or Orlando with this roster. Once Howard leaves Orlando, and Bos poops out, then maybe they have a shot to contend. Amare and Melo arent really known for making their teammates better either, so that works against them too.

Overrated because you're not a NY Knick fan. This is a HUGE DEAL, not overrated in the slightest. Melo + Amar'e will bring CP3...wait and see. That's why it's NOT overrated. 66% there to creating their own BIG 3 in NYC.

Billips
Fields
Melo
Amar'e
Turiaf
....is a pretty solid starting 5, no matter how you look at it.

However, you're right about defense.

 

[The Josh]

They're going to have to dump a lot of folks to get CP3. Every article out there has said they will not have the Cap room to bring in another max guy.

 

[Bezzerkerr]

They're going to have to dump a lot of folks to get CP3. Every article out there has said they will not have the Cap room to bring in another max guy.

You will SURELY be suprised.

Knicks in 2013 will have either CP3 or Deron Williams...mark my words.

 

[nash]

With the wrong owner and basketball people it can all slip right through your fingers..

A Suns fan can attest to tihs

 

[nash]

Your credibility is still shot IMO you're a stooge, that cheers for a good team.

He's a stooge that is cheering for a good team only now. He wasnt anywhere to be found in this thread prior to the Heat acquiring Lebron and Bosh. In my book that's called a bandwagon fan.

 

[The Josh]

You will SURELY be suprised.

Knicks in 2013 will have either CP3 or Deron Williams...mark my words.

I will be. There is going to be a hard cap and a much different salary cap structure. Based on the contracts they will have for some time there just isn't the room for them.

 

[NosferatuBill36]

'Melo is a one-dimensional player.

This here...this statement right there, is quite possibly the DUMBEST thing I've ever had the displeasure of reading on these forums.

Please refrain from talking about basketball in the future.

 

[Wake]

He's a stooge that is cheering for a good team only now. He wasnt anywhere to be found in this thread prior to the Heat acquiring Lebron and Bosh. In my book that's called a bandwagon fan.

Nash, the reason I wasn't in THIS thread prior to the Heat acquiring Lebron and Bosh is twofold;

1) This thread is for NBA 10-11... Which if im not incorrect means this thread has been around since Bron and Bosh joined the heat.

2) More importantly... if you look at my sign up date you'll see I wasn't posting in this forum prior to the Heat acquiring the big 3.

Calling me a stooge does not make you right or anymore intelligent than me.

 

[Wake]

This here...this statement right there, is quite possibly the DUMBEST thing I've ever had the displeasure of reading on these forums.

Please refrain from talking about basketball in the future.

If Defense is a dimension. If rebounding is a dimension. If passing is a dimension.... then Melo is ONLY a one dimensional player.

 

[NosferatuBill36]

Melo doesn't play defense. He's also a black-hole in that he's not a 'think-pass' kinda guy. That means he's a scorer. He's not a consistent rebounder. THAT'S ONE DIMENSIONAL.

Lebron is multi-faceted. Elite Defender. Elite Rebounder. Elite Passer. Elite Scorer. Sorry to say but Melo's a consolation prize.

Melo is, quite possibly, the most prolific scorer in the NBA.

He can score of the dribble, shoot the 3(.333), mid-range jumper, inside post scorer, excellent FT shooter, etc.

He is also a DECENT rebounder.

He's not one-dimensional at all. If we were to use your logic, there wouldn't be many in the NBA that WEREN'T one dimensional. Thanksfully, most people do not use your logic.



By the way, thanks for making me spill my coffee all over my pants after saying Lebron is an elite rebounder. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[NosferatuBill36]

Nah melo can rebound really well imo..Just doesn't work on the defensive end. If u can score in the post and the wing and off the dribble. That's more thane one dimentional.. Maybe he'll learn to pass and get more intensive defensively.. I was all for trading Bynum for him.. He's special.

WTF is going on? Why are we agreeing so much today?

 

[Wake]

Melo is, quite possibly, the most prolific scorer in the NBA.

He can score of the dribble, shoot the 3(.333), mid-range jumper, inside post scorer, excellent FT shooter, etc.

He is also a DECENT rebounder.

He's not one-dimensional at all. If we were to use your logic, there wouldn't be many in the NBA that WEREN'T one dimensional. Thanksfully, most people do not use your logic.



By the way, thanks for making me spill my coffee all over my pants after saying Lebron is an elite rebounder. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bro Lebron james leads all small forwards in rebounds... how is that not elite? And when a player is ONLY good offensively... that's what you call a one-dimensional.

 

[NosferatuBill36]

Oh another thing about the Knicks signing CP# or Deron...

NY state has STATE income tax... (unlike florida) so they'd have to take HALF of what Melo/Amare make and GET taxed 3 times what the get taxed now. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

You do realize that the amount of money they will make in endorsements for simply PLAYING FOR A NEW YORK TEAM will more than make up for that, right?

Ever notice a lot of Heat jerseys before this year in South Florida?

Me neither.

Even during the last decade(when the Knicks have sucked), there were Knicks jerseys up and down the streets of New York, both inside and outside of the city.

They will be plastered over billboards. Merchandise. Etc. New York = MONEY.

Miami = ....a half-filled stadium where you can here a pin drop.

 

[Bezzerkerr]

TOP 10 player? By what metric?

Certainly NOT this one... (He's not even better than Bosh).

And definitely not by Hollinger's PER... He's 22nd on that list. 1st? Bron. 3rd? wade.


I'm not sure what antics you're talking about since all I do is point out evidence to substantiate valid arguments. I'm 33 fyi. Old enough to remember your knicks beating my heat only to get trounced, but at least my team is one of only 7 to win the NBA finals in the last 30 years.

I have no problem with differences in opinion...however you're voicing your opinion in an inflammatory manner with hopes of ruining my ONE NYK day in the sun...sorry for you will never happen I am posting in this thread to express my Happiness with this Blockbuster Trade as long-time NYK fan...and your contributions seem to be aimed towards de-railing my happiness and down-play the significance of this major move the Knicks made. I called you 16 because I truly didn't think some 33 years old would act as childish as you are. Your attitude seems to be that: "MY TEAM IS THE BEST...and NO OTHER TEAM CAN BE AS GOOD...BECAUSE WE'RE THE BEST." - kinda juvenile if you ask me...and my interaction with you makes me think you are not as old as you say you are...and if you are infact 33, i don't what else to say

Getting back to Top 10 talk...
The starting players in the ALL-STAR game are without question THE BEST OF THE BEST in the NBA. Sure it's voted...but NOT ONE player who started SHOULDN'T have been starting. It's an opinion, but substantiated by fact an majority vote. He is without a doubt a Top-10 player...if you wanna stretch it...i'll even give you top 12.


Your source/chart is one opinion about ESTIMATED added value/wins...key word ESTIMATED...once again another OPINION you are passing off as a fact

 

[azurepred]

Overrated because you're not a NY Knick fan. This is a HUGE DEAL, not overrated in the slightest. Melo + Amar'e will bring CP3...wait and see. That's why it's NOT overrated. 66% there to creating their own BIG 3 in NYC.

Billips
Fields
Melo
Amar'e
Turiaf
....is a pretty solid starting 5, no matter how you look at it.

However, you're right about defense.

your right, i could care less about NY. It all looks great on paper, but until the team shows they can play great defense in the future and play well together, im not convinced they will be a big threat.

With the new bargaining agreement, its gonna be tough for them to get Paul or Williams, and not to mention, there are plenty of other enticing teams those guys can go to. I would be suprised if Orl doesnt make a move for Paul or Williams next year via trade. They have soooo many guys to offer, and they need another superstar to keep Howard in Orl. I would put my money on neither guy going to NY.

 

[NosferatuBill36]

I'm 33 fyi. Old enough to remember your knicks beating my heat only to get trounced, but at least my team is one of only 7 to win the NBA finals in the last 30 years.

So then you're also old enough to remember the Knicks pounding Heat ass year, after year, after year, after year...



Face it, no one gives a **** about Miami sports.

The Marlins don't draw and are at the bottom of the league in attendance.

The Panthers are at the bottom of the league in attendance.

The Dolphins couldn't sell out a game in the middle of a post-season run and are disgustingly notorious for not having fans show up to games.

The Heat ONLY started drawing this year, and even then, when Lebron throws his baby powder in the air, only a few in the stands actually see it.

Your championship in 2006 was GIFT-WRAPPED by the league and Donahue. And your "championship team" was purchased.

Antoinette Walker is still busy throwing his money away at Strippers at my local Cheetah's in Ft. Lauderdale.

 

[Wake]

LMAO. Antioniette.