Lebron is a great player, but it's his attitude that I worry about. He has a strong sense of entitlement. Like everyone must bow down to him. Just remember to keep his food warm. You don't want to have a fry thrown in your face.
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Lebron is a great player, but it's his attitude that I worry about. He has a strong sense of entitlement. Like everyone must bow down to him. Just remember to keep his food warm. You don't want to have a fry thrown in your face.
Bezzerkerr
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i really hope LeBron NEVER wins a title. How great would that be?
meh. Even if he did it would be forever tainted. Its not like he earned it. If you have to go to a Dream Team to win a title, then its like winning a special olympics medal...
Think about all the great ones that have ever won an NBA title, how many had to switch teams to do so? Not very many.
Think about all the great ones that have ever won an NBA title, how many had to switch teams to do so? Not very many.
I guess you also say that about Kobe's rings he got with Shaq?
lol yeah right. Like Kobe had the choice to be drafted by the Hornets and then arrange a trade? Riiiiight. Totally different situation. He wasnt in his prime and then abandoned his team for another, more talent-laden team.
Actually Shaq comes to mind but Im not sure the Lakers had more established talent than the Magic at that time...
Actually Shaq comes to mind but Im not sure the Lakers had more established talent than the Magic at that time...
I'm not saying the situations are the same. But Shaq was arguably the best player in the league at that time. Based on your logic, it sounds like you're saying Kobe's championships from that era are tainted, because he didn't single-handedly win them.
But really, you don't get many great players single-handedly winning championships in the NBA anymore (Jordan came closest in recent years, IMO--Pippen gets more credit than he deserves from riding Jordan's coattails). I'm not saying anything negative about Kobe, but he needed talent around him to win. Lebron didn't have that in Cleveland and it apparently wasn't forthcoming. It all seems like matters of degree to me--how much talent is too much. Guys who aspire to be all time greats will do more with less, I would agree. And Kobe didn't go to play with 4 other all-stars, probably because (in part) he realized how it would affect legacy. But I think it is an unrealistic characterization to say that Lebron would have only "earned" a championship with the bums he was teamed with in Cleveland.
But really, you don't get many great players single-handedly winning championships in the NBA anymore (Jordan came closest in recent years, IMO--Pippen gets more credit than he deserves from riding Jordan's coattails). I'm not saying anything negative about Kobe, but he needed talent around him to win. Lebron didn't have that in Cleveland and it apparently wasn't forthcoming. It all seems like matters of degree to me--how much talent is too much. Guys who aspire to be all time greats will do more with less, I would agree. And Kobe didn't go to play with 4 other all-stars, probably because (in part) he realized how it would affect legacy. But I think it is an unrealistic characterization to say that Lebron would have only "earned" a championship with the bums he was teamed with in Cleveland.
Wake
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Wow an actually rational objective opinion in THIS thread!? Kudos karamazov.
I only get irrational in the NFL thread 
Bezzerkerr
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DERON WILLIAMS...traded to the NETS for Favors and Devin Harris. Williams becomes a free agent at the end of 2011-2012.
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2011-02-23-deron-williams-jazz-nets_N.htm
and Melo is gonna wear #7.
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2011-02-23-deron-williams-jazz-nets_N.htm
and Melo is gonna wear #7.
Wow, sucks to be a Jazz fan right about now.
Kobe getting to the lakers was because the Hornets and Lakers had worked out a trade before the draft from what I can remember. I've slept a bit since then.
As far as Lebron going to Miami. My issue has been that he didn't need a 1 hour special to rub salt in the wounds of Cavs fans who have loved the guy. That was the ____ty part of it all. Those people treated him better than he deserved and he just stabbed them in the back. At least with Bosh he just quit in the playoffs and then sleeked away.
As far as Lebron going to Miami. My issue has been that he didn't need a 1 hour special to rub salt in the wounds of Cavs fans who have loved the guy. That was the ____ty part of it all. Those people treated him better than he deserved and he just stabbed them in the back. At least with Bosh he just quit in the playoffs and then sleeked away.
I agree with that. I felt really bad for those fans, but then, the owner bears a lot of responsibility IMO for being either unable or unwilling to give Lebron any supporting cast.
I also thought Lebron's "taking my talents to South Beach" line was incredibly cheesy. But I just saw this last week, and thought it was pretty funny in hindsight:
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I also thought Lebron's "taking my talents to South Beach" line was incredibly cheesy. But I just saw this last week, and thought it was pretty funny in hindsight:
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Bezzerkerr
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Everything about "The Decision" was terrible. My opinion of him really changed when he opted to "combine forces" with other superstars to give himself a SHOT at winning the title. He knew he was going to MIAMI the whole time. I agree he didn't need his own special on ESPN. For that reason, i hope he never wins a title and goes down in sports history as the single greatest/most talented basketball player that NEVER won a title.
DinoDB1975
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Wow, Prokhorov seems like a terrible owner already. Deron Williams is an upgrade over Devin Harris, but is he Derrick Favors and two first round picks better? I don’t think so.
From Utah’s perspective, Devin Harris has proven to be a capable point during the 2006 playoffs, and Favors will only get better going up against Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap every day in practice. They basically got better in the future while staying relevant now.
From Utah’s perspective, Devin Harris has proven to be a capable point during the 2006 playoffs, and Favors will only get better going up against Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap every day in practice. They basically got better in the future while staying relevant now.
I personally think Utah lost its current relevancy when Jerry Sloan left.
Wake
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Meaning Josh? Your opinion improved or worsened?
DinoDB1975
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That's another thing. Why trade Williams when management essentially chose him over Sloan and "forced" Sloan to resign? Makes you look inept when your future Hall of Fame coach and the longest tenured coach in professional sports resigns because manaement sides with the star player...ONLY to trade said player a few weeks later.
The problem with Lebron, IMO, is this--he's in a lose-lose, damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. People hate on him because he "took the easy road" to a championship. But consider this--athletes are always accused of choosing money over everything else. Well, Lebron took a hefty pay cut to play in Miami. Players also always say that they "play to win the game." Well, Lebron put himself in the best position he could to do that. In that sense, he's doing what all players are "supposed" to do--to play to win, and to put themselves in the best position to win that they can.
Yeah, he didn't need to do the 1-hour special. And yes, it is going to hurt his legacy if he only wins championships with these guys, because guys like Kobe did more with less (at least, with less big stars). But in a sense, that also shows that he accepts that he can't win it on his own. As big as his ego is, it apparently isn't so big that he feels the need to be considered "the greatest player of all time." Jordan and Kobe weren't satisfied to really share the glory, because you can tell that they both want(ed) that mantle. Lebron's no dummy. He knows that a championship with Wade won't mean as much. But he wanted gold and went for it. Shouldn't that be the goal of professional athletes?
Yeah, he didn't need to do the 1-hour special. And yes, it is going to hurt his legacy if he only wins championships with these guys, because guys like Kobe did more with less (at least, with less big stars). But in a sense, that also shows that he accepts that he can't win it on his own. As big as his ego is, it apparently isn't so big that he feels the need to be considered "the greatest player of all time." Jordan and Kobe weren't satisfied to really share the glory, because you can tell that they both want(ed) that mantle. Lebron's no dummy. He knows that a championship with Wade won't mean as much. But he wanted gold and went for it. Shouldn't that be the goal of professional athletes?
DinoDB1975
Super Freak
Another rational argument from Karamazov.
I have nothing against Lebron except for the way he left Cleveland. If he wins championships in Miami, so be it. If not, so be it as well. I'm not going to state that I hope he doesn't win any championships at all.
And as Karamazov previously stated, no one player has ever carried a team to a championship, at least in the modern era of the NBA. I would argue that without Chris Wallace trading Pau Gasol for $.15 on the dollar, the Lakers would not be back-to-back defending champions right now, and Kobe would be still at three rings.
I have nothing against Lebron except for the way he left Cleveland. If he wins championships in Miami, so be it. If not, so be it as well. I'm not going to state that I hope he doesn't win any championships at all.
And as Karamazov previously stated, no one player has ever carried a team to a championship, at least in the modern era of the NBA. I would argue that without Chris Wallace trading Pau Gasol for $.15 on the dollar, the Lakers would not be back-to-back defending champions right now, and Kobe would be still at three rings.
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