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[DinoDB1975]

People hold onto these things because that one incident showed his true nature and it wasn't what Nike was selling us. The bottom line is when he left Cleveland he basically ruined the economy of the entire downtown area and that ruff. If it was just some other guy leaving then it's not a big deal but businesses lived and died by this one guy, I'm not saying that it was all his responsibility I'm just saying the way he did things was classless.

It's unfair for one person to have to bear the brunt of this. How much allegiance does one person have to have to a community?

Lebron was drafted in 2003, and at the end of the 2005 / 2006 season, he signed a contract extension. He didn't have to do that. He could have left then, but signed the extension, and gave Cleveland seven years.

Unfortunately, in sports we lionize athletes too much. If anybody here were offered a better employment opportunity or chance to realize our dreams, we would take it in a heartbeat.

I won't deny that the way he went about it was tasteless, but we as fans shouldn't deny an individual the right to do what they think is right for them.

 

[jstep13]

That's fine and good. But is completely different than the argument you seem to be making here:



And if you don't recall, Kobe was threatening to leave the Lakers just a few years ago after being frustrated at management's inability to bring in talent after Shaq left and the Lakers couldn't win in the playoffs. And. . .management responded! That's a difference in management that afforded Kobe more rings without him having to leave. Cleveland's management didn't do jack.


"Through thick and thin?"

How is it any different? I said Lebron's legacy would be tainted because he did not earn it. And then I followed up and said why. Im sorry youre interpreting it wrong, I cant help that.

All this crap youre stating after that is youre conjecture. Not mine:

Whether you willfully leave, are traded, or are drafted by team X, you were acting like the championship doesn't mean anything if you have other great players on your team. If you are saying that Kobe's earlier titles are tainted "Special Olympics" titles, then that's your prerogative. But I wouldn't say that.

And yes Kobe did threaten to leave. But he paid his dues, he had already won 3 titles with his organization. If he wants to bail on them and play somewhere else, more power to him. He's already accomplished what he set out to do and fulfilled his committment to the city of LA. Unlike LeTraitor where Cleveland is still ring-less.

 

[Wake]

JStep seems like you're the only one who feels the way you do in this thread.... You are a perfect example of someone who's holding on to hard.

 

[jstep13]

There's plenty of people who agree with me, not that matters much to me. LeTraitor is like #1 or #2 of most hated athletes right now, so there's more people that must share my opinion than yours. Where does all that hate come from? Because he did the right thing? I dont think so. But go ahead and root for LeTraitor, ya dunce. Ill root for the good guys that know how to win the right way, without being poor sports and taking their ball home.

 

[Wake]

Dude, go back and read your posts. Sooo much venom. Good luck to you and your team. Geez.

 

[NosferatuBill36]

Got beers ready, tv set, bought tickets to Sunday's game at CrappyAA Arena(we should meet up, Wake).

Let's go STOUDAMELO!!!!!!!!

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

i know, theres a lot of ppl like that, but if he does win something, it will be water under the bridge in the grand scheme of things. Some ppl just want to use anything to bash Lebron. im sure anyone that has watched basketbell in the last 10 years can remember how hated Kobe was after the whole rape trial thing happened, now look at him, most ppl, not including myself just look past that and forget the whole thing ever happened. His fans always stayed at his side and never really seemed to care about it.

yeah no one cares anymore........all Kobe haters bring it up all the time and conveniently leave out the part where the chick had claimed raped multiple times in the past and even had more then one semen sample in her when they took samples of the "rape". That chick was just about getting money.

Yes Kobe cheated on his wife, no I do not condone that, nor am I a blind Kobe lover because he's a Laker (he's got zero people skills) but he's not a rapist.

RAPE accusations were FAR worse then what Lebron did.



He didn't mean to destroy the economy of a town. But how is beholden to them? His contract ran its course.

I know he didn't mean to destroy an economy but he did and Jstep is right, just because he didn't win a championship in his first 7 years doesn't mean it wasn't going to happen, sometimes you just have to work for it instead of having it handed to you. I know that you are not going to see it that way because you're glad he's in Miami now and you are looking at things through Heat colored glasses.

 

[jstep13]

Dude, go back and read your posts. Sooo much venom. Good luck to you and your team. Geez.

Whatever you say, pot. Say hi to the kettles for me

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Got beers ready, tv set, bought tickets to Sunday's game at CrappyAA Arena(we should meet up, Wake).

Let's go STOUDAMELO!!!!!!!!

Have fun man!...

 

[NosferatuBill36]

Have fun man!...

Thanks man. I am so far.

Melo got into foul trouble quickly. But after 1quarter, he's got 3 rebounds and 5 points. Not bad. Had a nice "and-1" play. MSG is electric tonight. It usually always is, win or lose, but tonight is Legends Night and I suppose us Knicks fans finally have something to celebrate after 10 years of misery.

This season has been pretty good to me, so far.

 

[karamazov80]

How is it any different? I said Lebron's legacy would be tainted because he did not earn it. And then I followed up and said why. Im sorry youre interpreting it wrong, I cant help that.

All this crap youre stating after that is youre conjecture. Not mine:

And yes Kobe did threaten to leave. But he paid his dues, he had already won 3 titles with his organization. If he wants to bail on them and play somewhere else, more power to him. He's already accomplished what he set out to do and fulfilled his committment to the city of LA. Unlike LeTraitor where Cleveland is still ring-less.

Every post you make seems to spew anti-Lebron sentiment while glossing over Kobe's similar behavior. You say "loyalty through thick and thin," then after being shown what Kobe did, you say "he paid his dues. . .if he wants to bail. . .power to him." So, "loyalty" goes out the window once you "pay your dues" for some reason? Which apparently means winning titles with Shaq in Kobe's case, as if Lebron didn't pay his dues by staying in Cleveland for as long as he did, waiting for management to step up and give him half the player of Shaq in his prime to help him out?

Then you act like the only championship that means anything is winning it without superstar help when it comes to Lebron and his crappy Cavs teams, then throw all kinds of conditions on top of it to give Kobe credit for his early titles with Shaq.

You're seeing things through Kobe-colored glasses, and that's fine, but don't jump down my throat for pointing out the contradictions in your posts.

 

[Deeznutz6]

There's plenty of people who agree with me, not that matters much to me. LeTraitor is like #1 or #2 of most hated athletes right now, so there's more people that must share my opinion than yours. Where does all that hate come from? Because he did the right thing? I dont think so. But go ahead and root for LeTraitor, ya dunce. Ill root for the good guys that know how to win the right way, without being poor sports and taking their ball home.

Only people who agree with you are the losers in Cleveland. NO ONE would have stayed in Cleveland. He TV spot was bad taste but thats it

 

[jstep13]

Every post you make seems to spew anti-Lebron sentiment while glossing over Kobe's similar behavior. You say "loyalty through thick and thin," then after being shown what Kobe did, you say "he paid his dues. . .if he wants to bail. . .power to him." So, "loyalty" goes out the window once you "pay your dues" for some reason? YES Which apparently means winning titles with Shaq in Kobe's case, as if Lebron didn't pay his dues by staying in Cleveland for as long as he did, waiting for management to step up and give him half the player of Shaq in his prime to help him out?

Then you act like the only championship that means anything is winning it without superstar help NO when it comes to Lebron and his crappy Cavs teams, then throw all kinds of conditions on top of it to give Kobe credit for his early titles with Shaq.

You're seeing things through Kobe-colored glasses, and that's fine, but don't jump down my throat for pointing out the contradictions in your posts.

Your post is so full of fail, I dont know where to begin, but Ill try since youre apparently reading comprehension challenged. And Ill try and keep it as simple and plain english as possible.

First, I talked about how, no matter what LEBRON does at this point, his ring would be tarnished. Why? Because he did not complete his goal of winning a ring there unlike 99% of the greats out there.

YOU then brought up Kobe. And tried to project on to my claim, falsely, that because he was drafted and then traded he was is in the same boat. WRONG. I tried explaining several times why Kobe is not in the same boat. Kobe A) never left LA. B) he threatened to leave AFTER he won 3 rings there - big difference. C) A threat is just a non-action. He NEVER LEFT LA. D) Even if he had left, his legacy was already cemented as a HOME GROWN CHAMPION, like I mentioned before, 99% of TRUE CHAMPS do.

I honestly cant dumb this down anymore without bringing crayola and flash cards in the picture. I think Ive cemented my position ad nauseum, and then some. Apparently, youre the only one who is having the most difficult time understanding this so I dont know what to tell you at this point.

 

[azurepred]

yeah no one cares anymore........all Kobe haters bring it up all the time and conveniently leave out the part where the chick had claimed raped multiple times in the past and even had more then one semen sample in her when they took samples of the "rape". That chick was just about getting money.

Yes Kobe cheated on his wife, no I do not condone that, nor am I a blind Kobe lover because he's a Laker (he's got zero people skills) but he's not a rapist.
.

I know,when I insult Kobe, I just say hes a horrible husband or an adulturer. People say Lebron is this or that about his character, yet they praise Kobe as this great guy. It comes out sounding like they do condone cheating over being "classless" and no, Im not talking about you specifically.

If Lebron is "classless", what does that make Melo? Holding a team hostage until they trade you to your desired location, where you will make more money then if you left legitimately in free agency. The guy didn't even have the dignity to fulfill his contract. He just continued to whine and moan until he got what he wanted. The decision, I admit was horrible, but what Melo did is just as bad, if not worse for the game IMO. It shows that any superstar who cries long enough like a little _____ can get out of any contract or leave any team they want to go to a better one. Lebron payed his dues, honored his contract, left in a bad way, but he didnt disgrace the game.

 

[Deeznutz6]

I know,when I insult Kobe, I just say hes a horrible husband or an adulturer. People say Lebron is this or that about his character, yet they praise Kobe as this great guy. It comes out sounding like they do condone cheating over being "classless" and no, Im not talking about you specifically.

If Lebron is "classless", what does that make Melo? Holding a team hostage until they trade you to your desired location, where you will make more money then if you left legitimately in free agency. The guy didn't even have the dignity to fulfill his contract. He just continued to whine and moan until he got what he wanted. The decision, I admit was horrible, but what Melo did is just as bad, if not worse for the game IMO. It shows that any superstar who cries long enough like a little _____ can get out of any contract or leave any team they want to go to a better one. Lebron payed his dues, honored his contract, left in a bad way, but he didnt disgrace the game.

Didnt Kobe essentially do the same thing in LA as Melo did?

Bottom line all these guys are a hole atheles who make alot of money and think they rule world, hell Id do the same

 

[karamazov80]

Your post is so full of fail, I dont know where to begin, but Ill try since youre apparently reading comprehension challenged. And Ill try and keep it as simple and plain english as possible.

First, I talked about how, no matter what LEBRON does at this point, his ring would be tarnished. Why? Because he did not complete his goal of winning a ring there unlike 99% of the greats out there.

YOU then brought up Kobe. And tried to project on to my claim, falsely, that because he was drafted and then traded he was is in the same boat. WRONG. I tried explaining several times why Kobe is not in the same boat. Kobe A) never left LA. B) he threatened to leave AFTER he won 3 rings there - big difference. C) A threat is just a non-action. He NEVER LEFT LA. D) Even if he had left, his legacy was already cemented as a HOME GROWN CHAMPION, like I mentioned before, 99% of TRUE CHAMPS do.

I honestly cant dumb this down anymore without bringing crayola and flash cards in the picture. I think Ive cemented my position ad nauseum, and then some. Apparently, youre the only one who is having the most difficult time understanding this so I dont know what to tell you at this point.

Really mature of you to try to discuss this like an adult without resorting to name calling and insults. But then, that's what happens I guess when people have lost an argument and have nowhere else to go. Go ahead and live in your fantasy world where Kobe is all good and awesome and Lebron is a mustache-twirling, over-rated villain, then.

Also, in addition to Crayola, it might help the reading challenged if you learned how to appropriately use apostrophes in your sentences.

 

[jstep13]

Boo Hoo. I destroyed your so-called "argument" 3x prior yet you still claim I am saying one thing when Im not. So forgive me if my patience with you is a little exhausted. Maybe next time you'll actually take the time to read and understand an argument before replying out of the place you're sitting on. And Ill start using my apostrophes when you stop with the fragmented sentences.

And show me where I lost my argument? Ive already addressed why Kobe's situation is not the same as LeBron. I seriously hope youre just playing dumb.

 

[NosferatuBill36]

Saw looooooots of potential tongiht. Melo found his shots in 3rd quatyter. Billups was fantastic!

Billups > Felton!

Billups and Melo had to be loving the chants they got at the en of the gam!!

 

[karamazov80]

jstep, if you ever take a course in basic logic, please come back and let me know. Once you understand some of the basic principles I would be glad to help you understand the inconsistencies in your posts again.

 

[jstep13]

lol, okay. Im actually in the middle of completing my Master's degree so please, take the time to educate me, I love to learn.

Id be glad to reciprocate and teach you the fundamentals of reading comprehension.