with the FULL Lakers team that almost lost to a short-handed Suns? yeah I can understand that.
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with the FULL Lakers team that almost lost to a short-handed Suns? yeah I can understand that.
No I'm not impressed what Kerr did to your team.. Sure having Shaq and JR is an interesting idea to add to any team..
But you guys had great chemistry and hadn't run your course yet.. Chemistry is hard to come by..
You guys were a great team to watch... It was beautifull.. Now its just another team..
But you guys had great chemistry and hadn't run your course yet.. Chemistry is hard to come by..
You guys were a great team to watch... It was beautifull.. Now its just another team..
I'd agree we were a great team to WATCH. but to get past the western conf finals with that team? Tell me seriously that you think it could have happened? We didnt have the size or talent to overcome SA, DAL, LAL. We had the speed and guns but nothing geared for the Playoffs. Marion was a good defender but unreliable to be a consistent scorer without fast breaks.
Do I agree with the J Rich trade? Partially....we've lost a good defender in Bell but gained a better scorer in J Rich. Perhaps a new beginning and an actual team that has a shot will motivate J Rich to play defense but I doubt it. Personally I'd have liked the PHX team to gear more towards defense with another stopper instead of picking up a weak defender and getting rid of their best on-ball defender.
Lakers are not so great on the defensive end either but they have the size and 2ndary advantage over almost any team that they can bring in the points almost at will.
I do think that team could beat Dallas and SA today... And could have given the Lakers bigger problems than this current team can..
I actually think not having Shaq on the floor the other night made it tough for us.. We are better 1/2 court defenders than transition defenders.. Shaq slows you down.. That old 7 seconds and under would have exposed one of our biggestt weaknesses, defending speed..
You were 1 game away from putting SA away for good before the hipcheck..
That team would dominate SA and Dallas today IMO..
I actually think not having Shaq on the floor the other night made it tough for us.. We are better 1/2 court defenders than transition defenders.. Shaq slows you down.. That old 7 seconds and under would have exposed one of our biggestt weaknesses, defending speed..
You were 1 game away from putting SA away for good before the hipcheck..
That team would dominate SA and Dallas today IMO..
nash..needs ball
Shaq..needs ball
JR.. need ball..
I see a problem.. I thought Kerr was a real smart guy.. I question that now..
Shaq..needs ball
JR.. need ball..
I see a problem.. I thought Kerr was a real smart guy.. I question that now..
True, i agree about that team taking SA and Dallas today, but that is because of circumstance.
Dallas lost howard and traded away Harris who is killing it in NJ. SA has just not drafted any worthy new blood in so long that they are only getting older.
With LAL, i don't know. I think it could go either way. Like everyone says, you live and die by the jumpers. I think with the Marion PHX having a sub-par night LAL could easily rough them up and over take them.
Im still kind of uneasy about the Shaq addition....mainly when he misses shots 2 feet away from the rim, or is slow to rotate....but in some instances too, he surprises me with what he does.
Would I be happier with a younger big man that can hold his own? hell yes. But I still think that the Suns have got a hell of a lot of firepower at their disposal.
Nash/Shaq combo never really clicked.. 2 different speeds..
Nash/Marion combo was exciting.. The ally oops and Marrions shot blocking leading to fast breaks..
Nash/Marion combo was exciting.. The ally oops and Marrions shot blocking leading to fast breaks..
agree. I think that's what's holding Nash up too this season...but now he has J Rich who imo is a better scorer than Marion ever was and just as explosive. just not on the defensive end
JR can score thats for sure.. Maybe even more so now w/ nash..
If Shaq would scrap and so some dirty work along w/ get in shape you could be good.. But he's allready talking about his next stop in his career..
If Shaq would scrap and so some dirty work along w/ get in shape you could be good.. But he's allready talking about his next stop in his career..
the only other stop in his career is a bus stop man. I think after PHX he's done, or he's only going to be playing like 20 mins a game max.Oh yeah been meaning to ask you, are you a bball shoe fan? If you need any player exclusive shoes that are out, let me know. House of Hoops in harlem here is the only place to get them, i usually go there once every few weeks to see whats up.
Im not a big shoe guy anymore.. Flip flops for me these days...
Tonight we were missing our best player this season in Pau.. But aside from that we seem to play just enough defense in short spurts just to get by.. In the beginning of the season we were locking teams down like it was our mission.. Now we seem to just try and outscore our opponent while letting them rack up points..
I love seeing rabid defense and it kind of disgusts me watching other teams guards get layup after layup and rotating slowly to the open man.. I know we can play better D than we have this last month or so..
I admire the way the Celtics play.. They play w/ passion and leave blood on the court.. We can learn alot from them, hopefully our defense shows up on Christmas day..
Tonight we were missing our best player this season in Pau.. But aside from that we seem to play just enough defense in short spurts just to get by.. In the beginning of the season we were locking teams down like it was our mission.. Now we seem to just try and outscore our opponent while letting them rack up points..
I love seeing rabid defense and it kind of disgusts me watching other teams guards get layup after layup and rotating slowly to the open man.. I know we can play better D than we have this last month or so..
I admire the way the Celtics play.. They play w/ passion and leave blood on the court.. We can learn alot from them, hopefully our defense shows up on Christmas day..
I was tuning in and out and I totally didnt realize that you were missing Gasol. Makes more sense now. I must say, Nate the Great is pretty damn fun to watch.
What do you think on the possible Marion to Cavs deal?
Now there's talk about sending Hill back to the Magic for JJ Redick.... Someone please stop this Steve Kerr insanity. At this pace, I think you may be right Bodie. Nash may just as well rejoin D'Antoni in NY to get out of Kerr's plans. Kerr is so short-sighted you have to wonder if it's pure greed or his inflated ego?
https://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2008/12/can-magic-pull.html
https://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2008/12/can-magic-pull.html
I love watching those lil guards play aside from when they are destroying my team.. Bynums help defense needs to pick it up.. that lil guy getting layups is a sin.. But quickness kills us..
I had alot of respect for Kerr before he damaged your team.. He really made a mess of a team that had a solid chance.. Now it looks like a patchwork veteran team from the 90's.. I hears Nash say that he felt like he is the one thats been traded w/ the new everything around him.. JJ Reddick?.. WTF.. The dude is a bust.. Why they need him?..
Knicks are looking to land 2 superstars and have the money to do it when they are available..
I hadnt heard the Marion to Cavs rumor.. Who's involved?.. Cavs want to show Lebrom the are serious..
On a side lesser note.. Sasha "The Machine" is on the trading block..
I had alot of respect for Kerr before he damaged your team.. He really made a mess of a team that had a solid chance.. Now it looks like a patchwork veteran team from the 90's.. I hears Nash say that he felt like he is the one thats been traded w/ the new everything around him.. JJ Reddick?.. WTF.. The dude is a bust.. Why they need him?..
Knicks are looking to land 2 superstars and have the money to do it when they are available..
I hadnt heard the Marion to Cavs rumor.. Who's involved?.. Cavs want to show Lebrom the are serious..
On a side lesser note.. Sasha "The Machine" is on the trading block..
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As a Cavs fan I think I like the proposal as Marion is certainly better than either of the 2 players, but I also hate messing with chemistry. Ben Wallace would probably need to step up the minutes.
I also had respect for Kerr, and while I do appreciate the balls that he's shown in taking chances trying to put together a championship caliber team, I don't think he's going about it in a very smart way at all. He's disgruntling most, if not all of the star players on the original Suns team and how is that going to make things better? Players need to be happy and have to believe in what the team is trying to accomplish if they are going to win...no matter how many good players are thrown together...as we saw with the dream team lakers team.
Yeah Nash has been pretty candid about his feelings towards everything that has happened. I don't think he agrees with the trading of Bell and Diaw...Bell was the heart and soul of the Suns team and now that is gone. You can see that Stat is not being used in the most effective way right now and just looking at him on the court I know he is not happy with things either. If Nash goes to NY, i'd hope they could deal in Stat along with him, but that's probably not going to happen.
If they get rid of Hill for Redick, Im going to be at a loss for words. I guess Kerr has high hopes that he'll get his shot back, but why pick up someone
that hasnt been productive for a long time in hopes that he'll be a contributor. we dont need another person riding the bench we need some secondary unit.
I dont remember exactly, but the Marion trade was for Szczerbiak and another Cavs player.
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Varajao is the other Cav player. Marion easily replaces Wally, but the Cavs lose much needed toughness in Varajao. Marion has good rebounding stats, how is his D?
Crap deal for the Cavs. Unless they want a little extra cap room next year.
Marion is a frontcourt player (SF who can play undersized PF). He isn't a SG so were will they utilize him? Cavs don't need him.
He is struggling in the Heats slower offense. Expect the same results with the Cavs offense. Marion is averaging 12 pts per game, 21% from long range and average (at best defense). Wally 7 pt per game shooting 30% long range and Varajao 9 pts per game and 6 rebounds. Stat wise it is a wash but Varajao would be a deal killer. He is a natural big that can play C or PF, young active.....Marion can play PF but is way undersized and Lebron is your SF. I think Cavs could get a better deal than Marion for Wally's contract and a player like Varajao.
They need to talk to Steve Kerr, maybe we can get Amare instead of Marion
I'm hoping that the Celtics and Lakers do something they didn't do last year--and burn themselves out before playoff time comes around (how the Celtics can keep going at this pace blows my mind). C'mon Hornets!
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