NECA: Alien Movie Franchise Figures

[theuzi9mm]

Well normal procedure is to always have a backup.
So dropship 02 is simply that.
Also a reason for 2 smart gunners.

What was weird was their lack of an extraction plan.
There's always "someone" on standby in order to exfil a team in just such a circumstance. Looking back, it is a bit odd that the Sulaco was left completely unattended.

makes it more dramatic I guess! I often thought it was pretty arrogant on one hand to take ALL marines to the surface and leave no one back on board the ship for an evac. Usually military would always have backup/fallback plan. I suppose though, despite this operation being under military jurisdiction, that the WY higher ups and Burke may have requested as minimal amount of personnel as possible to go, which may explain the lack of leaving someone behind on the ship.

 

[Jester]

You said boner

Yep.

In all seriousness though I am quite enjoying the Defiance comic book, though I am really confused by the ending of the last issue.

I feel compelled to oppose it for the good of the franchise.

that's partly truth - fanbased "arguments" make me angry, as there can be no answer to "i don't see that".
but no debate actually took place.
the marines were incompetent because Cameron couldn't include anything resembling an actual military operation to be put against unarmed animals, that's all.
either he didn't want it or didn't know how it should be done... all the rest was a discussion of the first branch of that idea, while i don't deny the possibility it could be the second, so lame the result was.

Give it up, P. The matter is settled. You lost.

I assume the platoon in the movie was assigned to the Sulaco just to satisfy the mission at hand, and the ship itself wasn't a full-on active duty vessel. The Sulaco probably only carried equipment assigned to that platoon. Generally, a platoon has two dropships and a pilot and co-pilot for each. No idea why, as far as we saw, this particular platoon only had a single set of pilots.

Probably Burke pulling strings again. Since Craig Windrix is apparently an official Colonial Marine character in-universe now, I like to think that he commanded the Sulaco platoon's second section.

 

[P.]

Give it up, P. The matter is settled. You lost.

when you understood i'm right and you have nothing against it, you started repeating "you lost". it was the same when you didn't agree with people who said that colonial marines game sucked.
to lose i have to be wrong in what i'm saying. of course, to feel better you must persuade yourself and others. dirty.

 

[Jester]

when you understood i'm right and you have nothing against it, you started repeating "you lost".
it was the same when you didn't agree with people who said that colonial marines game sucked.
to lose i have to be wrong in what i'm saying. of course, to feel better you must persuade yourself and others. dirty.

P., your contention that the Marines "sucked" has been repeatedly taken apart by the other members here, and you've yet to present any effective counter-arguments, unless you count getting pissy and claiming that "no debate actually took place" as a winning argumentative strategy.

 

[Psycho]

First pic plan on doing an photoshoot tomorrow... Maybe an review.

 

[P.]

P., your contention that the Marines "sucked" has been repeatedly taken apart by the other members here, and you've yet to present any effective counter-arguments, unless you count getting pissy and claiming that "no debate actually took place" as a winning argumentative strategy.

erm, nope, it wasn't.
they said everything was a specially made-up situtation or a coinscidence or a bad plan or Burke's actions or Gorman's actions. the need of taking that all into concideration only proves the facts:
1. marines lost to unarmed animals in every account with them.
2. if they acted like they were against a threat and not like they were on a sunday walk, they wouldn't lose.
3. ergo - they are unqualified to be in military.
there is nothing to present here and there can be no argument. marines were made stupid to lose, because if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't lose.

oh and don't forget that the reactor blue up because marines were so unqualified to be in a military that they disobeyed a direct order to disarm. and even armed, they just killed each other. aliens didn't even have to do anything, they just had to scream in shadows - marines would take out each other without any problem, destroying the reactor at the same time.

what you want to hear is "what should they have done not to lose", but it's another topic, big and long, for many participants to discuss possibilities.
but first of all - no ignoring the info they were given (animals who eradicate people like flies), no leaving unarmed groups (both APC and dropship had no defenders against animals who eradicate people like flies) and no walking on foot into unknown without any attempt to make connection first (every facility has at least phone connection to outside bosses even today, and even modern military uses small robots with cameras to check places where a human can be potentially killed).

but what you are only doing in any thread where "colonial marines" are mentioned is defending everything about them and repeating "it's not so", so i see no need to argue with you.

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

Yep.

I feel compelled to oppose it for the good of the franchise.


Give it up, P. The matter is settled. You lost.


Probably Burke pulling strings again. Since Craig Windrix is apparently an official Colonial Marine character in-universe now, I like to think that he commanded the Sulaco platoon's second section.

Wait, Windrix is made canon by Fox now ? Where ?

As for the pic there, it does now make it seem really shady that there was no back up unit left of the Sulaco. I know it may have been a cost costing measure by the studio at the time to keep the cast to a minimum when you think about it, but looking back yeah, it does seem really shady how few marines were on board the Sulaco at the time of the mission.

The colony was huge too. You would need more than a handful of marines to cover and search it extensively.

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

You know, part of me would love it if they ever did another Alien movie with the marines as prominent characters, to have a K 9 unit and have the dogs fitted out with cybernetic implants and weaponised harnesses.

 

[P.]

You know, part of me would love it if they ever did another Alien movie with the marines as prominent characters, to have a K 9 unit and have the dogs fitted out with cybernetic implants and weaponised harnesses.

i'm afraid that, if compared to Cameron's movie, it will be like Terminator 5 compared to his terminators: lots of tech and landscapes, but utterly stupid and laughable
i believe that all those franchises should be left as they are, because the result of what people do with them today looks awful like raping a dead body.
i also believe that only games can hold up enough to match those old movies. likely everybody loves Isolation and hates Aliens: Colonial Marines, but i tried A:CM after Jester's advertising of it, and it represents the Cameron's movie atmosphere better than anything i've seen.

* * *

i've already got so many small Neca aliens from A1-A3 plus several Koto aliens that i'm thinking about expanding the collection.
but it's AVP! worst design ever.
but people often say they are made better than previous aliens.
don't know what to do
i love their transparent domes, but bodies look so... human.

 

[Burnside]

i also believe that only games can hold up enough to match those old movies. likely everybody loves Isolation and hates Aliens: Colonial Marines, but i tried A:CM after Jester's advertising of it, and it represents the Cameron's movie atmosphere better than anything i've seen.

Debatable.
Are you familiar with the old AvP games? Namely AvP2+Expansion pack

 

[P.]

Debatable.
Are you familiar with the old AvP games? Namely AvP2+Expansion pack

yep and i LOVE them! (well the addon not so much)
but their atmosphere didn't look as much like A2 movie as A:CM did. it was it's own and unique, while Sega deliberately designed everything to feel like you're in an exact movie.
but again, your mention of that game proves that games manage to match movies a lot better than all those modern "franchise restarts".

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

yep and i LOVE them! (well the addon not so much)
but their atmosphere didn't look as much like A2 movie as A:CM did. it was it's own and unique, while Sega deliberately designed everything to feel like you're in an exact movie.
but again, your mention of that game proves that games manage to match movies a lot better than all those modern "franchise restarts".

Actually enjoy playing the AVP game now and again. The Alien running mechanic is still amazing to me in how they pulled it off so well. Literally straight out of Alien 3 with the POV of the Alien.

 

[Burnside]

yep and i LOVE them! (well the addon not so much)
but their atmosphere didn't look as much like A2 movie as A:CM did. it was it's own and unique, while Sega deliberately designed everything to feel like you're in an exact movie.

Like I said, it's debatable. I feel like A:CM was a hack cash-grab. A fan fiction if you may.

but again, your mention of that game proves that games manage to match movies a lot better then all those modern "franchise restarts".

Some of them, yes.
Please understand, those "modern franchise restarts" are made for a different demographic. It's not a charity.

Actually enjoy playing the AVP game now and again. The Alien running mechanic is still amazing to me in how they pulled it off so well. Literally straight out of Alien 3 with the POV of the Alien.

Is it AvP or AvP2? Two different games

 

[Staps1138]

I found this picture the other day while I was doing some research on making a custom Dietrich from the Neca figures we have available. I've never seen it before so I thought I'd share it. I'm thinking it's after they exited the APC at the atmosphere processing station but before they started there descent to sub level 3 - what do you guys think?

 

[bigbisont]

erm, nope, it wasn't.
they said everything was a specially made-up situtation or a coinscidence or a bad plan or Burke's actions or Gorman's actions. the need of taking that all into concideration only proves the facts:
1. marines lost to unarmed animals in every account with them.
2. if they acted like they were against a threat and not like they were on a sunday walk, they wouldn't lose.
3. ergo - they are unqualified to be in military.
there is nothing to present here and there can be no argument. marines were made stupid to lose, because if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't lose.
...

I'm sure everyone wishes we'd get back on track, but I just gotta say..

1. Short handed human with limited ammo/supplies lost to swarming terrifying creatures. = realistic.
2. Clearly explain plot devices and character's with flaws = tell a story
3. Development of said characters including showing exactly how qualified they were as they overcome adversity = realistic and interesting

Summing them all up as "too stupid to serve" is a huge leap which implies you crave a horribly boring alternative. Would you prefer 11 Spartan style Marines with no personality showing super-hero like stoicism in the face of a previously unknown terrors? Not only would THAT be horribly unrealistic, it would be a 20 min movie.

You are correct the "what they should have done" is a different argument that fan boys can have, but you are using 'what they should have done' as the foundation to dismiss everything as lame. Similarly, you counter arguments that the writing, characters, and plot devices are what made it compelling as simply being intentional stupidity. How can you simplify it down to that when there was plenty in the story showing capability as well.

There was never going to be a movie made where the marines show up, kill everything efficiently (while leaving Ripley in the back of the APC), then go home. Forgive me if I missed it, but do you simply hate the movie and wish it was never made? Is there anything you did appreciate?

 

[bigbisont]

I found this picture the other day while I was doing some research on making a custom Dietrich from the Neca figures we have available. I've never seen it before so I thought I'd share it. I'm thinking it's after they exited the APC at the atmosphere processing station but before they started there descent to sub level 3 - what do you guys think?

I love that pic. All 3 flame unit marines just hanging out. One of the few clear shots of Dietrich we see 'battle ready'.

 

[Staps1138]

I love that pic. All 3 flame unit marines just hanging out. One of the few clear shots of Dietrich we see 'battle ready'.

Yea, one of the things I love about this thread is some of the pictures that get posted that I've never seen before. It may have been you that posted some scenes of the hive with cocooned bodies in bad state of decay that I thought were awesome.

Here's a question for you BB - the flame thrower that Drake gets his hands on as they are retreating out of the hive - was it Ski's or the unit Apone took from Frost? I like knowing stuff like that and it's always been something I wondered about but I don't think we ever got an answer any where that I have seen.

 

[Vector]

 

[bigbisont]

Yea, one of the things I love about this thread is some of the pictures that get posted that I've never seen before. It may have been you that posted some scenes of the hive with cocooned bodies in bad state of decay that I thought were awesome.

Here's a question for you BB - the flame thrower that Drake gets his hands on as they are retreating out of the hive - was it Ski's or the unit Apone took from Frost? I like knowing stuff like that and it's always been something I wondered about but I don't think we ever got an answer any where that I have seen.

OH LORDY. The arguments I have had... This has always been one of the things that drive me insane.

To me, it is common sense that your 100% correct. He surely picked up a squadmate's unit. These are the undeniable facts:
-Dietrich, Ski, and Apone (that he took from Frost) all had flame units on the battle field.
-Screen caps prove NONE of the 3 were using the sling around their bodies. A hand grip alone secured them.
-All 3 were incapacitated and hauled away. While being incapacitated, surely those grips released (maybe not dietrich's, but hey...)
-This means there were up to 3 flame units literally laying around. Just scattered on the battlefield and laying on the ground.
-The first appearance of the flame unit on Drake's person CLEARLY has it slung on one shoulder, over the top of all his other gear. This clearly shows it to have been thrown on hap-hazardly and not in a way one might carry a sidearm into battle on purpose.

You dont wear a 'sidearm' over your arm on top of your primary weapon and dangling outside the frame work of your body.

So physically, it is all pretty cut and dry. More common sense applied to the situation only makes it more likely. As a capable badass, he knew Ammo was low across the whole squad. He knew his own ammo was likely to go out at some point in the near future. Of course he would not leave loaded weapons laying around unused. He picked it up when falling back.

It is a simple explanation that fits every criteria of common sense. But, it was never shown on screen, so you get some who refuse to accept the easy, plausible answer. For some reason they swear up and down that he was just such a badass that he had a 'sidearm' flame thrower (even though he clearly didnt have it on his back at any point until they begin to fall back after the battle had already begun).

Sorry for the rant, but as I have said...I've been in that discussion several times and someone always wants to argue that because they didn't see him do it on screen, it couldn't happen.

I actually felt embarrassed as all hell a few years back going 'super nerd' and actually asking Mark Rolston about it. He sadly didn't remember. First he told me I was right. Then he said he had it the whole time (which is not true per video). Then I realized I was a giant nerd and this was embarrassing as there was no way he would remember unwritten script implications from 30 years ago, so I shuffled off in shame. I can be such a dork sometimes Not proud of it, but at least I know...

 

[a-dev]

Great story.

Your theory on his flamethrower makes total sense to me.