NECA: Alien Movie Franchise Figures

[Staps1138]

OH LORDY. The arguments I have had... This has always been one of the things that drive me insane.

To me, it is common sense that your 100% correct. He surely picked up a squadmate's unit. These are the undeniable facts:
-Dietrich, Ski, and Apone (that he took from Frost) all had flame units on the battle field.
-Screen caps prove NONE of the 3 were using the sling around their bodies. A hand grip alone secured them.
-All 3 were incapacitated and hauled away. While being incapacitated, surely those grips released (maybe not dietrich's, but hey...)
-This means there were up to 3 flame units literally laying around. Just scattered on the battlefield and laying on the ground.
-The first appearance of the flame unit on Drake's person CLEARLY has it slung on one shoulder, over the top of all his other gear. This clearly shows it to have been thrown on hap-hazardly and not in a way one might carry a sidearm into battle on purpose.
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You dont wear a 'sidearm' over your arm on top of your primary weapon and dangling outside the frame work of your body.

So physically, it is all pretty cut and dry. More common sense applied to the situation only makes it more likely. As a capable badass, he knew Ammo was low across the whole squad. He knew his own ammo was likely to go out at some point in the near future. Of course he would not leave loaded weapons laying around unused. He picked it up when falling back.

It is a simple explanation that fits every criteria of common sense. But, it was never shown on screen, so you get some who refuse to accept the easy, plausible answer. For some reason they swear up and down that he was just such a badass that he had a 'sidearm' flame thrower (even though he clearly didnt have it on his back at any point until they begin to fall back after the battle had already begun).

Sorry for the rant, but as I have said...I've been in that discussion several times and someone always wants to argue that because they didn't see him do it on screen, it couldn't happen.

I actually felt embarrassed as all hell a few years back going 'super nerd' and actually asking Mark Rolston about it. He sadly didn't remember. First he told me I was right. Then he said he had it the whole time (which is not true per video). Then I realized I was a giant nerd and this was embarrassing as there was no way he would remember unwritten script implications from 30 years ago, so I shuffled off in shame. I can be such a dork sometimes Not proud of it, but at least I know...

That's awesome! I knew if I got you to reply we would get an in depth response and your story with Rolston was really cool too. I personally think it was Ski's but I'm not so confident that I would add a poll about it. Ski did get blown through the air in the ammo explosion but Apone got pounced on from above and if I remember correctly he was ahead of Drake when he got jumped. The only thing I feel certain about is that it wasn't Dietrich's - lol.

 

[jye4ever]

OH LORDY. The arguments I have had... This has always been one of the things that drive me insane.

To me, it is common sense that your 100% correct. He surely picked up a squadmate's unit. These are the undeniable facts:
-Dietrich, Ski, and Apone (that he took from Frost) all had flame units on the battle field.
-Screen caps prove NONE of the 3 were using the sling around their bodies. A hand grip alone secured them.
-All 3 were incapacitated and hauled away. While being incapacitated, surely those grips released (maybe not dietrich's, but hey...)
-This means there were up to 3 flame units literally laying around. Just scattered on the battlefield and laying on the ground.
-The first appearance of the flame unit on Drake's person CLEARLY has it slung on one shoulder, over the top of all his other gear. This clearly shows it to have been thrown on hap-hazardly and not in a way one might carry a sidearm into battle on purpose.
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You dont wear a 'sidearm' over your arm on top of your primary weapon and dangling outside the frame work of your body.

So physically, it is all pretty cut and dry. More common sense applied to the situation only makes it more likely. As a capable badass, he knew Ammo was low across the whole squad. He knew his own ammo was likely to go out at some point in the near future. Of course he would not leave loaded weapons laying around unused. He picked it up when falling back.

It is a simple explanation that fits every criteria of common sense. But, it was never shown on screen, so you get some who refuse to accept the easy, plausible answer. For some reason they swear up and down that he was just such a badass that he had a 'sidearm' flame thrower (even though he clearly didnt have it on his back at any point until they begin to fall back after the battle had already begun).

Sorry for the rant, but as I have said...I've been in that discussion several times and someone always wants to argue that because they didn't see him do it on screen, it couldn't happen.

I actually felt embarrassed as all hell a few years back going 'super nerd' and actually asking Mark Rolston about it. He sadly didn't remember. First he told me I was right. Then he said he had it the whole time (which is not true per video). Then I realized I was a giant nerd and this was embarrassing as there was no way he would remember unwritten script implications from 30 years ago, so I shuffled off in shame. I can be such a dork sometimes Not proud of it, but at least I know...

lololololololol

oh man how we all have been there so don't feel bad.....but yeah you went full nerd nuclear there. Lol

That's awesome! I knew if I got you to reply we would get an in depth response and your story with Rolston was really cool too. I personally think it was Ski's but I'm not so confident that I would add a poll about it. Ski did get blown through the air in the ammo explosion but Apone got pounced on from above and if I remember correctly he was ahead of Drake when he got jumped. The only thing I feel certain about is that it wasn't Dietrich's - lol.

lol

 

[P.]

There was never going to be a movie made where the marines show up, kill everything efficiently (while leaving Ripley in the back of the APC), then go home. Forgive me if I missed it, but do you simply hate the movie and wish it was never made? Is there anything you did appreciate?

oh no don't get me wrong.
the only thing i'm saying is that marines were lame, inefficient and unqualified to deal with situations because they were ignoring the situation itself, didn't use any tactics or tech that should have been used, and by that they practically defeated themselves.
if shorter - it was the worst "military" representation i've seen in great movies, and thus it looks kind of forced. it's like anderson made predators super stupid and super weak and killable.
as for the movie itself, not only it was the best, for me it was the only watchable one of the whole series.

 

[jye4ever]

I know that i'm going to get slapped for this but I find Alien to be rather boring yet it has one of the best movie monsters in cinema history and a great last 15 minutes.

Aliens will always be the best.

 

[P.]

I know that i'm going to get slapped for this but I find Alien to be rather boring yet it has one of the best movie monsters in cinema history and a great last 15 minutes.

i might be the only person who would agree with you.

 

[Alice]

i might be the only person who would agree with you.

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

I love that pic. All 3 flame unit marines just hanging out. One of the few clear shots of Dietrich we see 'battle ready'.

Very rare shot. Actually makes me want NECA to make her a figure asap.

 

[Jester]

erm, nope, it wasn't.

Um, yes, it was.

they said everything was a specially made-up situtation or a coinscidence or a bad plan or Burke's actions or Gorman's actions.

Exactly.

the need of taking that all into concideration only proves the facts:
1. marines lost to unarmed animals in every account with them.

Untrue. While the xenomorphs are apparently not sapient in a conventional sense, they are directed by a controlling intelligence and possess some degree of problem-solving ability on par with or somewhat superior to Jurassic Park's ridiculously smart dromaeosaurids (operating elevators, cutting power lines, etc). Further, they're by no means "unarmed" with their acid blood, whip-like tails, metal-shearing claws and piston-driven inner jaws combined with greater-than-human strength and agility, to say nothing of their apparent IR-invisibility.

2. if they acted like they were against a threat and not like they were on a sunday walk, they wouldn't lose.
3. ergo - they are unqualified to be in military.

Untrue. Nobody was acting like they were on a Sunday walk, and Murphy's Law knows no favourites. Frankly, given that they were attacked at close-quarters by a melee-based enemy with the element of surprise while outnumbered on the order of something like 17 to 1, it speaks quite well of the Marines that they were able to successfully withdraw from the hive in the first place.

there is nothing to present here and there can be no argument. marines were made stupid to lose, because if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't lose.

Untrue (sensing a pattern, here?) You're arguing in circles.

Again. 17 to 1. Surviving Marine personnel successfully extract with lone remaining civilian survivor in tow. All hostiles eliminated. Mission success.

oh and don't forget that the reactor blue up because marines were so unqualified to be in a military that they disobeyed a direct order to disarm.

The atmospheric processor's reactor started melting down because a heavy metal box filled with fuel and explosives crashed into it, P.

and even armed, they just killed each other. aliens didn't even have to do anything, they just had to scream in shadows - marines would take out each other without any problem, destroying the reactor at the same time.

So how did they survive the xenos screaming at them in the shadows after Apone torched the chestburster, P?

what you want to hear is "what should they have done not to lose", but it's another topic, big and long, for many participants to discuss possibilities.

I know what they should have done. No discussion needed.

but first of all - no ignoring the info they were given (animals who eradicate people like flies), no leaving unarmed groups (both APC and dropship had no defenders against animals who eradicate people like flies) and no walking on foot into unknown without any attempt to make connection first (every facility has at least phone connection to outside bosses even today, and even modern military uses small robots with cameras to check places where a human can be potentially killed).

but what you are only doing in any thread where "colonial marines" are mentioned is defending everything about them and repeating "it's not so", so i see no need to argue with you.

Stop accusing others of using your debating tactics, P.

Wait, Windrix is made canon by Fox now ? Where ?

I think it was mentioned around the time his figure was announced.

As for the pic there, it does now make it seem really shady that there was no back up unit left of the Sulaco. I know it may have been a cost costing measure by the studio at the time to keep the cast to a minimum when you think about it, but looking back yeah, it does seem really shady how few marines were on board the Sulaco at the time of the mission.

The colony was huge too. You would need more than a handful of marines to cover and search it extensively.

QFT.

You know, part of me would love it if they ever did another Alien movie with the marines as prominent characters, to have a K 9 unit and have the dogs fitted out with cybernetic implants and weaponised harnesses.

I've actually been thinking about getting a NECA Colonel Stars and Stripes just to try and adapt the dog into a USCM K9.

i'm afraid that, if compared to Cameron's movie, it will be like Terminator 5 compared to his terminators: lots of tech and landscapes, but utterly stupid and laughable
i believe that all those franchises should be left as they are, because the result of what people do with them today looks awful like raping a dead body.

That's the danger, but I believe the potential for greatness still exists. Heck, I'd love to a see a movie that focused solely on the relationship between the USCM and the various mega-corps it seems to be used as the enforcer of in the Technical Manual's little blurbs and excerpts.

i also believe that only games can hold up enough to match those old movies. likely everybody loves Isolation and hates Aliens: Colonial Marines, but i tried A:CM after Jester's advertising of it, and it represents the Cameron's movie atmosphere better than anything i've seen.

Bah! Now I have to agree with you for a change.

Debatable.
Are you familiar with the old AvP games? Namely AvP2+Expansion pack

You're forgetting the small problem of those games having Predators in them.

Actually enjoy playing the AVP game now and again. The Alien running mechanic is still amazing to me in how they pulled it off so well. Literally straight out of Alien 3 with the POV of the Alien.

I liked "ALICE."

Like I said, it's debatable. I feel like A:CM was a hack cash-grab.

That's definitely true to some extent, given Gearbox's apparent misappropriation of funds from it for their Borderlands games, but A:CM still holds up well, for all that.

A fan fiction if you may.

Much less so than Alien 3, which reads like the scribblings of some Aliens-loving emo teenager trying to be "edgy".

I found this picture the other day while I was doing some research on making a custom Dietrich from the Neca figures we have available. I've never seen it before so I thought I'd share it. I'm thinking it's after they exited the APC at the atmosphere processing station but before they started there descent to sub level 3 - what do you guys think?

Neat. Thanks for posting.

I'm sure everyone wishes we'd get back on track, but I just gotta say..

1. Short handed human with limited ammo/supplies lost to swarming terrifying creatures. = realistic.
2. Clearly explain plot devices and character's with flaws = tell a story
3. Development of said characters including showing exactly how qualified they were as they overcome adversity = realistic and interesting

Summing them all up as "too stupid to serve" is a huge leap which implies you crave a horribly boring alternative. Would you prefer 11 Spartan style Marines with no personality showing super-hero like stoicism in the face of a previously unknown terrors? Not only would THAT be horribly unrealistic, it would be a 20 min movie.

You are correct the "what they should have done" is a different argument that fan boys can have, but you are using 'what they should have done' as the foundation to dismiss everything as lame. Similarly, you counter arguments that the writing, characters, and plot devices are what made it compelling as simply being intentional stupidity. How can you simplify it down to that when there was plenty in the story showing capability as well.

There was never going to be a movie made where the marines show up, kill everything efficiently (while leaving Ripley in the back of the APC), then go home. Forgive me if I missed it, but do you simply hate the movie and wish it was never made? Is there anything you did appreciate?

Indeed.

Sorry for the rant, but as I have said...I've been in that discussion several times and someone always wants to argue that because they didn't see him do it on screen, it couldn't happen.

I actually felt embarrassed as all hell a few years back going 'super nerd' and actually asking Mark Rolston about it. He sadly didn't remember. First he told me I was right. Then he said he had it the whole time (which is not true per video). Then I realized I was a giant nerd and this was embarrassing as there was no way he would remember unwritten script implications from 30 years ago, so I shuffled off in shame. I can be such a dork sometimes Not proud of it, but at least I know...

Were you in costume when you asked him?

oh no don't get me wrong.
the only thing i'm saying is that marines were lame, inefficient and unqualified to deal with situations because they were ignoring the situation itself, didn't use any tactics or tech that should have been used, and by that they practically defeated themselves.

Yeah, yeah, "the only thing" is the exact same baseless complaint you've been getting repeatedly smacked down for over the last few pages...

I know that i'm going to get slapped for this but I find Alien to be rather boring yet it has one of the best movie monsters in cinema history and a great last 15 minutes.

Aliens will always be the best.

i might be the only person who would agree with you.

I concur. I don't hate Alien but I don't get the almost religious reverence a lot of people seem to hold it in.

Very rare shot. Actually makes me want NECA to make her a figure asap.

Same here.

 

[VLAGAS]

I think I'd be correct in saying that the general consensus is Aliens being the highlight of the franchise?

Can't believe some people are picking on Alien though

Regarding ACM above anything that game is a huge disappointment. Is there some fun to be had... yes. Does that fun then make you wish you were living in an alternate reality where the game was actually good... Yes.

If you haven't ever watched this review it's definitely worth a watch if you're into this kind of thing:

 

[a-dev]

I think I'd be correct in saying that the general consensus is Aliens being the highlight of the franchise?

I wouldn't say so. I think A1 fans are at least more vocal around here, so much so that I've actually been surprised by their lack of response to the past few posts.

 

[Jester]

I think I'd be correct in saying that the general consensus is Aliens being the highlight of the franchise?

I think so.

Can't believe some people are picking on Alien though

Again, I don't particularly hate Alien but it just leaves me cold. None of the characters really interested me (besides Kaine, because John Hurt is always fun to watch regardless of what he's doing) and I'm just not a fan of the whole slasher/last girl movie genre, regardless of whether the story in question is set on Earth or in space. What really pisses me off, though, is people looking down their noses at Aliens while praising Alien to the heavens as some kind of transcendent objet d'art.

Regarding ACM above anything that game is a huge disappointment. Is there some fun to be had... yes. Does that fun then make you wish you were living in an alternate reality where the game was actually good... Yes.

I don't believe there was anything terribly wrong with it, gameplay or story-wise, and I think I've probably established my nerd-cred in being one of the most hard-core Aliens/USCM fans on this board. Yeah, there were some bugs (but being a member of the Glorious PC Master Race, I was less afflicted by these than the Dirty Console Peasants), but then, Isolation had its fair share, too, combined with a story that arguably made much less sense, all things considered.

If you haven't ever watched this review it's definitely worth a watch if you're into this kind of thing:

If that's the review I remember, then I remember wanting to pistol-whip Angry Joe with a VP70.

 

[Burnside]

You're forgetting the small problem of those games having Predators in them.

Predator is like a boss character. He is not there for the most part.

That's definitely true to some extent, given Gearbox's apparent misappropriation of funds from it for their Borderlands games, but A:CM still holds up well, for all that.

Much less so than Alien 3, which reads like the scribblings of some Aliens-loving emo teenager trying to be "edgy".

More like scribblings of several teenagers. David Fincher never had a finished script for this ahem... "Alcatraz in Space". So yeah, this Frankenstein of a script was destined to suck

 

[Jester]

Predator is like a boss character. He is not there for the most part.

They still wreck the Marines versus Aliens dynamic, if we're judging the games on the basis of how well they approximate the experience of the movie. Not that I didn't enjoy blowing away Preds with an M41A, mind you...

So tell me then, in your opinion, apart from the bugs and somewhat less than top-of-the-line graphics, what was wrong with it, exactly?

More like scribblings of several teenagers. David Fincher never had a finished script for this ahem... "Alcatraz in Space". So yeah, this Frankenstein of a script was destined to suck

LOL, true.

 

[Burnside]

They still wreck the Marines versus Aliens dynamic, if we're judging the games on the basis of how well they approximate the experience of the movie. Not that I didn't enjoy blowing away Preds with an M41A, mind you...

Just go with AvP: Gold circa 1999. Grab a box of diapers for the marine campaign, it has everything you need: a dark colony, infinite xenos, facehugger=instant death.

So tell me then, in your opinion, apart from the bugs and somewhat less than top-of-the-line graphics, what was wrong with it, exactly?

It felt like a Quake4 retarded cousin. Don't get me wrong, I love me some retro FPS.
Just in this particular case, there was no need for the Alien license at all. It seems to me, that Gearbox just didn't know what to do with it from a gameplay perspective, so half of the campaign is dedicated to WY commandos. They could use some of the game mechanics implemented by studios like Rebellion or Monolith to introduce more variety to the mix. Instead we've got a generic FPS with a retro feel to it.
Oh and no story or characters to talk about.

 

[Jester]

Just go with AvP: Gold circa 1999. Grab a box of diapers for the marine campaign, it has everything you need: a dark colony, infinite xenos, facehugger=instant death.

Bought it off of Steam last year. Colour me unimpressed.

It felt like a Quake4 retarded cousin. Don't get me wrong, I love me some retro FPS.

I must be blanking on the part where Winter gets reassembled into a half-xenomorph killing machine.

Just in this particular case, there was no need for the Alien license at all. It seems to me, that Gearbox just didn't know what to do with it from a gameplay perspective, so half of the campaign is dedicated to WY commandos.

The Weyland-Yutani PMCs are a very necessary part of the plot, because without a human enemy to cause problems, the whole game would take about 10 minutes to finish.

They could use some of the game mechanics implemented by studios like Rebellion or Monolith to introduce more variety to the mix.

Not really. The game already has pretty much everything a Colonial Marines FPs needs in terms of game mechanics.

Oh and no story or characters to talk about.

Now you're just being cute.

 

[Yahzee]

...are you still arguing about this? It's been what, a week? I get it, though, macho types have nerdgasms with Aliens even though the Marines in the movie get acid up their assess

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[P.]

it's just Jester unable to live calmly until at least one person says something about marines he doesn't agree with.
i think i'll put him to ignore list.

 

[abake]

I wouldn't say so. I think A1 fans are at least more vocal around here, so much so that I've actually been surprised by their lack of response to the past few posts.

I find Alien to be a far superior movie, with better visuals, better acting and a more intriguing story, so yeah, I think it's far better than Aliens for me.
But there's no need to get into huge arguments over it.
Aliens is pretty good, just a bit dated IMHO.

 

[P.]

Aliens is pretty good, just a bit dated IMHO.

watched it this summer, and yep, that tech doesn't meet our expectations anymore. those cameras...

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

I wouldn't say so. I think A1 fans are at least more vocal around here, so much so that I've actually been surprised by their lack of response to the past few posts.

I think Aliens is the most mainstream and most quotable of the franchise, but it really depends I guess for one, which movie got you into the franchise and universe and two, what kind of movie is an Alien movie to you as an individual. It really is a mixed bag. Me? I will always treat the first three as the ' real ' Ripley story, and anything after that as gravy. Alien 5 to me needs to be a fresh start. Ripley as cool as she is has had her story told.