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You can make a Vietnam style film that is beautiful to look at (Apocalypse Now.) But the more raw "Platoon-esque" (two months before Platoon no less) documentary-style film was absolutely the way to go. I find that not only is ALIENS the most timeless of all the films in the series (a retro war film but with forward thinking elements like 16:9 monitors in all facilities/vehicles that wouldn't become standard in real life until more than a decade later) but it's one of the most timeless sci-fi actioners period. Lose a couple moments of obvious rear projection and Ripley's 80's Reeboks and the film has elements of the 70's, 80's, even today with "totally played it straight" production values and performances across the board (minus a couple weak line readings by Paxton that are mostly in the extended cut.)

If horror movies are your thing then you certainly won't prefer ALIENS. If dismissing Cameron's entire body of work because he's gone off the rails with Avatar is your thing then again, ALIENS won't be for you either. But I remember Joss Whedon lamenting back in 1997 that he knew after Alien 3 everyone wanted the promised "Earth War" but that it just wasn't feasible to actually have that play out on screen. He said, "aside from the budget being insurmountable it's not going to be this thing where the aliens come to earth and are hiding under your bed." But Cameron himself had already come up with an excuse to bring every kid's nightmare to life, your mom tucks you in bed and you're left alone in your room while you know there are monsters lurking around, with the whole Ripley tucking in Newt thing. He squeezed damn near every awesome scenario you could possibly imagine with these creatures into one film, no small reason IMO why it's been so hard for any director to do a satisfying follow-up since 1986, Ridley Scott included.
 
I loved Ghostbusters and Caddyshack when released, hate them now.

I hated Batman Returns when released, love it now.

I hated Superman 3/4 when released, I still hate them. :lol
 
You can make a Vietnam style film that is beautiful to look at (Apocalypse Now.) But the more raw "Platoon-esque" (two months before Platoon no less) documentary-style film was absolutely the way to go. I find that not only is ALIENS the most timeless of all the films in the series (a retro war film but with forward thinking elements like 16:9 monitors in all facilities/vehicles that wouldn't become standard in real life until more than a decade later) but it's one of the most timeless sci-fi actioners period. Lose a couple moments of obvious rear projection and Ripley's 80's Reeboks and the film has elements of the 70's, 80's, even today with "totally played it straight" production values and performances across the board (minus a couple weak line readings by Paxton that are mostly in the extended cut.)

If horror movies are your thing then you certainly won't prefer ALIENS. If dismissing Cameron's entire body of work because he's gone off the rails with Avatar is your thing then again, ALIENS won't be for you either. But I remember Joss Whedon lamenting back in 1997 that he knew after Alien 3 everyone wanted the promised "Earth War" but that it just wasn't feasible to actually have that play out on screen. He said, "aside from the budget being insurmountable it's not going to be this thing where the aliens come to earth and are hiding under your bed." But Cameron himself had already come up with an excuse to bring every kid's nightmare to life, your mom tucks you in bed and you're left alone in your room while you know there are monsters lurking around, with the whole Ripley tucking in Newt thing. He squeezed damn near every awesome scenario you could possibly imagine with these creatures into one film, no small reason IMO why it's been so hard for any director to do a satisfying follow-up since 1986, Ridley Scott included.


Khev convinced me... ALIENS is better then ALIEN :lol

Seriously though.. I love me some ALIENS... I really think its one of the best most original sequels ever. Even with the retread ending. I mean to follow a Horror movie with an action film is such a cool way to take the series rather then try and make another ALIEN. It's a toss up between ALIENS and T1 as Cameron's best work. I love the characters and the dialogue. In fact it's those two things that are done better in ALIENS then ALIEN. I like the dialogue and characters in ALIEN. I like their realistic feel and mundane conversations in ALIEN but there is no "Game over man, Game over" type lines :) My only issue is that I think ALIENS takes a bit too long to set up. Not for first time viewing mind you... It was all fine the first time I saw it but now I find the stretch of first landing on the planet till they find ALIEN hive to really drag.. There are other moments that drag for me (especially in the Director's cut) but overall it's a well put together adventure and I really would not change anything.

ALIEN is just more to my liking because of it's style. I love the look of the film and it never drags for me because of that. Even though there are some boring moments for sure but it's shot so beautifully and the sets by Giger and Cobb are just perfect and a character all themselves.
 
I loved Ghostbusters and Caddyshack when released, hate them now.

I hated Batman Returns when released, love it now.

I hated Superman 3/4 when released, I still hate them. :lol

Hate Ghostbusters??? Is there anything to hate?? I mean you don't have to love it but hate... You are dead inside my friend :lol

Never been the biggest fan of Caddyshack.

I agree about Batman Returns even though I did not hate it way back when but it is by far the best of that area of Batman films.

Always hated Superman 4... I use to find 3 enjoyable.. but I was much younger back then.
 
Khev convinced me... ALIENS is better then ALIEN :lol

Seriously though.. I love me some ALIENS... I really think its one of the best most original sequels ever. Even with the retread ending. I mean to follow a Horror movie with an action film is such a cool way to take the series rather then try and make another ALIEN. It's a toss up between ALIENS and T1 as Cameron's best work. I love the characters and the dialogue. In fact it's those two things that are done better in ALIENS then ALIEN. I like the dialogue and characters in ALIEN. I like their realistic feel and mundane conversations in ALIEN but there is no "Game over man, Game over" type lines :) My only issue is that I think ALIENS takes a bit too long to set up. Not for first time viewing mind you... It was all fine the first time I saw it but now I find the stretch of first landing on the planet till they find ALIEN hive to really drag.. There are other moments that drag for me (especially in the Director's cut) but overall it's a well put together adventure and I really would not change anything.

ALIEN is just more to my liking because of it's style. I love the look of the film and it never drags for me because of that. Even though there are some boring moments for sure but it's shot so beautifully and the sets by Giger and Cobb are just perfect and a character all themselves.

Well, I don't really have to write anything now that you're saying all I wanna say. Thanks ;-)
 

What about Prometheus?? I like it Ok but I really don't even consider that a part of the ALIEN series... I don't like what they did to the Space Jockey... I prefer to think of that as some weird Alien creature.. Not some Humanoid wearing a suit. Nice looking film but I have only watched it twice so that might say something about the film.

Still better the ALIEN resurrection. Maybe I can consider it part of the AvP series :)
 
Yeah I remember us talking about this once before... I always remember the people that don't love JAWS.. I put them on my list :lol

Jaws will always be up there with the best for me. Great characters, feels entirely real and unscripted - it's got those mundane conversations you mention that make it feel like a real town with real people. Everyone looks ordinary rather than 'Hollywood'. Imagine if they remade it. *shudders*
 
Jaws will always be up there with the best for me. Great characters, feels entirely real and unscripted - it's got those mundane conversations you mention that make it feel like a real town with real people. Everyone looks ordinary rather than 'Hollywood'. Imagine if they remade it. *shudders*

I want to live there with those people. I love that town so much.. I went to Martha's Vineyard a few years ago and it was like I was at my home away from home. It was actually not that hard to figure out and find your way around. It has not changed that much.

Yeah the Dialogue is great.. One of the benefits of the Shark not working.. they got to sit around and work on the script much more then they normally would. the Actors, writers, and Director got to add bits to the script. Plus some non credited bits from John Milius - I'll find him for thee but I will catch him an kill him for ten and the Indianapolis speech.
 
What about Prometheus?? I like it Ok but I really don't even consider that a part of the ALIEN series... I don't like what they did to the Space Jockey... I prefer to think of that as some weird Alien creature.. Not some Humanoid wearing a suit. Nice looking film but I have only watched it twice so that might say something about the film.

Still better the ALIEN resurrection. Maybe I can consider it part of the AvP series :)

Again, I totally agree. I watched it several times in the cinema. Liked it but thought if I had to consider it a part of Alien it ruined more than it added. Main problem is that Ridley Scott is complicating things. Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 are all very simple concepts and perhaps therefor way deeper...
But yes, I do like it better than Resurrection.
 
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I want to live there with those people. I love that town so much.. I went to Martha's Vineyard a few years ago and it was like I was at my home away from home. It was actually not that hard to figure out and find your way around. It has not changed that much.

Yeah the Dialogue is great.. One of the benefits of the Shark not working.. they got to sit around and work on the script much more then they normally would. the Actors, writers, and Director got to add bits to the script. Plus some non credited bits from John Milius - I'll find him for thee but I will catch him an kill him for ten and the Indianapolis speech.

Gotta watch Jaws again soon.
 
JAWS had perfect dialogue way before Tarrantino introduced perfect dialogue.

JAWS doesn't have actors, it has real people.

A movie about a freaking fish, go figure.
 
Again, I totally agree. I watched it several times in the cinema. Liked it but thought if I had to consider it a part of Alien it ruined more than it added. The problem with this and many of Scott's later movies is that he's complicating things. Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 are all very simple concepts and therefor way deeper...
But yes, I do like it better than Resurrection.

Yep.. I agree.. Just way to overcomplicated. I agree it hurts the original if I think of it as part of the series so I am somehow able to separate it form the original series and think of it as a stand alone film that stole some of the props from ALIEN :lol

I just don't like ideas like "the aliens were created" and the Space Jockey being Humanoid. One of the great things about the Humanoid in the original is that it really was ALIEN looking. You had no idea what you where really looking at. But like I said, I still find it enjoyable.


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WOW! Is that the new look for the ALIEN in part 5 ??? Perfect.. Just Perfect!
 
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