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That's what sideshow needs to realize. At $350 to $399, people buy entire series and variants. At $400+ people struggle to justify variants (especially when they are like red son and show up with a $80 bump...)

I will say that while I know that SSC won't go this low, I so agree to a point that at $350 I might try to go for BOTH this and the variant, but right now I think I may be waiting to see how the variant turns out. I guess it all depends if I fall in love with THIS PF though...that will lead to some serious decision making.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. That guy is up to no good. He's been asking for the Banhammer for quite some time. (Between you and me.)

I mean who starts a user name with a "-" and then fails to capitalize the first letter of a PROPER noun. That's like a federal offense in some countries. It's just disgusting.



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:lol :lol

How dare you? :mad:

MUAHAHAHAHA!! I dare! :lol :nana:

You can blame Darklord Dave for that. He put the - and no cap j. I was Jase before but someone already had -jase- so Dave changed me to -jay- :( :lol

:lol Dave thought you looked more like a "Jay" than a "Jase". :lol
 
And if this is partial to full PC to reduce lean weight, remember Igo/Alex said PVC was more expensive to produce than polystone.
 
... And leaves horrible looking mold seams around the neck and hands, from what I've seen.
Without any fabric they would probably look even worse.
 
That's what sideshow needs to realize. At $350 to $399, people buy entire series and variants. At $400+ people struggle to justify variants (especially when they are like red son and show up with a $80 bump...)

I get what you're saying, but why would SS care if they still "sell out" at the higher price points?

I will be surprised if this isn't $470. It is a fantastic sculpt by all accounts of arguably the most popular marvel character of all time - and SS knows it.

What better item to test the new price point? Will $470 result in lower sales? Highly unlikely in my opinion.
 
If they were thinking of using material other than polystone they wouldn't be talking about using steel rods to reenforce the arm because there wouldn't be a need to.

Has someone from sideshow discussed the steel rods, or just us?
 
If they were thinking of using material other than polystone they wouldn't be talking about using steel rods to reenforce the arm because there wouldn't be a need to.
PVC statues can lean as well. For example, I think some Enterbay Way Of The Dragon statues decided to do the Smooth Criminal lean .....
 
Also, I noticed something different from the thumbnail picture in the email, and the official reveal page picture... Possible ex/addition switch out?

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Will $470 result in lower sales? Highly unlikely in my opinion.

I think it's a bit absurd to say that a price difference of $70 won't net any difference in direct sales. I would be curious to see how the sales have been for the new premium formats coming in with higher prices, specifically Darkseid, Arkham Joker/Bats, and Red Son Superman. It would be impossible to know since Sideshow would never release that information. The massive edition sizes, higher price points, and inconsistency in quality control are going to start wearing on collectors. I just hope Spider-man doesn't suffer the same fate.
 
I get what you're saying, but why would SS care if they still "sell out" at the higher price points?

I will be surprised if this isn't $470. It is a fantastic sculpt by all accounts of arguably the most popular marvel character of all time - and SS knows it.

What better item to test the new price point? Will $470 result in lower sales? Highly unlikely in my opinion.

IMHO Ambasah has hit the nail on the head...

Many of us want Sideshow to lower their prices. So we attempt to rationalize why it makes sense for Sideshow to maintain a $350 - $400 price point. The problem is...we are making these assumptions and assertions in a vacuum...in other words we don't have the benefit of being able to look at Sideshow's financial information. Sideshow's management make their decisions based on their historical and current financials. While many of us would like to believe "if Sideshow only priced their PFs at $350 then folks would buy some much more product"...Sideshow may have information that indicates that even at $450 - $500 price points a certain percentage of customers will still buy an entire series and variants.

Let's not forget...Sideshow is a company that has continually raised prices during suspect economic times...yet they are still here. The only way you can survive raising prices in this type of environment is that a large portion of your customer base has been accepting of these increases. And if your customer base is accepting of price increases...then a business is going to continue to raise their prices.
 
I get that, but you can't tell me that they don't lose some customers with each price increase on their products. There is going to be some attrition as the prices continue to climb. We all know these prices aren't a result of lower edition sizes and better quality control, so the question is what is driving them? Have production costs really gone up that much? Have they not made up some of the difference by inflating their edition sizes and making variants of as many statues as they can?
 
Has someone from sideshow discussed the steel rods, or just us?

Here is where Igo talks about it and the two switchouts

There is an ex, and it's two new parts, not just one… WHAT WHAT!?!

And we've had tons of meetings with production about making sure there's a long solid metal something going through that arm to help with the lean, we will see…

I cant blame people for saying they want to wait for in hands because of that and paint, it's hard to get it right, and you guys have every right to wait till it's proven to hand over your money for it.
 
As someone who went to school for business I often find it interesting what some people say about why and how SS operates and it leaves me with some of you have no clue. So it's refreshing to see somebody hypothesize about the business in a logical manner but fully admit we don't have their information, so we don't know. Good post traylorc. I don't like what were being charged for these things now either, but many can only see the prices from a personal perspective and not from a business perspective.

It reminds me of accounting drills where we had to work out sales, profits, etc. it's not as simple as some of you think. But the simplified end of it comes down to how much it costs to get something made and maintained (R&D, production, overhead and storage), how much you want to earn from selling it after deductions (profit), and how many you need to sell to earn what you want to earn and that much is reasoned by other research and data. But understanding the basics does allow for breaking the rules...

IMHO Ambasah has hit the nail on the head...

Many of us want Sideshow to lower their prices. So we attempt to rationalize why it makes sense for Sideshow to maintain a $350 - $400 price point. The problem is...we are making these assumptions and assertions in a vacuum...in other words we don't have the benefit of being able to look at Sideshow's financial information. Sideshow's management make their decisions based on their historical and current financials. While many of us would like to believe "if Sideshow only priced their PFs at $350 then folks would buy some much more product"...Sideshow may have information that indicates that even at $450 - $500 price points a certain percentage of customers will still buy an entire series and variants.

Let's not forget...Sideshow is a company that has continually raised prices during suspect economic times...yet they are still here. The only way you can survive raising prices in this type of environment is that a large portion of your customer base has been accepting of these increases. And if your customer base is accepting of price increases...then a business is going to continue to raise their prices.
 
As long as SS the only one who can make 1:4 Spidey statue. They can charge any price they like
 
Has someone from sideshow discussed the steel rods, or just us?

Igo said so.

PVC statues can lean as well. For example, I think some Enterbay Way Of The Dragon statues decided to do the Smooth Criminal lean .....

That's because the foot pegs into the base were done improperly, same with the Sideshow Mort PVC. What we're talking about is reenforcing the entire arm into the body not just because of the peg into the base which will have to actually be larger than normal but because with Polystone the chances of that arm bending anf then breaking are more substantial because of the way he's posed.
 
I get that, but you can't tell me that they don't lose some customers with each price increase on their products. There is going to be some attrition as the prices continue to climb. We all know these prices aren't a result of lower edition sizes and better quality control, so the question is what is driving them? Have production costs really gone up that much? Have they not made up some of the difference by inflating their edition sizes and making variants of as many statues as they can?

My first guess is desired profits. Production costs have gone up, Igo's stated it on the other forum, the heads of XM have mentioned it as the reason they cut other corners that don't take away from their statues, like not using professional photography for their statues and using cheap hotels to cut travel costs to their factory visits. If all those other factors cost more, you need to make more to cover those costs and maintain the same profit margin, because nobody wants to make less money, so as a result the prices we're charged go up.

Also, it depends on what SS's strategy is. Maybe they have less customers buying higher priced items...to me it seems, and I don't really know, but it seems they have a longer term strategy. I say this because ES is still high. Maybe the plan is to sell higher to cover their own costs and not loose profit margins, but keep stock longer for longer term sales, which is why ES is high. They know they made 9,500 Batmans before they decided to do a variant, and with them not sold out they made 9,500 Wonder Women, too, knowing that Batman with the same ES has piles of sitting stock. But they're popular characters, there will always be somebody wants them. When I started collecting a lot of the main characters weren't in stock...there was no DC, no Spidey, no Cap, no Wolverine, no Hulk...if I didn't love comics characters and the minor guys I would've passed by SS's site, but look at them now. At any given point you can find an abundance of the most popular characters, some in several versions (Batman, Superman, Hulk, Cap, soon to be Spidey), while the minor characters are showing up less and less. This will keep newer collectors coming, many who will probably be one off buyers who just want their favorite, but that favorite will be around for a while in some version or another.

They know what they're doing. We might not always like it or agree, but they know what they're doing. Or at least think they do. If our consumer habits change, that will throw off their entire game plan (ie, low sales). But hopefully they'll be smart enough to adapt.
 
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I think it's a bit absurd to say that a price difference of $70 won't net any difference in direct sales. I would be curious to see how the sales have been for the new premium formats coming in with higher prices, specifically Darkseid, Arkham Joker/Bats, and Red Son Superman. It would be impossible to know since Sideshow would never release that information. The massive edition sizes, higher price points, and inconsistency in quality control are going to start wearing on collectors. I just hope Spider-man doesn't suffer the same fate.

sure they will lose some sales with the higher price point. what I am saying is that it won't affect their bottom line.

If you could sell 1000 tomatoes for $10 or 900 tomatoes for $15, which would you choose?
 
Has someone from sideshow discussed the steel rods, or just us?
Igo said the need was discussed at length but couldn't guarantee it would happen :(
Also, I noticed something different from the thumbnail picture in the email, and the official reveal page picture... Possible ex/addition switch out?

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Where have you been? :lol That is the Ex, as confirmed last night, but there will also be a second switch out part included.
 
I have a question. Should I get the comiquette or PO this one? I only have room for one in my display.

Any help is much appreciated.
 
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