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[filip629]

But it IS a factor. Another example is Thor If I buy an XM one now from spec fiction its priced at $1600 BEFORE shipping. compared to SS thats Less then half. Yes they are double the retail to me as I live in America and do have to pay very high shipping. I also stated how it's a pain in the ass part of which is they sold out before I could even try to PO one. All of that goes into the equation as does the lack of QC on SS part.

I have no problem spending exponentially less and not having to go through a a huge hassle to acquire something even if they have QC issues because of SS return/exchange policy. With all that said I can pick and choose exactly what to order so I would only order things I really want. This spiderman (once I get to see the whole thing) is a good example. I want a spiderman this one looks great I like it better then the S. Cambell one so I will get it at a much lower price point then its competitors (if there was any competitors).

Regardless of my personal opinion the point was to state as a business SS can inflate prices and still be cheaper then its competitors. thats a fact.

That's a fact for you because you are an international customer. Not everyone is.

 

[krzykoopa]

That's a fact for you because you are an international customer. Not everyone is.

Yes, I am talking from being in the U.S.

 

[Iko Iko]

You're right....I don't want to listen you at all

I just read my post and even I am depressed with it.

I take everything back - Sideshow, prove me wrong on this piece!

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

I just read my post and even I am depressed with it.

I take everything back - Sideshow, prove me wrong on this piece!

I think if Statues like Wonder Woman vs Superman and Hard Hero Daredevil can be pulled off, so can this.

 

[Iko Iko]

I think if Statues like Wonder Woman vs Superman and Hard Hero Daredevil can be pulled off, so can this.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[sarakawa]

I think if Statues like Wonder Woman vs Superman and Hard Hero Daredevil can be pulled off, so can this.

Those are smaller scale no? Are they polystone?

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Those are smaller scale no? Are they polystone?

Hard Hero Daredevil is about 1/6th but it's still pretty big and he's up-side-down on one arm over a building top. The Wonder Woman Vs Superman is a probably 1/7th but Her Foot Connects to his chest diagonally, which was crazy, though her leg came broken quite a bit but that was DC Directs packaging more than anything.

And yes, both are polystone.

 

[Spidey976]

The whole XM vs SSC is know and we have discussed it to death haven't we??

In the end BOTH companies can put out amazing pieces. Yeah, XM has a great QC program but they aren't perfect. Yeah SSC has some fixing they can and should do, but when they are on they are FANTASTIC.

This is a SPECTACULAR piece by MASTER Martin Canale, and I haven't seen a more dynamic 1/4 statue than this. Can XM match it in the sculpt department? Yeah maybe. Can they beat it in the paint department? Again it all depends in which factory SSC uses. In the end, for MANY collectors THIS Spidey will be perfect for their collection, and for others they will chase the XM. In the end who really gives a flyin flippin frack... We as collectors get to ogle the pretty artwork and get what we want in OUR collections. That is all that matters.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

The whole XM vs SSC is know and we have discussed it to death haven't we??

In the end BOTH companies can put out amazing pieces. Yeah, XM has a great QC program but they aren't perfect. Yeah SSC has some fixing they can and should do, but when they are on they are FANTASTIC.

This is a SPECTACULAR piece by MASTER Martin Canale, and I haven't seen a more dynamic 1/4 statue than this. Can XM match it in the sculpt department? Yeah maybe. Can they beat it in the paint department? Again it all depends in which factory SSC uses. In the end, for MANY collectors THIS Spidey will be perfect for their collection, and for others they will chase the XM. In the end who really gives a flyin flippin frack... We as collectors get to ogle the pretty artwork and get what we want in OUR collections. That is all that matters.

The Debate wasn't over quality, which means you kinda missed the point. It was over pricing. Which seems to be on the rise at both companies.

 

[sarakawa]

The Debate wasn't over quality, which means you kinda missed the point. It was over pricing. Which seems to be on the rise at both companies.

I'm not sure XM is really raising their prices...the more expensive ones are pretty much because of size. Granted they are more expensive than SSC to begin with but their baseline hasn't really changed all that much. SSC on the other hand is just raising prices willy nilly regardless of scale. They probably have some legitimate reasons but the main one still has to be "we think we can put this out at $450+ because it's still going to sell out at some point."

 

[loricstone]

My question is...why are you referring to the SS prices of almost 3 years or more ago? Instead, you should be comparing current prices. If SS comes out with another Wolverine...you can bet after taxes and shipping for us US buyers, it will cost a smidge under $500 and that is taking into account iffy paints apps and QC (going off the current SS record) and definitely less extras included. I think a better comparison about prices would be SS cost of Spidey vs. XM cost of Spidey...since we know both companies are now working on tons of Spidey characters.

 

[sarakawa]

My question is...why are you referring to the SS prices of almost 3 years or more ago? Instead, you should be comparing current prices. If SS comes out with another Wolverine...you can bet after taxes and shipping for us US buyers, it will cost a smidge under $500 and that is taking into account iffy paints apps and QC (going off the current SS record) and definitely less extras included. I think a better comparison about prices would be SS cost of Spidey vs. XM cost of Spidey...since we know both companies are now working on tons of Spidey characters.

If SSC released a Wolverine PO TODAY, it would be $500 retail...

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

My question is...why are you referring to the SS prices of almost 3 years or more ago? Instead, you should be comparing current prices. If SS comes out with another Wolverine...you can bet after taxes and shipping for us US buyers, it will cost a smidge under $500 and that is taking into account iffy paints apps and QC (going off the current SS record) and definitely less extras included. I think a better comparison about prices would be SS cost of Spidey vs. XM cost of Spidey...since we know both companies are now working on tons of Spidey characters.

Or how about SSC Modern Thor and XM Thor. SSC Thor - $439.99USD+ Shipping XM Thor $795.00USD+Shipping.

Hows that.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

If SSC released a Wolverine PO TODAY, it would be $500 retail...

No it wouldn't, come on now you can't even say that with an factual basis, it's more likely he'd be around $440 to $450.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

I'm not sure XM is really raising their prices...the more expensive ones are pretty much because of size. Granted they are more expensive than SSC to begin with but their baseline hasn't really changed all that much. SSC on the other hand is just raising prices willy nilly regardless of scale. They probably have some legitimate reasons but the main one still has to be "we think we can put this out at $450+ because it's still going to sell out at some point."

Are you telling me Thor is larger than Thanos? Because he's definately more Expensive than Thanos.

 

[sarakawa]

No it wouldn't, come on now you can't even say that with an factual basis, it's more likely he'd be around $440 to $450.

Ok, it is my opinion that he would be $500. I truly believe this. Wolverine is HUGE...insanely popular. Arkham bats and red son supes are $470. I think they would definitely put Wolverine out at $500...no question. It will be interesting to see what Spidey comes out as because that may or may not reinforce this theory(even though it means nothing since there is no new Wolverine POing anytime soon). But if Spidey came out at $470 or more, I think it's easily feasible that Wolverine would be $500.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Ok, it is my opinion that he would be $500. I truly believe this. Wolverine is HUGE...insanely popular. Arkham bats and red son supes are $470. I think they would definitely put Wolverine out at $500...no question. It will be interesting to see what Spidey comes out as because that may or may not reinforce this theory(even though it means nothing since there is no new Wolverine POing anytime soon).

I think this will be under $470. Which may surprise people, and if Spidey is Under $470, so would Wolverine, so we can settle that arguement Tuesday

 

[sarakawa]

Are you telling me Thor is larger than Thanos? Because he's definately more Expensive than Thanos.

He's $75 more than Thanos but look at the spinning hammer Thor comes with. Up to debate if that's worth the extra money but it account for it I think.

 

[traylorc]

My first guess is desired profits. Production costs have gone up, Igo's stated it on the other forum, the heads of XM have mentioned it as the reason they cut other corners that don't take away from their statues, like not using professional photography for their statues and using cheap hotels to cut travel costs to their factory visits. If all those other factors cost more, you need to make more to cover those costs and maintain the same profit margin, because nobody wants to make less money, so as a result the prices we're charged go up.

Also, it depends on what SS's strategy is. Maybe they have less customers buying higher priced items...to me it seems, and I don't really know, but it seems they have a longer term strategy. I say this because ES is still high. Maybe the plan is to sell higher to cover their own costs and not loose profit margins, but keep stock longer for longer term sales, which is why ES is high. They know they made 9,500 Batmans before they decided to do a variant, and with them not sold out they made 9,500 Wonder Women, too, knowing that Batman with the same ES has piles of sitting stock. But they're popular characters, there will always be somebody wants them. When I started collecting a lot of the main characters weren't in stock...there was no DC, no Spidey, no Cap, no Wolverine, no Hulk...if I didn't love comics characters and the minor guys I would've passed by SS's site, but look at them now. At any given point you can find an abundance of the most popular characters, some in several versions (Batman, Superman, Hulk, Cap, soon to be Spidey), while the minor characters are showing up less and less. This will keep newer collectors coming, many who will probably be one off buyers who just want their favorite, but that favorite will be around for a while in some version or another.

They know what they're doing. We might not always like it or agree, but they know what they're doing. Or at least think they do. If our consumer habits change, that will throw off their entire game plan (ie, low sales). But hopefully they'll be smart enough to adapt.

Great post Peedi...you make some great points....particularly on why Sideshow may be focusing on the most popular of characters.

I believe many of us are puzzled on why Sideshow keeps cranking out Batman, Batman's rogues, Superman, Wonder Woman and of course variants of the aforementioned characters. Sideshow knows these characters will always sell, more importantly, the success of the Big Three allows Sideshow to take some "chances" when it comes to pricing other products. Sideshow is in a position to charge $600 for Darkseid (even though the PF is not as big as other statues at that price point) or charge $479 for the Iron Patriot variant. Even if those two products are not successful...the profits generated from the Big Three essentially subsidizes those less profitable products. But if Darkseid and Iron Patriot wind up being very successful...then that becomes a "having your cake and eating it too" moment for Sideshow.

 

[Spidey976]

The Debate wasn't over quality, which means you kinda missed the point. It was over pricing. Which seems to be on the rise at both companies.

Oh no Josh I got the point, but I guess I forgot to mention that the SSC Cost vs XM Cost discussion has been mention a dozen or more times by now as well. In the end XM has to be more expensive to ensure they make a profit with a smaller production run. However, again the debate is slightly pointless. Can't we just enjoy talking about THIS statue for, Oh I don't know, more than 24 hrs before the same old same old happens to this thread.