NFL Thread

[Darth Snoopy]

I'm not hate'n on any team...Karma doesn't like that and will "reward" you for it.

I'm happy my Chargers are in with the 2nd seed, a bye week to rest players and are HOT right now!

 

[316what]

Black Monday casualties thus far:

Zorn in Washington
ENTIRE coaching staff in Buffalo

 

[Darth Cruel]

I heard some talk on the radio yesterday about Bill Cower going back in to coaching.

I hope not.

If he does...the Steelers would have to play against his team, eventually.

Edit - Imagine if Bill Cower ended up at the Browns with Mike Holmgren as the TP.

The Browns might end up with a high-caliber team as long as the great minds could coperate. And I don't see anything in the past of those two that would indicte that they would not.

 

[user 1190]

I heard some talk on the radio yesterday about Bill Cower going back in to coaching.

I hope not.

If he does...the Steelers would have to play against his team, eventually.

Edit - Imagine if Bill Cower ended up at the Browns with Mike Holmgren as the TP.

The Browns might end up with a high-caliber team as long as the great minds could coperate. And I don't see anything in the past of those two that would indicte that they would not.

If he is coming back this year its not with the Browns. I am pretty sure Mangini saved his job with the hot finish to the season plus Holmgren said something to the effect that 1 year is not a fari test of a coach.

 

[Darth Cruel]

If he is coming back this year its not with the Browns. I am pretty sure Mangini saved his job with the hot finish to the season plus Holmgren said something to the effect that 1 year is not a fari test of a coach.

Which is nothing short of a great indicator of this mans ability.

I think it is pathetic when owners change coaches like they do underwear.

 

[wofford29]

Black Monday casualties thus far:

Zorn in Washington
ENTIRE coaching staff in Buffalo

Reportedly Cable is out in Oakland as well.

 

[user 1190]

Which is nothing short of a great indicator of this mans ability.

I think it is pathetic when owners change coaches like they do underwear.

Yeah give them 3 years if they dont show anything can them. The only time I could see pulling the trigger earlier is if there is other than in game performance issues by the team. IE locking a player in a closet with a concussion.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Which is nothing short of a great indicator of this mans ability.

I think it is pathetic when owners change coaches like they do underwear.

Agreed.

Owners who do this often end up like the kid in your pic.

 

[user 1190]

Reportedly Cable is out in Oakland as well.

Whats funny is that is surprising yet not surprising. Only Al Davis can cause that kind of response.

 

[wofford29]

I would love to see Oakland throw themselves back at Gruden.

 

[karamazov80]

I agree that the coaching carousel, in both the NFL and NCAA football, is ridiculous. Coaches and QBs get way too much credit and blame, and you can't possibly isolate the impact of a coach after a single year, or even after two years. Sure, guys like Bill Parcells or Nick Saban can almost single-handedly turn a team around, but those guys are extremely rare. You need to give guys a chance to work on changing the culture and the physical makeup of the team.

NBA isn't much better, either. Hornets coach Byron Scott was coach of the year a couple years ago. They had a bad year last year and a slow start this year, and now he's gone. Scapegoating the coach for something that involves questionable GM/ownership decisions and sub-par players is way too commonplace. Unfortunately, though it pisses us all off from time to time, it's hard to fault coaches from going where the money is first chance they get. Because even if you are loved today where you are, you could be gone tomorrow if your team doesn't produce. Jason Garrett was one of the hottest coaching prospects in the league a couple years ago. Then his team had a bad year and nobody wanted him. If teams come calling again after this year, if I was him, I would take the money and run.

 

[Darth Cruel]

I agree that the coaching carousel, in both the NFL and NCAA football, is ridiculous. Coaches and QBs get way too much credit and blame, and you can't possibly isolate the impact of a coach after a single year, or even after two years. Sure, guys like Bill Parcells or Nick Saban can almost single-handedly turn a team around, but those guys are extremely rare. You need to give guys a chance to work on changing the culture and the physical makeup of the team.

NBA isn't much better, either. Hornets coach Byron Scott was coach of the year a couple years ago. They had a bad year last year and a slow start this year, and now he's gone. Scapegoating the coach for something that involves questionable GM/ownership decisions and sub-par players is way too commonplace. Unfortunately, though it pisses us all off from time to time, it's hard to fault coaches from going where the money is first chance they get. Because even if you are loved today where you are, you could be gone tomorrow if your team doesn't produce. Jason Garrett was one of the hottest coaching prospects in the league a couple years ago. Then his team had a bad year and nobody wanted him. If teams come calling again after this year, if I was him, I would take the money and run.

I am the first to scream "Foul!" When the coaches and players do that. But you do make a valid point there.

 

[316what]

Reportedly Cable is out in Oakland as well.

Not for at least 1 more week.

 

[Darth Madden]

So the NFL is thinking about giving the good teams extra draft picks to "reward" them for playing their starters the last few games. Why should they be rewarding them for doing something they should do anyway. Wouldn't it be better to take away picks if they don't play the starters? Reward the good teams with even more picks.... yeah good idea.

 

[Darth Cruel]

So the NFL is thinking about giving the good teams extra draft picks to "reward" them for playing their starters the last few games. Why should they be rewarding them for doing something they should do anyway. Wouldn't it be better to take away picks if they don't play the starters? Reward the good teams with even more picks.... yeah good idea.

Yeah...seems like negative reinforcement is a lot more appropriate in this case.

 

[karamazov80]

I think that providing either incentives or disincentives to teams for playing starters is a bad idea. Imagine a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning getting injured going into the playoffs in a pointless game. That means less revenue for you, stupid NFL people. Resting players or playing them is part of a strategic calculation by coaches. It probably hurts more than it helps anyway (look how well the Colts typically fare after resting players), but if you are gonna have the seeding system in place, with byes and home field advantages, then you should give teams the fair choice of deciding how to play out a season.

But then, money talks.

I am the first to scream "Foul!" When the coaches and players do that. But you do make a valid point there.

The only cases that really piss me off are where people lie to the fans faces (e.g. Saban). But even there, he was probably creating extra bargaining leverage with U of Alabama, so it was probably all about money. His agent probably asked the Alabama people, "how much money would you put on the amount of public shame that Saban is going to encounter looking like a lying scumbag? An extra couple million, at least!"

 

[user 1190]

Hmm so they fired the whole staff in Buffalo but they are allowing Fewell to interview for the Head Coach job that he was just fire from as an interim coach. WTF???

 

[user 1190]

I think that providing either incentives or disincentives to teams for playing starters is a bad idea. Imagine a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning getting injured going into the playoffs in a pointless game. That means less revenue for you, stupid NFL people. Resting players or playing them is part of a strategic calculation by coaches. It probably hurts more than it helps anyway (look how well the Colts typically fare after resting players), but if you are gonna have the seeding system in place, with byes and home field advantages, then you should give teams the fair choice of deciding how to play out a season.

But then, money talks.

Well there is two problems with this.

One its a big middle finger to season ticket holders who have to pay full price for a seat to watch backups play, after already having to do so in the pre season.

Two the Jets do not deserve to be in the playoffs, there were given a spot they did not earn because but pure luck they got to play a team they didnt need to win and chose to give up the game even though they were leading.

 

[LOTRFan]

ENTIRE coaching staff in Buffalo

Maybe the new coach can help keep the players healthy?

 

[Darth Cruel]

Well there is two problems with this.

One its a big middle finger to season ticket holders who have to pay full price for a seat to watch backups play, after already having to do so in the pre season.

Two the Jets do not deserve to be in the playoffs, there were given a spot they did not earn because but pure luck they got to play a team they didnt need to win and chose to give up the game even though they were leading.

It is a rare occasion when I agree with an argument that a team does not deserve to be in the playoffs. I am usually of a mind that if a team makes it there...there were enough other teams that didn't get the job done as well, no matter how poorly said playoff team did during the season. But there are circumstances that get unworthy teams in from time to time. This is one. Another is when team play down to another team because they have an opportunity to help an easier team into the playoffs...thereby making the overall playoff picture a little easier.

I am just glad it is the exception, and not the norm.