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Are you kidding? I'd be partying like its 1999 if I ended up playing Denver in the playoffs.
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Are you kidding? I'd be partying like its 1999 if I ended up playing Denver in the playoffs.
I just hope they get rid of AJ Smith.
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SixMillionDollarMan Guy
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And Del Rio gets the boot. No big surprise there. Kinda surprised it didn't happen last season. So who's next? Norv Turner? Tony Sparano? Todd Haley? John McCarthy? ............ Just had to put that one in there
He's going to be gone. Chargers have lost 6 in a row. So much talent wasted over the years.
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.....Agreed.....
Why is that, guys? Team is running the ball down people's throats. Ball control offense, no turnovers. Much improved defense. QB that will win the game at the end if close.
They might not be able to run with GB or NO or a high scoring offense, but most AFC teams don't fit that criteria aside from NE.
iron.jedi83
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of course they have to get to the playoffs first 
I dont see the Denver Tewbos beating any of the other playoff teams if they made the playoffs. I think the only team they might have a chance to beat is the Bengals
They have beat some bad teams and OK Jets team on very short rest.
If they can manage beat both NE and CHI (and damm did they get lucky with CHI injuries)
They have beat some bad teams and OK Jets team on very short rest.
If they can manage beat both NE and CHI (and damm did they get lucky with CHI injuries)
Darth Cruel
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Denver is riding a pretty unique wave right now. But I think it is still premature to get expectations up. How their season winds to its end is a subject of great interest to me.
There are still possibilities of arguing that they haven't beat any well balanced teams excpet for KC who is well balanced at the wrong end of the scale. Most of the others have had some strong issues on either offense or defense.
They are still in a position, schedule-wise, that it would be no great surprise for them to lose out the rest of the season.
I am kind of on the Tim Tebow bandwagon. As long as he never beats my beloved Steelers, I am happy for his being able to thumb his nose at the haters. But his row is still a tough one to hoe.
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Anyone know the status of Darren McFadden? When do the Raiders expect him to play?
316what, where are you?
316what, where are you?
As soon as a team controls that option and puts it in Tebow's hands, they're done, and they don't have an elite defense. They've been playing well the past couple of weeks and keeping the team in games, but we haven't seen Tebow come back from 3 scores down and win a game like some of the championship caliber offenses can. That defense is going to crack, and they're going to have to face a front 7 that can stop that run/option game, and when that happens I don't see Tebow passing for 400 yds and 3 or 4 TDs.
I'm as impressed with Tebow and on the band wagon like the next guy, but to say you like their chances against a team like Pittsburgh in the play-offs is listening to your heart instead of reason. You should feel better about Baltimore going in as a WC if Denver wins the division. Their 3 loses came on the road against 3 teams below .500, and Flacco's post season numbers are laughable at best. Under Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh is 10-3 in the play-offs, and even when down multiple scores are a legitimate threat to win. Being down 21-7 at the half against Baltimore they came back and allowed like 54 yds of offense in the 2nd, and giving up 24 points off of 3 turnovers and a missed 50 yd FG they still damn near beat Green Bay in the Super Bowl, getting the ball with just over 1:30 to go and down by 6. If Denver does win the Division, they're best bet with the play-off picture now would be against Cincy, but even that wouldn't be a cakewalk. Cincy has a stingy D and capable offense, and probably should have beat Baltimore in their house if not for questionable officiating (but that's been about all of Baltimore's big wins this season).
Sorry, but what Denver has been doing is sound fundamentals against struggling teams. I can see Tebow meeting Jared Allen the hard way, finding out why Chicago is called the Monsters of the Midway and looking like he's packing a water pistol in a duel against Brady. Of their 5 remaining games, I see them winning 2, 3 at the most, and missing the play offs anyway.
Where did I say they were going to? I have faith they can win their schedule out but that doesn't mean they will. It's possible for them to win out and Baltimore drop another road game to a sub-par team. The Steelers winning their division is a lot more realistic than Denver winning theirs.
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Anyone know the status of Darren McFadden? When do the Raiders expect him to play?
316what, where are you?
He's currently projected to return against Green Bay. He is no longer wearing the walking boot.
ProgMatinee
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Von Miller might be out for the Minnesota game. That will hurt. He's as important as any player on the Broncos.
Sprig you make all excellent points...I'm not saying the Broncos make the playoffs, what I am saying that IF they do they will be a fearsome team to go up against because that will have meant that at the least they went 8-3, 9-2 to end the season which is pretty dang hot and if they are to win those tougher games against the Bears and NE then it will have shown they can hang.
Regarding comebacks, the Broncos aren't suited well to come from 3 scores back, but who is?
The whole Broncos game plan prevents getting that far behind in the first place. Ball control, field position, etc. If that plan fails like against Detroit they can obviously get blown out...but that can be said for almost any team whose game plan fails in a particular game. Can the Saints win without the pass? Can the Steelers win if they gave up 200 yards rushing, for example?
Sprig you make all excellent points...I'm not saying the Broncos make the playoffs, what I am saying that IF they do they will be a fearsome team to go up against because that will have meant that at the least they went 8-3, 9-2 to end the season which is pretty dang hot and if they are to win those tougher games against the Bears and NE then it will have shown they can hang.
Regarding comebacks, the Broncos aren't suited well to come from 3 scores back, but who is?
The whole Broncos game plan prevents getting that far behind in the first place. Ball control, field position, etc. If that plan fails like against Detroit they can obviously get blown out...but that can be said for almost any team whose game plan fails in a particular game. Can the Saints win without the pass? Can the Steelers win if they gave up 200 yards rushing, for example?
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SixMillionDollarMan Guy
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Excellent points, as well. I'm eagerly anticipating seeing how Tebow fairs the rest of the season against much stiffer opponents. I want to see if he can pick a team back up after faltering and lead a big comeback, and I also want to see if teams stop their run/option plan that is he capable of taking a game over and having huge numbers. The guy is an awesome talent and so fun to watch. I'm rooting for him every week and would like to see them make the play-offs and see if they can make some noise. I'm rooting for him unless he goes against the Steelers.
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He does have a 15 point comeback with less than 4 minutes under his belt, which I think is the first time thats ever happened. He ALMOST brought the donkeys back down 26-10 against the Chargers in week 5 when he came in at halftime and brought them within a game winning hail Mary.
Of course, the Chargers were completely caught off guard at the time.
I'll be curious if teams really "figure out" the option offense. Obviously some games will be better than others, but if one team beats the Broncos I don't know if it will signal being "figured out". It possible they just have a better game.
1)NFL defenses aren't constructed to stop it because they don't have to face it. Their personnel isn't built that way and IF the Broncos wanted to be the only offense in the NFL to run it I don't think coaches around the NFL are going to draft or bring in personnel to stop a team they play at most 2 times a year.
2)Coaches aren't going to have time to redesign and gameplan for a completely different offense in 4-5 days. If they think they can change their defense in that short a time, I say "best of luck, we'll see you on the field". I'm more inclined to think they'll slightly change the defense and use a spy or something rather than completely rework their system.
I really think a lot of people make too much out of the option being a simple college or highschool offense. What it is is an offense that exploits the best athelete on the field. As long as Tebow is the best athelete out there its going to be effective.
Its sorta like isolation in basketball. Its not a complex offense to clear out the lanes and have LeBron go one on one...but as long as LeBron is the best player out there its going to work.
Thats how I feel anyway.
Of course, the Chargers were completely caught off guard at the time.
I'll be curious if teams really "figure out" the option offense. Obviously some games will be better than others, but if one team beats the Broncos I don't know if it will signal being "figured out". It possible they just have a better game.
1)NFL defenses aren't constructed to stop it because they don't have to face it. Their personnel isn't built that way and IF the Broncos wanted to be the only offense in the NFL to run it I don't think coaches around the NFL are going to draft or bring in personnel to stop a team they play at most 2 times a year.
2)Coaches aren't going to have time to redesign and gameplan for a completely different offense in 4-5 days. If they think they can change their defense in that short a time, I say "best of luck, we'll see you on the field". I'm more inclined to think they'll slightly change the defense and use a spy or something rather than completely rework their system.
I really think a lot of people make too much out of the option being a simple college or highschool offense. What it is is an offense that exploits the best athelete on the field. As long as Tebow is the best athelete out there its going to be effective.
Its sorta like isolation in basketball. Its not a complex offense to clear out the lanes and have LeBron go one on one...but as long as LeBron is the best player out there its going to work.
Thats how I feel anyway.
I'm a Tebow defender of sorts, but I do think that in general, he has to rely on a solid defense to win. That option style offense works for him, and he is as clutch as anyone in the NFL IMO. But can it work against a team that's scoring 35+? Yes, they scored a lot on the Raiders, but on average they're scoring less than 20 per game with Tebow (that are in the bottom 1/4 of teams in the league in terms of scoring).
iron.jedi83
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what would be great is if Tebow gets an offseason where the coaches really work with him and his passing game improves then the broncos offense will be really difficult to stop since they will essentially have three ways to attack defenses: Tebow passing it, Tebow running it, or RB running it. and the defense will only get better as long as Fox and Elway draft quality players
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