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I am sure Detroit will be pretty big players come FA day. Especially with Lidstrom finally calling it a career they have a lot of $ freed up. The thing with Detroit is they rarely in previous years made much of a splash with big name FA. They always grew their talent from within. I think they will be players this year though and going hard for whichever top 2 D are available. I'm not so sure that Nashville is out of the picture in regards to Suter, but time will tell.

I'll be curious what they Pens do between now and the start of FA. I hope they are able to make a deal at the draft. For who and for what I don't know, but it would be nice if there was a small shakeup on the back end..
 
I am sure Detroit will be pretty big players come FA day. Especially with Lidstrom finally calling it a career they have a lot of $ freed up. The thing with Detroit is they rarely in previous years made much of a splash with big name FA. They always grew their talent from within. I think they will be players this year though and going hard for whichever top 2 D are available. I'm not so sure that Nashville is out of the picture in regards to Suter, but time will tell.

I don't know if I'd say that they always grew talent from within. Quite a few of their star players during their cups in the last decade and a half have come from trades that benefited them greatly. That's not a knock, but a testament to the job that Jimmy Devellano, Bryan Murray, Scotty Bowman, and Ken Holland. With the core they already had the deals for Shanny, Hull, Hasek, Larry Murphy and so on cemented them as a great team.
 
I don't know if I'd say that they always grew talent from within. Quite a few of their star players during their cups in the last decade and a half have come from trades that benefited them greatly. That's not a knock, but a testament to the job that Jimmy Devellano, Bryan Murray, Scotty Bowman, and Ken Holland. With the core they already had the deals for Shanny, Hull, Hasek, Larry Murphy and so on cemented them as a great team.

Yes, they did they same thing the Pens and B's did, get the solid veteran. All the names you listed there came in the twilight of their careers. Just like the pens got Billy Guerin and Recchi helped out your squad. I was more or less talking about getting stars in their mid 20's or just getting ready to enter the prime of their career :duff
 
You both are right.

The Detroit Red Wings made their team a product of winning Stanley Cups by drafting smart in the draft...

Lets take a further look:

Henrik Zetterberg, 7th round (210th overall)
Pavel Datsyuk, 6th round (161th overall)
Nicklas Lidstrom, 3rd round (53rd overall)
Sergei Fedorov, 4th round (74th overall)
Vladimir Konstantinov, 11th round (221st overall)
Johan Franzen, 3rd round (97th overall)
Tomas Holmstrom, 10th round (257th overall)

These are some of the core star/superstar brass that have made up the team's 4 Cups from 1997 to 2008. Not one of those players was a 2nd round pick. A true testament to Detroit's management and scouting staff!

I dare not bring up Steve Yzerman's name. He was a early pick, and a clear choice at 4th overall. Granted he should have gone first overall in the 1983 NHL Draft, not Brian Lawton.

Now lets move onto their signings and trades for the other core players that made them winners...

Kris Draper, Kirk Maltby, Larry Murphy, Brian Rafalski, Daniel Cleary, Brendan Shanahan, Chris Chelios....

Brett Hull and Luc Robitaille only played into one Cup each, but definitely were apart of Red Wing Cup Championships.

At the end of the day, what Detroit does so well, is staying on top of the standings, continuously being a Cup contender year-in and year-out for two straight decades. They have accomplished this from growing their core out through successful draft years, and building onto that core, by signing established veteran complimentary players into a winning culture.

So neither of you are wrong. You're both right. In the end, you can't just sign a team and expect to win year-in and year-out like the Rangers did pre-2004/2005 lockout, nearly buying two thirds of their roster through signings and trades. Or focus solely on just winning through getting top picks like the Edmonton Oilers of today. It's the best of both worlds. It all comes down to management and the scouting staff. Once you have that, everything else follows.
 
Eeeep, I forgot about Igor Larionov. Goalies don't get a mention and here's why...

Osgood (twice), Hasek, and Vernon. They win no matter who's in net, and that includes Joseph and Howard.

Once you have a strong team both offensively and defensively, who is in net is important, yes, but the best isn't required to win Championships.

Example: Neimi with Chicago in 2010, and well, Osgood. :)

Leave Fleury alone! haha
 
Part of the famed KLM line from Soviet hockey of the '80s. Along with Vladimir Krutov and Sergei Makarov.

Also Krutov just died 3 days ago. :(

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=397756

I knew of the line very well. Also, knew the year they were all brought over.. 1990.

They were the Russian Pioneers of the NHL.

Having said that, I did not know of Krutov's death. That is very unfortunate. btw He was a disappointment with Vancouver. I remember how he was billed as such a huge star... the next best thing not in the NHL, much like Jiri Dopita was in his home country when the Philadelphia Flyers signed him.
 
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I am sure Detroit will be pretty big players come FA day. Especially with Lidstrom finally calling it a career they have a lot of $ freed up. The thing with Detroit is they rarely in previous years made much of a splash with big name FA. They always grew their talent from within. I think they will be players this year though and going hard for whichever top 2 D are available. I'm not so sure that Nashville is out of the picture in regards to Suter, but time will tell.

I'll be curious what they Pens do between now and the start of FA. I hope they are able to make a deal at the draft. For who and for what I don't know, but it would be nice if there was a small shakeup on the back end..

So, Ill take this with a grain of salt, but thought Id share

My father in law is members at a prestigous golf course in Mtl and one of the other members he golfed with today has a connection to the Habs and told him, the Habs are trying to trade Price to Pittsburgh for Staal and Fleury....

Ill beleive it when it happens, but this is basically the only trade I would accept to see Staal leave in.
 
So, Ill take this with a grain of salt, but thought Id share

My father in law is members at a prestigous golf course in Mtl and one of the other members he golfed with today has a connection to the Habs and told him, the Habs are trying to trade Price to Pittsburgh for Staal and Fleury....

Ill beleive it when it happens, but this is basically the only trade I would accept to see Staal leave in.

Too much. Not buying into it and neither is Shero. Staal was our best forward in this past year's playoffs, and that's saying a lot when you have Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz, Sullivan, and Dupuis as forwards.

Fleury has more success in the playoffs than Price.... sure, Fleury crapped the bed, but so did the Pens defence, and again, we let special teams beat us. We played like a bunch of goons, and took too many big hits that took our guys out of the game/positioning. Left Fleury to hang... Not saying he was ____, but I don't see Price being that upgrade... especially if we're also moving Staal to get him. Give us the Montreal 1st pick in this year's draft along with Price and I would consider it if I was Shero. Even then, I am not convinced that is enough.
 
I have a diaper on and am sucking my thumb under my security blanket.

Is that you Mr. Passenger....

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23 games - 4 goals - 10 assists - 14 points - +10 - 22 PIMs - 1 SHG - 1 GWG

Who's stat line is that? Erik Karlsson? Nope. Kris Letang? Nope.

Bryce Salvadore!!!

:panic:
 
Hahahah. Good to see Bryce getting his due. Hes been a favorite of mine since joining the team with the Janssen trade. Denier joked its his contract year so hes making himself more marketable.
 
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