Obama's speech....

[automaton]

perhaps if the masses realized that the planet doesn't need saving, but the current life on the planet does, they would look further than their parents ideals and forward think for themselves.

 

[woodsy]

This is the sort of nonsense that has no place in intelligent discussion. Clearly you agree with every last thing your parents have ever said since you haven't "distanced" yourself from them. Right? Oh.

And how exactly does ignoring the facts lend itself to intelligent discussion Why is the truth nonsense? ...oh that's right 'cause it doesn't line up with what you want to believe. While there is nothing you can do about the family you are born into, Obama and Wright are not related...which you already know so why you're comparing their relationship with a true family relationship is beyond me. Fact : Obama sat under Wright's egomaniacal,racist, anti-America teaching [or rather garbage]for over 20 years. And how did he criticize his extremist pastor/ friend? Fact: He made him one of his presidential spiritual advisor's....wow I'll bet that taught him a lesson! And when did Obama finally distance himself from this whack-job? Fact : Right after his teaching were exposed, and no thanks to the left wing media. So what does Obama do next? Fact: Not only does he break all ties with dear old grandpa Wright, he breaks all ties with his church as well. Which raises a good question.....If Wright said or did nothing wrong, if the church did nothing wrong, then why was Obama in such a rush to walk [actually run would be a more suitable word] away from his church of 20+ years?

I think I can safely say what constitutes character and integrity in your eyes is vastly different than my definition. And none of your "intelligent discussion" is going to change that.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Every politician makes compromises in order to help secure a political seat. McCain has done the same, 8 years ago he was far more centrist than he is now - he had to compromise his beliefs in order to become a candidate that the hardline Republicans can accept.

This thread is teetering on the brink of getting the lock - we don't need to call people names because we disagree with them.

 

[barbelith]

And how exactly does ignoring the facts lend itself to intelligent discussion

It doesn't. But that's not what's happening. Certain people are making assumptions and pretending those are facts. The fact is that having a controversial pastor does not mean you agree with all of the controversial things that pastor says. Nor does recognizing an influential member of the black community might have relevant insight in his scope of expertise mean you will rely on his fringe thoughts about things outside the scope of his expertise.

This sort of smear by association is the lowest of the low, because it's flagrantly anti-intellectual and pretends Obama - or anyone else - does not have the mental capacity to sort wheat from chaff.

I did not compare Wright to family - I made the point that we all have longstanding acquaintances whom we do not kick to the curb solely because we occasionally bitterly disagree with them. That's precisely the divisive mentality that has been destroying this country since 1996. It's a mentality that regrettably leads to political situations like having to exile an acquaintance because the spin machine won't tolerate mere criticism.

Obama sat under Wright's egomaniacal,racist, anti-America teaching [or rather garbage]for over 20 years.

I can't name a single president from either party nor a single high profile religious figure who isn't an egomaniac. It comes with the territory. I dispute Wright is racist or anti-American. The government and its policies are not America.

 

[LOTRFan]

Great school them on how to produce Oil. Thats wonderful. Its doing a great job of tearing this planet up. So if that impresses you then boy you must love how things are right now. As far as Obama's speculative vision of alternative fuels studies have shown the stuff he wants to do will work. Personally I want to try those and do what we can to help save this planet. I'd personally like to see your kids and someday my kids, grandkids, etc still be able to live here.

Actually Josh she will be more than apt at describing the conditions in Alaska, both the advantages and risks - and have a credible voice at doing just that; you do know how she took on BIG OIL in Alaska, right? Fuel studies have shown that certain alternatives have a possibility of being effective, unless of course you are talking about nuclear - which IS effective, you can ask the French.

The issue is larger than oil however, it extends to alternative fuels as well, listening to voices like perhaps even T. Boone Pickens.

 

[customizerwannabe]

Obama scares me. McCain doesn't. Other than that, I don't care to have either of them run the country.

 

[The Josh]

Actually Josh she will be more than apt at describing the conditions in Alaska, both the advantages and risks - and have a credible voice at doing just that; you do know how she took on BIG OIL in Alaska, right? Fuel studies have shown that certain alternatives have a possibility of being effective, unless of course you are talking about nuclear - which IS effective, you can ask the French.

The issue is larger than oil however, it extends to alternative fuels as well, listening to voices like perhaps even T. Boone Pickens.

I haven't researched her yet honestly. Never even heard of her till McCain picked her and honestly I doubt in 18 months she took on big oil. She was the mayor of a town smaller than the one I live in and has been in charge of Alaska for only 18 months as I said. So I doubt she's done anything of note. Other than get herself in trouble with some corruption and getting her ex brother in law kicked off the police force.

As far as Pickens goes I like what the guy has to say.

 

[barbelith]

Obama scares me.

What specifically are you afraid of? Which of his policies do you think will hurt people?

 

[Khev]

What specifically are you afraid of? Which of his policies do you think will hurt people?

Partial-birth abortion. Allowing it under any circumstances is about as evil a practice as I can imagine. Its Hitler-esque. Hell its Palpatine-esque. I understand there are many Americans who believe that nothing is lost when an unborn child is killed during its first trimester. But crushing the skull of an innocent little kid mere days or weeks before delivery is profoundly wrong.

I don't care how slick he is when making speeches. I understand that people want our economy to turn around and different decisions to be made regarding the war in Iraq. But not at the cost of electing someone with Obama's near total lack of morality when it comes to murdering innocents.

 

[woodsy]

Partial-birth abortion. Allowing it under any circumstances is about as evil a practice as I can imagine. Its Hitler-esque. Hell its Palpatine-esque. I understand there are many Americans who believe that nothing is lost when an unborn child is killed during its first trimester. But crushing the skull of an innocent little kid mere days or weeks before delivery is profoundly wrong.

I don't care how slick he is when making speeches. I understand that people want our economy to turn around and different decisions to be made regarding the war in Iraq. But not at the cost of electing someone with Obama's near total lack of morality when it comes to murdering innocents.

Of course you know the socialists out there will justify crushing the skulls of innocent babies by saying their not really babies until the second they're born. And you're right, Obama's voting record makes it crystal clear how he feels on the issue.

It's ironic don't you think, that the only reason these socialists [who believe in this sick, barberic practice] are alive today is because their parents thought their lives were precious. It's this kind of hypocrisy that just makes me sick.

 

[bumblebee]

I like it. He has my vote for sure.

Same here.

 

[LOTRFan]

I haven't researched her yet honestly.

So you have made up your mind about her, and have done nothing to educate yourself?! Unfortunately that is par for the course with many voters. I am not singling you out necessarily Josh, but there are so many vocal Obama-ites (and also those for McCain) who are voting out of reactionism rather than a clear handle on the issues; they don't like Bush, but haven't come to terms with Obama either.

 

[RJMacReady16]

Partial-birth abortion. Allowing it under any circumstances is about as evil a practice as I can imagine. Its Hitler-esque. Hell its Palpatine-esque. I understand there are many Americans who believe that nothing is lost when an unborn child is killed during its first trimester. But crushing the skull of an innocent little kid mere days or weeks before delivery is profoundly wrong.

I don't care how slick he is when making speeches. I understand that people want our economy to turn around and different decisions to be made regarding the war in Iraq. But not at the cost of electing someone with Obama's near total lack of morality when it comes to murdering innocents.

I want a premium format of GI Mod Khev

 

[The Josh]

So you have made up your mind about her, and have done nothing to educate yourself?! Unfortunately that is par for the course with many voters. I am not singling you out necessarily Josh, but there are so many vocal Obama-ites (and also those for McCain) who are voting out of reactionism rather than a clear handle on the issues; they don't like Bush, but haven't come to terms with Obama either.

She was just chosen. I haven't had time to yet. Have you? Did you know McCain was gonna go with her? I mean everyone on every station seemed to be pretty damn shocked. So yeah I haven't yet but just based on what I've done she sides with Bush/McCain and I have no want for more of that.

 

[LOTRFan]

She was just chosen. I haven't had time to yet. Have you? Did you know McCain was gonna go with her? I mean everyone on every station seemed to be pretty damn shocked. So yeah I haven't yet but just based on what I've done she sides with Bush/McCain and I have no want for more of that.

No of course not, no one saw this one coming; but since the announcement, yes I have done my homework - I view it as the only option, right?

She is certainly weak in the experience category, but so is Obama - and HE is the one running for commander-in-chief. We'll see, but there is much more to her as a candidate than just to take the "Hillary supporters."

 

[automaton]

weak in experience... as opposed to the "experience" Bush has shared with the country?

 

[LOTRFan]

weak in experience... as opposed to the "experience" Bush has shared with the country?

No, I am simply referring to his overall lack of executive powers and that most of his one term has been spent campaigning - or at least jockeying to.

 

[Darklord Dave]

So you have made up your mind about her, and have done nothing to educate yourself?! Unfortunately that is par for the course with many voters. I am not singling you out necessarily Josh, but there are so many vocal Obama-ites (and also those for McCain) who are voting out of reactionism rather than a clear handle on the issues; they don't like Bush, but haven't come to terms with Obama either.

Personally I know enough about her - she wants Creationism taught in schools - to me that makes her far too dangerous to hold high office in this country.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Personally I know enough about her - she wants Creationism taught in schools - to me that makes her far too dangerous to hold high office in this country.

I agree..

Weird choice.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

Personally I know enough about her - she wants Creationism taught in schools - to me that makes her far too dangerous to hold high office in this country.

That would be something that would have to be passed by congress..if it was even be brought up...and it wouldnt pass in a thousand years....so why would you fear that happening..something like that has no chance of being passed..

Just like Obama's National Health Care bull^^^^. It has to be pass by congress which i hope it doesnt. Because one the only way to do something like that would be to raise taxes (even though in claims he wont) And i for one dont want to pay for it..second the people who are already paying for it wont be able to see a doctor because they would be open to the masses and its hard enough to see a doctor as it is. Third it would cause doctors to be paid less sooo you would see a large decline in doctors.