Obama's speech....

[Darklord Dave]

That would be something that would have to be passed by congress..if it was even be brought up...and it wouldnt pass in a thousand years....so why would you fear that happening..something like that has no chance of being passed...

It just shows a lack of intellectual rigeur on her part - I'm not worried about it becoming a law.

Just like Obama's National Health Care bull^^^^. It has to be pass by congress which i hope it doesnt. Because one the only way to do something like that would be to raise taxes (even though in claims he wont) And i for one dont want to pay for it..second the people who are already paying for it wont be able to see a doctor because they would be open to the masses and its hard enough to see a doctor as it is. Third it would cause doctors to be paid less sooo you would see a large decline in doctors.

With a democratic majority in congress it's likely that he could get some sort of national health plan passed. All these arguments against it have been raised before in other countries, like Canada, and the benefits have far outweighed the drawbacks in the opinions of the majority of citizens.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

I don't think he really fears it happening.. I just think he doesn't want 2nd in command to have such extreme views..

I agree w/ that.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

It just shows a lack of intellectual rigeur on her part - I'm not worried about it becoming a law.

Are people not aloud to be religious and have viewpoints about it? So if she was atheist would that make it better? Thats just as bad as racism

 

[LOTRFan]

Are people not aloud to be religious and have viewpoints about it? So if she was atheist would that make it better? Thats just as bad as

I don't think I would go quite that far, but I do think that both sides (Intelligent Design, not necessarily any one religious system) should be presented as viable theories and then of course let the students decide.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Are people not aloud to be religious and have viewpoints about it? So if she was atheist would that make it better? Thats just as bad as racism

Thats exactly it, people are allowed to have religeous view points and not have another's forced on them in the public educational system.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

Thats exactly it, people are allowed to have religeous view points and not have another's forced on them in the public educational system.

I totally agree but it would never pass...and im sure she knows that

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

It just shows a lack of intellectual rigeur on her part - I'm not worried about it becoming a law.



With a democratic majority in congress it's likely that he could get some sort of national health plan passed. All these arguments against it have been raised before in other countries, like Canada, and the benefits have far outweighed the drawbacks in the opinions of the majority of citizens.

What the democrats dont show you about national health plans in places like Canada is the people that are dying with cancer because they are waiting for an MRI to get a scan of their cancer. After they finally get the MRI, they then have to get a referral to an oncologist, pushing them back another 6months to a year. They are lucky if they live to see treatment. The doctor's offices are extremely overcrowded, and there is a doctor/nurse shortage because of the cut in pay, like I said before. Someone from Canada could attest to that, im sure.

 

[RJMacReady16]

Personally I know enough about her - she wants Creationism taught in schools - to me that makes her far too dangerous to hold high office in this country.

holy crap Dave. I've read some dumb crap on these boards (a lot of it coming from me) but that tops it. I mean, you don't believe it---fine. But dangerous?

The theory of Creationism is no more dangerous than the theory of evolution. They're both unproven theories that should by all rights be explored equally. The only difference is---one is taught to our children as "fact".









don't ban me!

 

[woodsy]

I don't think I would go quite that far, but I do think that both sides (Intelligent Design, not necessarily any one religious system) should be presented as viable theories and then of course let the students decide.

What these "intellectuals" seem to forget is evolution is no different , it's a theory, nothing more nothing less. Darwin himself said the fossil record would prove him right. Not only hasn't it, it's done the exact opposite.

 

[woodsy]

Personally I know enough about her - she wants Creationism taught in schools - to me that makes her far too dangerous to hold high office in this country.

That's a good one! It's right up there with the comment you once made stating people shouldn't be able to criticize SS's QC unless you owned a couple hundred of their pieces.

Yeah, she's far more dangerous than a potential President who see's nothing wrong with smashing in the heads of babies days or weeks before they're born.

.....and she's the one showing a lack of intellectual rigeur?

 

[barbelith]

Of course you know the socialists out there will justify crushing the skulls of innocent babies...

What does abortion have to do with socialism? Jesus.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Let's keep this civil. This thread isn't about debating theology.

Whatever someone chooses to believe in their own home is fine. I just think that a politician that wants to force their own religion on children at the expense of real education is someone who shouldn't be in public office.

 

[ENDO-HUNTER]

And what the Democrats have forgotten (like it or not) is this country was formed "One Nation Under God" Not one nation under DARWIN




Sorry Dave , please don't ban me either

 

[barbelith]

Are people not aloud to be religious and have viewpoints about it?

Not when their myths are blatantly contradicted by fact, no.

 

[barbelith]

I don't think I would go quite that far, but I do think that both sides (Intelligent Design, not necessarily any one religious system) should be presented as viable theories and then of course let the students decide.

But that's just it - they're not viable theories. "Theory" has a specific meaning in science and ID simply doesn't apply by any stretch of the imagination.

https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e77/beepbeepitsme/858S.jpg

 

[barbelith]

What the democrats dont show you about national health plans in places like Canada is the people that are dying with cancer because they are waiting for an MRI to get a scan of their cancer. After they finally get the MRI, they then have to get a referral to an oncologist, pushing them back another 6months to a year. They are lucky if they live to see treatment.

Same thing under our system - especially when insurers refuse to pay. If you're lucky enough to have insurance in the first place. It's interesting that none of the nations with national health care wants to trash the system for a private solution.

 

[barbelith]

And what the Democrats have forgotten (like it or not) is this country was formed "One Nation Under God"

It wasn't, actually. Crack open a history book.

 

[LOTRFan]

Let's keep this civil. This thread isn't about debating theology.

Whatever someone chooses to believe in their own home is fine. I just think that a politician that wants to force their own religion on children at the expense of real education is someone who shouldn't be in public office.

I agree Dave, but we aren't necessarily talking about one's own religion; just presenting a fair and balanced approach to a very speculative field of science.

Fact - the universe had a beginning, therefore there must have been a cause/Cause

Theory - what that original causation was, or what is more likely

I don't see any harm in presenting this and letting the chips falls as they may; actually to not give both sides is less than genuine.

 

[ENDO-HUNTER]

It wasn't, actually. Crack open a history book.

You believe school history books? I suppose everything printed about Christopher Columbus was true too

 

[Darklord Dave]

I agree Dave, but we aren't necessarily talking about one's own religion; just presenting a fair and balanced approach to a very speculative field of science.

Fact - the universe had a beginning, therefore there must have been a cause/Cause

Theory - what that original causation was, or what is more likely

I don't see any harm in presenting this and letting the chips falls as they may; actually to not give both sides is less than genuine.

Anyhoo - there's a very good (AND CIVIL) discussion on this in the "do you believe in God" thread in the sandbox. I'm sorry I isolated this as the reason that Palin scares me. I'm sure there are hundreds of other reasons.