Look at his face look at the face. HT take some notes. Very nice pic.
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Look at his face look at the face. HT take some notes. Very nice pic.
I thought I'd follow up with the different T-1000 variations that I've acquired since this post. I'm pretty much finished other than a regular Galleria with hook arms and of course the liquid metal cop.
Here are some pics. I just shot them really quick. I'll take better pics when I have time this week. I'm really going to have fun with all these T-800 vs T-1000 scenes/moments.
And so far I've only had two quality control duds, here they are. Be careful, I didn't even break these they were in the package like this.
Not even glued.
Oh man I hate seeing these things.
Monday when I go to work I hopefully should find my first Neca T-1000s. I think I'll bring one or two of my T-800s to work that day.
Well, while HT's isn't perfect, I wouldn't look to the NECA for notes, it's pretty good but I think there's room for improvement here too.
Yes I do continue to feel that the Neca T-1000 is a bit long in the middle of the face.
Its a reversal of the Neca T-800/ HT T-800 scenario. Neca have the dimensions of Arnies face right while HT went a bit short in the middle of the face, leaving things a smidge scrunched.
But for the T-1000 I think HT have the dimensions down better in my unprofessional opinion. He's still a bit off despite this but we may be seeing that fixed. HT fixes are usually good fixes.
Dimensional flaws aside I think both HT on their T-800 and Neca on their T-1000 have done a pretty good job where the pros outweigh the cons.
Its a reversal of the Neca T-800/ HT T-800 scenario. Neca have the dimensions of Arnies face right while HT went a bit short in the middle of the face, leaving things a smidge scrunched.
But for the T-1000 I think HT have the dimensions down better in my unprofessional opinion. He's still a bit off despite this but we may be seeing that fixed. HT fixes are usually good fixes.
Dimensional flaws aside I think both HT on their T-800 and Neca on their T-1000 have done a pretty good job where the pros outweigh the cons.
NECA's sculpt isn't terrible, I just wouldn't use a flawed sculpt as example to improve another flawed sculpt, you'd just trade one set of issues for another. The NECA sculpt resembles Patrick, it's not as good a likeness as the T-800, but it's close enough you don't feel like they didn't have rights to do his likeness. I think what bothers me with the NECA head is the squint of his eys and his lip area sort of makes it look like he at something sour and he's regretting it.
HottoyzJoker
Super Freak
HT dont take notes... Yours already so much better... Really now where putting NECA up aganist HT??? I thought those folks where crazy that thought Toybiz did a better Blade then HT...
Too each his own I guess...
Voorhees27
Super Freak
NECA put out a very nice T-1000 but HT's will deliver the masterpiece. What HT's prototype isn't tweaked when needed? Its the main reason they post prototypes here ................. Sarah Connor? Marcus? Vito? Etc.
HT dont take notes... Yours already so much better... Really now where putting NECA up aganist HT??? I thought those folks where crazy that thought Toybiz did a better Blade then HT...
Too each his own I guess...
A sculpt's a sculpt, manufacturer and price range of the product doesn't nevessarily mean that a "lower end" piece couldn't do a better job of achieving a likeness than a "higher end".
While Hot Toys' paint apps and refinements to their sculpts make them overall look nicer than anything NECA turns out, the underlying forms are crucial and I don't think there's anyything wrong with comparing the two as far as who got those base features more accurrate.
However, in the case of T-1000, neither got them dead on right, though I would give the upper hand to Hot Toys in this instance, the overall portrait looks closer to the mark than NECA's, but like I've said, they're both off.
This is a point that is generally lost on people on this forum, perhaps understandably, it is afterall primarily a forum for discussing high end stuff and the Neca threads are just permitted to be here. However I think the point is objectively valid.
You've put that beautifully. The majority of the discussion between the Neca T-800 and the Hot Toys version went like that i'd like to think. Just ruined by the trolling and know-it-alls who couldn't be budged on their opinion.
Slightly. I'd say the Hot Toys is more off than the Neca. However the overall quality of the sculpt with the texture and paint etc compensates for this, which is usually the case with Hot Toys. It's not like I don't like the sculpt or anything, I think it's brilliant but comparing it to the Neca version in a rational manner, which should be fine to do, i'd say it's the more off of the two.
Well, the thing I see continually happen in these discussions is the people that are comparing NECA to say Hot Toys, are looking at it from a very basic, features level. The people bothered by such a comparison are comparing the overall, to which I'd agree, there is no comparison, the paint apps are infinitely better and the sculpts are polished and cleaned up to a more presentable level. The trouble is, the people looking at it that way don't understand the ones making the comparisons see that and wouldn't argue that, they perceive that the pro NECA comments are saying the finished product looks better, and I don't think anyone making pro NECA headsculpt comments has felt that way, just that the basic shapes of the face were better, and there is legitimately room for that comparison.
NECA sculpts are essentially like a Hot Toys sculpt would be before it gets all the rought textures smoothed out and the skin texture added, at some point, to get the final product, a Hot Toys sculpt has to look roughly like a NECA one, you can't get to the end result without reaching that point along the way.
NECA sculpts are essentially like a Hot Toys sculpt would be before it gets all the rought textures smoothed out and the skin texture added, at some point, to get the final product, a Hot Toys sculpt has to look roughly like a NECA one, you can't get to the end result without reaching that point along the way.
The way I see it, the Patrick resemblance on the HT head is a bit off, but the proportions look great and the overall shapes look about right. With the NECA sculpt, the Patrick resemblance looks more there, but it's like all the features are misproportioned with each other and streched out and things and it looks a little silly. My main thought on this though, the NECA sculpt is not a reference point that Hot Toys should tweak their sculpt from, I'd actually have them take notes from the two Sideshow 1/6 portraits before the NECA one.
One interesting thing, watching T2 last night, Hot Toys, though maybe a bit too dark, is the only company to paint his hair a dark brown or black shade, Sideshow, NECA, they all go lighter. I'm going to repaint my NECA figures, I already have once because my clean head wasn't fully painted.
Voorhees27
Super Freak
What you see is what you get and the NECA sculpt is not better. Its rough, the paint apps look similar to "Toys R Us" quality. It is what it is. It doesn't mean that NECA's attempt is lowsy .......... some of you see something I don't. I don't see great likeness because of these faults. Sorry. Comparing apples to oranges again.
You're comparing end results though. In hand, after everything is said and done, HT beat Neca probabaly every time. So you're right in saying the HT is better taking everything into account. But try to look past the paint and texturing and overall finish of the sculpt. Look for the pure likeness without all that added to the mix.
What we are getting at is, getting rid of paint, texture and all the little refinements, which one captures the likeness better? We're not saying what's better overall, we're saying, as an initial sculpt, which has the character down more.
Well I am anyways
And in this case, so far, I think it's neca. I'm only bothering to say that as we all know HT is going to change their sculpt. Otherwise i'd remain zipped!
Here's a good way to sum up what the people who argue NECA getting headsculpts better are driving at.
Here's a Hot Toys head and Medicom repaint, works good because it makes both heads nice paint jobs, now, both heads are meant to represent Christian Bale, but one does that better than the other. Paint apps and polishing aside, the basic features, nose, shape of eyes, cheek bones, etc. must be sculpted correctly in order for the likeness to be there. Using T-800 for example, suppose the Hot Toys head was devoid of Arnie's signature cheek bones, but NECA had them, no matter how polished and nice the HT head came out, it'd still look less like Arnold. That's what people are getting at, some people feel that NECA has gotten some of those base details more correct than Hot Toys.
While some people care more about the overall finished, refined product that ships in the box, and I get why they'd think a NECA-HT comparison would be silly from that point of view, those people should understand the perspective the comparing people are looking at things from and not dismiss them as making silly, rediculous comments.
If the end goal is a portrait capturing the actor's likeness as best as possible, then a person will look for those basic details to be correct and not care how polished and refined the final head is, if it's off, it's off.
Here's a Hot Toys head and Medicom repaint, works good because it makes both heads nice paint jobs, now, both heads are meant to represent Christian Bale, but one does that better than the other. Paint apps and polishing aside, the basic features, nose, shape of eyes, cheek bones, etc. must be sculpted correctly in order for the likeness to be there. Using T-800 for example, suppose the Hot Toys head was devoid of Arnie's signature cheek bones, but NECA had them, no matter how polished and nice the HT head came out, it'd still look less like Arnold. That's what people are getting at, some people feel that NECA has gotten some of those base details more correct than Hot Toys.
While some people care more about the overall finished, refined product that ships in the box, and I get why they'd think a NECA-HT comparison would be silly from that point of view, those people should understand the perspective the comparing people are looking at things from and not dismiss them as making silly, rediculous comments.
If the end goal is a portrait capturing the actor's likeness as best as possible, then a person will look for those basic details to be correct and not care how polished and refined the final head is, if it's off, it's off.
Its a sound argument. And then you have a certain banned person coming in and ruining it with trolling posts so that in the end ALL neca fans get tarred by the same brush regardless of what good arguments have been made.
Voorhees27
Super Freak
I'm a consumer and I will be buying the final product in packaging. I will not seek a custom artist to repaint my items for better likeness. Having said that I base all of my comments towards the final product, in hand.
The NECA T-1000 is final, HT's is not. Thats what I find argumental and labelling it apples to oranges. I like the NECA T-1000's for what they are. I will also get both of them because they look good enough, i'm a big fan of the T-1000 and for the price, why not?
I'm not even comparing the two because I still believe there is no comparison. Everything comes down to first glance, kinda like a first impression. I guess if we were comparing say a 12" T-1000 it'd make more sense. Even if NECA has scored in some parts of his likeness they still lose the overall likeness with their overall lowend quality.
Its a fair/good likeness and again nice enough for me to buy but i'm not gonna bother comparing likenesses when HT's isn't even final. Maybe it'd be more appropriate comparing when HT's version releases?
Btw that Medi Bale/Wayne repaint looks amazing! In the case of the NECA T-1000 it would require alot more than just a repaint. Their sculpts almost look like "Hero Heads" sculpts where they usually require sanding before painting.
Again for 7" figures they're very fun and decent for the price.
The NECA T-1000 is final, HT's is not. Thats what I find argumental and labelling it apples to oranges. I like the NECA T-1000's for what they are. I will also get both of them because they look good enough, i'm a big fan of the T-1000 and for the price, why not?
I'm not even comparing the two because I still believe there is no comparison. Everything comes down to first glance, kinda like a first impression. I guess if we were comparing say a 12" T-1000 it'd make more sense. Even if NECA has scored in some parts of his likeness they still lose the overall likeness with their overall lowend quality.
Its a fair/good likeness and again nice enough for me to buy but i'm not gonna bother comparing likenesses when HT's isn't even final. Maybe it'd be more appropriate comparing when HT's version releases?
Btw that Medi Bale/Wayne repaint looks amazing! In the case of the NECA T-1000 it would require alot more than just a repaint. Their sculpts almost look like "Hero Heads" sculpts where they usually require sanding before painting.
Again for 7" figures they're very fun and decent for the price.
I don't know what's worse, it being too damn expensive or if and when you get it back. Too many scary stories on this board for my liking when it comes to customs. I'm not tarring the good painters that have a perfect good business out there and the some thats on this board but there's far too many bad that outweigh the good.
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