Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Lejuan]

Really, it was much more interesting to leave it unknown.

..and in some ways, what he said was irrelevant. Pretty obvious the pasty dude was going to go apesh* t whatever it was David had to say.

 

[IrishJedi]

Honestly...what the hell did we all think he would say?

He's got very little time to try to convince a superior alien species of his intentions...why would he NOT get straight to the point?

Why didn't they subtitle it, then? Was an oversight? Or we're they just trying to manufacture mystery that wasn't really there?

I would like to see the full conversation, though. Perhaps that will shed more light on why the Engineer went all Hulk smash.

 

[a-dev]

I remember feeling that the Space Jockey was probably a member of a benign race that 'came to grief' (as they might put it in Alien3) - the warning that was being sent out by the ship seemed like a pretty considerate thing to do. Now its probably to be assumed that the warning was intended specifically for other Space Jockeys.

 

[Lejuan]

If I were David I would've asked him who put the bop in the bop shoo bop shoo bop.

 

[a-dev]

I had thought David said something like this to the Engineer

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68BrauMLt_0&feature=related[/ame]

The Engineer was a bit less neutral in his response than Luke.

 

[Sabres21768]

Here's something I just thought about...

Alot of us have said that the Deacon is, essentially, a chestburster...and will continue to develop into something bigger and badder.

But, if we look at the "mural" from the head room, might this be a mistaken assumption?

Why would the Engineers put up a mural of, what is essentially, a baby creature?

Would they not have sculpted the mural to represent the bigger, more dangerous creature?

So, maybe the Deacon will NOT develop much beyond what we've already seen.

Discuss...

 

[Devil_666]

It's hard to say because the out-of-context/behind-the-scenes answer has already been revealed: That entire wall and everything depicted on it was simply a nod/tribute to Giger and his work.

So if there's also supposed to be an in-context/in-movie idea behind it as well.. it's still secondary to the original intent.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

I highly doubt they just threw that in there as a tribute to Giger. That seems incredibly silly.

And I'm guessing that the alien in the wall mural is supposed to be the original...unless it's already been said that it's the Deacon.

 

[Devil_666]

I highly doubt they just threw that in there as a tribute to Giger. That seems incredibly silly.

Then it's silly, because the people behind the movie already revealed that information about the mural wall. It's even in that behind-the-scenes book.

 

[Sabres21768]

It's hard to say because the out-of-context/behind-the-scenes answer has already been revealed: That entire wall and everything depicted on it was simply a nod/tribute to Giger and his work.

So if there's also supposed to be an in-context/in-movie idea behind it as well.. it's still secondary to the original intent.

I reject your swift behind-the-scenes answer and substitue my own behind-the-scenes-in-my-head-to-help-explain-shat-from-a-movie-I-just-saw-today answer.

HAVE AT YOU!

 

[Moonloop]

I highly doubt they just threw that in there as a tribute to Giger. That seems incredibly silly.

And I'm guessing that the alien in the wall mural is supposed to be the original...unless it's already been said that it's the Deacon.

My view on the mural:

Assuming it was not just a mural to Giger; I would guess that the writers were trying to show us that even before human involvement with the Goo, the Xenomorph existed in one form or another.

The mural was in the room with the Black Goo, so maybe when the Black Goo is used as a bio-weapon it ultimately ends up creating a Xenomorph type creature (no matter where or what species it may have been used on).

I think the Engineers simply decorated the Black Goo bio-weapon room with a reminder of what it creates. If I recall correctly the mural also had an alter in front of it.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Then it's silly, because the people behind the movie already revealed that information about the mural wall. It's even in that behind-the-scenes book.

They actually said that the only reason the mural was in there is because it's a tribute to Giger?

If so, then we finally have a rational complaint against the movie.

 

[abake]

Going back to the Engineer's sudden rage and ensuing killing spree, I think it had nothing to do with what David said, but all to do with the fact that David was an android. See, I think the Engineers believe in creating life, not mimicking it, and he thought what the human race had done was an abomination, hence he set out to destroy said abomination and its creators.

 

[greygoose]

It looks like a fully grown Deacon on the mural. It may have been a nod to Giger but I'm sure it was to suggest that Xenos had been around before the events of the film.

 

[Viking Spawn]

Here's something I just thought about...

Alot of us have said that the Deacon is, essentially, a chestburster...and will continue to develop into something bigger and badder.

But, if we look at the "mural" from the head room, might this be a mistaken assumption?

Why would the Engineers put up a mural of, what is essentially, a baby creature?

Would they not have sculpted the mural to represent the bigger, more dangerous creature?

So, maybe the Deacon will NOT develop much beyond what we've already seen.

Discuss...

I think the Deacon is like a chestbuster and is an infant form of something else. Look at the size of the Bodyhugger that impregnated the Engineer with the D?! I'm sure it will develop into something MUCH larger. Too bad the movie ended on this cliff hanger and it may be years before we find out what or anything at all?!

 

[Niltusk]

Going back to the Engineer's sudden rage and ensuing killing spree, I think it had nothing to do with what David said, but all to do with the fact that David was an android. See, I think the Engineers believe in creating life, not mimicking it, and he thought what the human race had done was an abomination, hence he set out to destroy said abomination and its creators.

I think the same thing would have happened if David had not been there. The engineer exits the stasis pod and stumbles a bit, it appears they suffer from stass sleep just like humans. I think he just realized as his head cleared, that if humans had space travel he had been asleep for a long time and was way overdue on his mission.

 

[Reinhardt]

I found this on the prometheus-movie message boards, and found it fascinating. The idea of the engineers being one of two races, and that they were forced to create humans by a higher race is a very interesting concept (and provides a possible explanation for why the ship at the beginning is different from the Engineers' ship and why the Engineers want to destroy us). I had to read this 3-4 times to get all the names in order.

______

To give some historical/mythological background that may shed some light, Ridley stated the SJ culture was based on Persian Myths. This would be Sumerian/Akkadian/Hindu. This is all taken from the Atra Hasis.

Creators - "G"ods- Annunaki - Dragon Humanoids (Naga, Dragon Kings,)

Helpers - "g"ods - Igigi - Engineers. (Android like living beings....BIOmechanical humanoid. Key features- Pale skin and large black eyes. Also known as watchers, Grigori, and Archons) (in many summerian texts they are actually referred to as "Pilots". Pretty much the Annunaki Air Force.)

When the Annunaki began terraforming the earth, they had the Igigi do the work for them. After a few thousand years the Igigi revolted and went on strike. The Annunaki then decided to create humans to do the work for them.

They sacrificed one of the rebel Igigi named Ge___u to use his blood and dna to make human beings, by mixing it with elements native to the earth.

(In the movie, this can be explained by the the different oval spaceship at the beginning representing the spaceship of the Annunaki)

(It can also be explained by the concept art that leaked from the official book this week)

(According to wikipedia it also says this about the Igigi: "Though sometimes synonymous with the term "Annunaki," in one myth the Igigi were the younger gods who were servants of the Annunaki, until they rebelled and were replaced by the creation of humans." This is reflected in the concept art below.

Even though the humans were created and did the work, 1/3 of the Igigi still werent satisfied and sought revenge for Ge___u, so they rebelled again against the Annunaki Lords and began breeding/mixing with the human females creating Nephelim. This is what sparked the Prime Lord Enlil to flood the earth. Some humans were saved by Enki, the Lord responsible for the sacrifice of Ge___u and the creation of humans. Enlil and the rest of the annunaki decide to return home and let the humans develop on their own. Enki and his family stay behind. The Igigi are forced to leave earth as well. The remaining rebel Igigi are imprisoned on a planet on the way back to the homeworld and it is said as punishment and as a mark they are altered into a demonic appearance, no longer retaining the Angelic appearance.

Enki and his crew are probably the ones leaving the maps for humans to find, along with the ones helping humans advance throughout time.

The sacrfice engineer is Ge___u

The lone engineer is most likely Marduk or a servant/worshipper of Marduk.

The xeno is Mushussu, a creature Marduk fashioned and used as his pet.

The "Engineers" we see are trying to destroy Earth are of the Igigi rebels who view earth as their own. They have always despised humans because the Annunaki saw us as more in their likeness than them. IT's possible that the Igigi have long since destroyed or taken over the annunaki and the homeworld, and Earth was like going to claim the prize or spoils.

They mustve used to the Xeno's to win this war and through its perfection it has began to destroy and infect the Igigi who manufacture and transport it, creating more Mushussu.

the xeno in Alien is most likely an older pilot igigi birthed Mushussu egg crossed with human or a future Annunaki birthed one which would explain the size difference in hosts.

It is mentioned in several lesser stories that Marduk created the Mushussu out of using the essence of the Gods' (Annunaki) he killed as a symbol of his conquering and being able to control them... ie the mural.

 

[abake]

Wow, that is quite interesting!
Nice idea, hopefully we'll get a sequel to find some more answers.

 

[fosing]

I found this on the prometheus-movie message boards, and found it fascinating. The idea of the engineers being one of two races, and that they were forced to create humans by a higher race is a very interesting concept (and provides a possible explanation for why the ship at the beginning is different from the Engineers' ship and why the Engineers want to destroy us). I had to read this 3-4 times to get all the names in order.

______

To give some historical/mythological background that may shed some light, Ridley stated the SJ culture was based on Persian Myths. This would be Sumerian/Akkadian/Hindu. This is all taken from the Atra Hasis.

Creators - "G"ods- Annunaki - Dragon Humanoids (Naga, Dragon Kings,)

Helpers - "g"ods - Igigi - Engineers. (Android like living beings....BIOmechanical humanoid. Key features- Pale skin and large black eyes. Also known as watchers, Grigori, and Archons) (in many summerian texts they are actually referred to as "Pilots". Pretty much the Annunaki Air Force.)

When the Annunaki began terraforming the earth, they had the Igigi do the work for them. After a few thousand years the Igigi revolted and went on strike. The Annunaki then decided to create humans to do the work for them.

They sacrificed one of the rebel Igigi named Ge___u to use his blood and dna to make human beings, by mixing it with elements native to the earth.

(In the movie, this can be explained by the the different oval spaceship at the beginning representing the spaceship of the Annunaki)

(It can also be explained by the concept art that leaked from the official book this week)

(According to wikipedia it also says this about the Igigi: "Though sometimes synonymous with the term "Annunaki," in one myth the Igigi were the younger gods who were servants of the Annunaki, until they rebelled and were replaced by the creation of humans." This is reflected in the concept art below.

Even though the humans were created and did the work, 1/3 of the Igigi still werent satisfied and sought revenge for Ge___u, so they rebelled again against the Annunaki Lords and began breeding/mixing with the human females creating Nephelim. This is what sparked the Prime Lord Enlil to flood the earth. Some humans were saved by Enki, the Lord responsible for the sacrifice of Ge___u and the creation of humans. Enlil and the rest of the annunaki decide to return home and let the humans develop on their own. Enki and his family stay behind. The Igigi are forced to leave earth as well. The remaining rebel Igigi are imprisoned on a planet on the way back to the homeworld and it is said as punishment and as a mark they are altered into a demonic appearance, no longer retaining the Angelic appearance.

Enki and his crew are probably the ones leaving the maps for humans to find, along with the ones helping humans advance throughout time.

The sacrfice engineer is Ge___u

The lone engineer is most likely Marduk or a servant/worshipper of Marduk.

The xeno is Mushussu, a creature Marduk fashioned and used as his pet.

The "Engineers" we see are trying to destroy Earth are of the Igigi rebels who view earth as their own. They have always despised humans because the Annunaki saw us as more in their likeness than them. IT's possible that the Igigi have long since destroyed or taken over the annunaki and the homeworld, and Earth was like going to claim the prize or spoils.

They mustve used to the Xeno's to win this war and through its perfection it has began to destroy and infect the Igigi who manufacture and transport it, creating more Mushussu.

the xeno in Alien is most likely an older pilot igigi birthed Mushussu egg crossed with human or a future Annunaki birthed one which would explain the size difference in hosts.

It is mentioned in several lesser stories that Marduk created the Mushussu out of using the essence of the Gods' (Annunaki) he killed as a symbol of his conquering and being able to control them... ie the mural.

this is sounding more of a prequel to gilgamesh. but i like it none the less...

i bet the annunaki has facial hair unlike the pale and bald "engineers".

 

[Khev]

I really like that this movie didn't just introduce an alien monster in the first half hour that started systematically exterminating crew members one by one as we've seen in every movie in the series save Aliens. I realize that by not having a more distinct threat until later in the film that many viewers might have felt put off but to me it makes Prometheus feel more like classic sci-fi (in the tradition of Forbidden Planet or Carpenter's The Thing remake) than a by-the-numbers slasher/monster movie set in space.

I also liked that there were three deliberate trips from the crew into the "mouth of madness." Once to explore, the second to retrieve their lost crew members, and the third to initiate contact at the behest of Weylan. Each time they went back it was more ominous than the previous visit and was reminiscent of each time the priests approached Reagan's bedroom door in The Exorcist, IMO.