Official "The Dark Knight" SPOILER Thread

[scubasteve]

Awesome. Found an exact replica of the knife from the film. I even bought four to sell 3 on ebay.

"WanT to KNow hOw I gOT thESE sCars?!?!"

Can you sell knives on ebay?

 

[Starkiller]

I keep thinking about the movie...

I really thought overall it was well done. Heath of course did a great job, but wasn't as crazy and dark as I thought it would be...maybe I'm just a dark person? And I'm in the "No he didn't go crazy because of the character" stand. I heard a bunch of people saying this which is ridiculous. Heath is the Joker, hands down, better performance than Nicholson.

Bale did another great job as Bruce and Batman. Not much can be said, it seemed the film was with his struggle with the symbol and man he created. Harvey Dent/Two-Face was very well done. I loved him, very interesting character..I wonder if he officially died or what?

I was kinda sad that Racheal died. But really she had no more place in the plot as far as I was concerned she was just in there to be the love interest...I felt Maggie did a better job than Katie (who was annoying), but Kate is better to look at. I though would have preferred she reprised the role.

I don't know how they will continue the next one? Where will they go from here? Racheal is dead. Lucious Fox quit. Batman is now public enemy number 1. Harvey is dead. Joker is captured, and obviously can't return. And Wayne Manor is still being rebuilt...I have no idea where they will go next, what will the plot be, who will be back, who will be the villains?

And how will they top TDK?

 

[JGouse0498]

I keep thinking about the movie...

Spoiler

I really thought overall it was well done. Heath of course did a great job, but wasn't as crazy and dark as I thought it would be...maybe I'm just a dark person? And I'm in the "No he didn't go crazy because of the character" stand. I heard a bunch of people saying this which is ridiculous. Heath is the Joker, hands down, better performance than Nicholson.

Bale did another great job as Bruce and Batman. Not much can be said, it seemed the film was with his struggle with the symbol and man he created. Harvey Dent/Two-Face was very well done. I loved him, very interesting character..I wonder if he officially died or what?

I was kinda sad that Racheal died. But really she had no more place in the plot as far as I was concerned she was just in there to be the love interest...I felt Maggie did a better job than Katie (who was annoying), but Kate is better to look at. I though would have preferred she reprised the role.

I don't know how they will continue the next one? Where will they go from here? Racheal is dead. Lucious Fox quit. Batman is now public enemy number 1. Harvey is dead. Joker is captured, and obviously can't return. And Wayne Manor is still being rebuilt...I have no idea where they will go next, what will the plot be, who will be back, who will be the villains?

And how will they top TDK?

We're in the Spoiler thread. No need for the tag.

I don't think Lucius quit. He said "As long as this machine is at Wayne Enterprises, I won't be"

Batman gave him the code to destroy the machine, thus "having his faith rewarded"

But I'm not sure Lucius will ever be able to fully trust Bruce again. Their relationship has been irrevocably changed--if they stick to plausibility in the next film.

Although I think they need another several year break. This will be damn near impossible to top, so they need to really take their time.

 

[MaulFan]

Lucious Fox quit.

I don't think Lucious did quit. What he told Bruce was that as long as his device was at WE, he wouldn't be. Then he smirks as he sees his name entered into the system wiping it out. To me, that was to say ok, I misjudged Bruce, he made the right call in the end, I'm staying.

 

[Starkiller]

I don't think Lucious did quit. What he told Bruce was that as long as his device was at WE, he wouldn't be. Then he smirks as he sees his name entered into the system wiping it out. To me, that was to say ok, I misjudged Bruce, he made the right call in the end, I'm staying.

I thought Bruce said to him, type in your name when your done. "As in punching out"...I dunno, I'd have to see that scene again.

But it went down like, Batman said he have the code, and he said as long as this machine is here I won't be, then Bats said well, put your name in when your done.

I dunno...I just dunno....

I really want them to resurrect Two-Face someone, like he didn't really die or something...

 

[The Mike]

I've seen it twice. Lucius did not quit. He simply stated that if Bruce was going to use this machine to spy of Gotham he'd have no part in it. Lucius was told to put his name in and he thought it was his way of resigning. When he did and the machine destroyed itself he smiled because Bruce already knew how Lucius worked. Its a throwback to the Lau deal and how Bruce already knew what Lucius was thinking but allowed him to come to that conclusion on his own. Its continuance on their relationship

 

[MaulFan]

I've seen it twice. Lucius did not quit. He simply stated that if Bruce was going to use this machine to spy of Gotham he'd have no part in it. Lucius was told to put his name in and he thought it was his way of resigning. When he did and the machine destroyed itself he smiled because Bruce already knew how Lucius worked. Its a throwback to the Lau deal and how Bruce already knew what Lucius was thinking but allowed him to come to that conclusion on his own. Its continuance on their relationship

Exactly, and I love how their relationship is like that. Even with Fox knowing Bruce is Batman, they still play coy with each other about things.

 

[Starkiller]

Exactly, and I love how their relationship is like that. Even with Fox knowing Bruce is Batman, they still play coy with each other about things.

I suppose, it seemed to put a weird twist on their relationship tho...

 

[Ktjn]

I suppose, it seemed to put a weird twist on their relationship tho...

maybe he'll get killed in the 3rd film, then no one knows besides alfred. Thats what I disliked about the previous Batman films, too many people know who he is.

Back to the TF subject. Sucks he is dead, seen a pic of the text stating he broke his neck in the script. Now we'll have to settle with some sub-par bad guy.

 

[YoNoSe]

maybe he'll get killed in the 3rd film, then no one knows besides alfred. Thats what I disliked about the previous Batman films, too many people know who he is.

Back to the TF subject. Sucks he is dead, seen a pic of the text stating he broke his neck in the script. Now we'll have to settle with some sub-par bad guy.

I'm not the biggest fan of this film, but I'm not worried about who the next villain will be. Regardless of my own opinion, I know the Nolans (and I suppose Goyer) will have fully developed the villain to the point that it won't matter if it's the Mad Hatter (hey that rhymes) - whoever it is, it will make sense to the story and themes that they decide to explore.

...but yeah, if he is dead that sucks.

 

[The Mike]

The Mob has been such an important "villain" to this series with all characters having something to do with it that whomever the next villain is will have to be easily tied back to continue the stream.

 

[The Mike]

Some fun TDK Trivia:

* Matt Damon was Christopher Nolan's first choice for the role of Harvey Dent but turned it down. Before Aaron Eckhart was cast in the part, other actors considered included Hugh Jackman, Ryan Phillippe, Liev Schreiber and Josh Lucas.

* As a joke, one bat suit was made with nipples, as in Batman & Robin (1997). It was presented to Christian Bale as the real bat suit, but he knew instantly it was a joke, having seen a few design pictures during preproduction. He did pose for some publicity photos in the "nipple" suit.

* This is the first Batman film to not have "Batman" in the title.

* Christopher Nolan has a son named Rory, for whom the working title of the film ("Rory's First Kiss") was named.

* When asked, "Why Heath Ledger as the Joker?" Christopher Nolan said, "Because he's fearless."

* Dwight Yoakam turned down two roles in this movie. Originally he was offered the part of a cop; then he was offered to play a banker who had dealings with the Joker (Heath Ledger). Yoakam passed on both roles because he was working on a Buck Owens tribute album.

* Turning down a salary estimated at between $1 million and $2 million an increase over the roughly $1 million she was believed to have earned for Batman Begins (2005) - Katie Holmes chose not to reprise her role as Rachel Dawes. This was due to what was described as 'scheduling conflicts'.


* Before Maggie Gyllenhaal replaced Katie Holmes in the role of Rachel Dawes, both Rachel McAdams and Emily Blunt were rumored for the part.

* While filming on the streets of Chicago in April 2007, the filming was carried out under the fake movie title "Rory's First Kiss". Fliers regarding the filming carried this fake title, complete with a fake "RFK" logo for the movie and an address for the film's production offices.

* On Thanksgiving weekend, 2007, fake four page tabloid size "Gotham Times" newspapers were distributed at various public events. Headlined "City at War - Batman Saves Entire Family", every article teased events in the film, and everything in the handout was geared toward the film, including the weather ("Gloomy and overcast...”) and advertisements for Gotham National Bank, the Gotham Girl Guides and recruitment for the Gotham Police Department.


* Director Christopher Nolan and co-writers Jonathan Nolan and David S. Goyer decided not to explore the origins of the Joker in order to portray the character as "absolute."

* Christopher Nolan cites the film Heat (1995) as a major influence on this movie. 'William Fitchner' played in ‘Heat’ and in the scene in ‘The Dark Knight’ that was obviously inspired by Heat.

* It's Sir Michael Caine's opinion that Heath Ledger beat the odds and topped Jack Nicholson's Joker from Batman (1989): "Jack was like a clown figure, benign but wicked, maybe a killer old uncle. He could be funny and make you laugh. Heath's gone in a completely different direction to Jack, he's like a really scary psychopath. He's a lovely guy and his Joker is going to be a hell of a revelation in this picture." Caine bases this belief on a scene where the Joker pays a visit to Bruce Wayne's penthouse. He'd never met Ledger before, so when Ledger arrived and performed he gave Caine such a fright he forgot his lines.

* Aaron Eckhart described his portrayal of Harvey Dent as simultaneously coming from and being apart from the same world as Batman (Dent is the white knight of Gotham, as opposed to the Dark Knight). His challenge was "looking for the similarities and the tension between the two; to find what's similar to Batman and then what's opposite to him." Eckhart prepared for his role by studying split personalities.

* Bruce Wayne develops and wears a new Batsuit in the film. This Batsuit was an improvement on the outfit from Batman Begins (2005), and made Christian Bale more comfortable and agile in his performance. It was constructed from 200 unique pieces of rubber, fibreglass, metallic mesh, and nylon (producing an impression of sophisticated technology), with elastic banding added for tightening the costume to fit Bale. The gauntlets had their razors made retractable and able to be fired. The suit's cowl was based on a motorcycle helmet and separated from the neck piece, allowing Bale to move his head left/right/up/down, and comes equipped with white eye lenses for when Batman turns on Bat-sonar.

* The Joker make-up was composed of three pieces of stamped silicone, which took less than an hour to apply to Heath Ledger on each day of shooting. Ledger described it as "new technology which is much quicker to apply than regular prosthetics;" he felt he was not wearing any make-up at all.

* Costume designer Lindy Hemming based the Joker's look around his personality, in which "he doesn't care about himself at all." Hemming was inspired by countercultural pop culture artists like Pete Doherty, Iggy Pop, and Sid Vicious. She avoided his design being vagrant, but made it scruffier and grungier, therefore making his movements slightly twitchier and edgier.

* An explosion was filmed at the Battersea Power Station in London. The fireball created calls from panic-stricken local residents, who assumed a terrorist attack was on the out-of-use Station.

* Nestor Carbonell who plays the Mayor in "The Dark Knight" coincidentally also played "Bat Manuel", a parody of Batman in the comic-based live action "The Tick" (2001) TV series.

* The Batman Comic Books "The Long Halloween", "The Killing Joke", "The Man Who Laughs" and the first two comics to feature the Joker character served as an influence on the film’s storyline.

* Jerry Robinson, one of the original creators of the Joker back in 1940, was hired as a consultant on the film (the Joker is to be portrayed according to his first two appearances in the comics, which Robinson was involved in). His "Batman" co-creator Bob Kane had earlier been hired as a consultant for Batman (1989).

* David S. Goyer and Christopher Nolan collaborated on the story of the film. The script itself was written by Nolan and his brother Jonathon. After watching The Dark Knight, Goyer stated "I can't believe my name is on a movie this good".

* In the movie, Bruce Wayne drives a Lamborghini Murciélago. Murciélago is Spanish for "bat."

* Aaron Eckhart enjoyed wearing the Two-Face makeup and warned: "When you look at him, you should get sick to your stomach. It's like you would feel if you met someone whose face had pretty much been ripped off or burned off with acid. There are fans on the Internet who have drawn versions of what they think it looks like, and I can tell you this: They're thinking small. Chris has gone way farther than people think."

* The "Batman" theme is heard only twice in the film, as Composers Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard decided that a heroic theme that a viewer could hum would ignore the complexity and darkness of the character. Hearing the tune only twice would create what Zimmer calls "a musical foreshadowing."

* Composer James Newton Howard composed an elegant and beautiful score for Harvey Dent, which would serve as a jarring contrast to Two-Face's persona.

*Heath Ledger improvised when he started clapping inside his jail cell in a mocking and sardonic capacity as Gordon is promoted. The clapping was not scripted but Christopher Nolan immediately encouraged the crew to continue filming and the sequence was included in the film.

 

[CelticPredator]

NIIIIIPPPPPLE
NIIIIIIPPLE


Also, saw it again, even better this time around! Loved every second. Didnt feel at ONCE bored.



That ending gets to me though....it pulls the heart strings. Not enough to make me cry, but just enough to move me.

 

[plasmid303]

Ok, that's it. I've seen Dark Knight 4 times over the course of the weekend and monday and no more. NO MORE.

I still get a swelling of emotion every time I see the last few minutes of the film.

"He is our silent guardian, a watchful protector - A Dark Knight."

There is NO better way to end a superhero film. NONE.

Thanks for the TDK factoids and tidbits, Mike! I for one would have loved to see the be-nippled TDK batsuit.

 

[Bigfoot-X]

Just got back from watching TDK (for the 2nd time) and Hellboy II: The Golden Army.

When the gangsters are all together for the meeting near the beginning of the movie. A guy brings a TV and sets it in front of them. Look at the left side, the closest gangster to the TV. He is a fat white guy with his left hand very obviously sitting in front of him. His hand only has 3 very stubby fingers.

Note that we never see this guy again in the movie and that his hand is very obviously placed and never moves in the scene. I'd say it has to be a cameo of Penguin.

I don't know how you did it but you've got eyes of an eagle. I particularly looked out for this scene.

What I saw was a guy with white hair nearest to the TV. What happened was the guy actually had 4 fingers on the table (couldn't see a thumb, don't know if he has one) but after a while, he moved a finger away, leaving only 3 fingers visible on the table.

Exactly, and I love how their relationship is like that. Even with Fox knowing Bruce is Batman, they still play coy with each other about things.

Yeah, as I watched it again, there was another part after Fox's meeting with Lau in Hong Kong.

Fox gives the new gadget to Bruce and explains the function to him.

Bruce: Sonar, like a ...
Fox: A submarine! Mr. Wayne, a submarine.....

They were both thinking "LIKE A BAT!" for sure!

Love the movie!

 

[dunedain]

Can't wait to see this movie tomorrow night.

 

[UTtoyfan]

Just got back from watching TDK (for the 2nd time) and Hellboy II: The Golden Army.



I don't know how you did it but you've got eyes of an eagle. I particularly looked out for this scene.

What I saw was a guy with white hair nearest to the TV. What happened was the guy actually had 4 fingers on the table (couldn't see a thumb, don't know if he has one) but after a while, he moved a finger away, leaving only 3 fingers visible on the table.



Yeah, as I watched it again, there was another part after Fox's meeting with Lau in Hong Kong.

Fox gives the new gadget to Bruce and explains the function to him.

Bruce: Sonar, like a ...
Fox: A submarine! Mr. Wayne, a submarine.....

They were both thinking "LIKE A BAT!" for sure!

Love the movie!

That was a great part! I was thinking bat as well. Which was why I laughed when Fox said submarine. I was the only one chuckling though in the theater. I guess no one else found it funny in my theater.

 

[CelticPredator]

Ok, that's it. I've seen Dark Knight 4 times over the course of the weekend and monday and no more. NO MORE.

I still get a swelling of emotion every time I see the last few minutes of the film.

"He is our silent guardian, a watchful protector - A Dark Knight."

There is NO better way to end a superhero film. NONE.

Thanks for the TDK factoids and tidbits, Mike! I for one would have loved to see the be-nippled TDK batsuit.

I KNOW! God! I should leave when the last Joker scene ends....

 

[King Darkness]

Just got back. Loved it! Not much else to say. Cant wait to have it on BD

 

[UTtoyfan]

Just got back. Loved it! Not much else to say. Cant wait to have it on BD

Man this movie is doing serious business. It reached $200 million in 5 days, a record!!

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