Official "The Dark Knight" SPOILER Thread

[DarkArtist81]

Fair enough, but then I still think there should have been more remorse on Batman's part. He broke his one rule, but he did it to save someone. Is that fair? Is that justified? Had he not saved Dent from the Joker's bomb earlier, none of that would have happened. Should he have gone after Dent in the first place, and thus saving Rachel by mistake? There are a lot of things to consider that I just don't think were done justice by the ending Nolan gave us. For such an amazing film, it is all the more confusing why Nolan ended it the way he did.

I LOVE the ending, the way it ended was perfect to me... I just wish, like you, that he would have been a bit more eaten up for letting the situation get out of control like it did. But, no movie is perfect..

 

[Ven]

I don't know I also see it as a instinct act.. he had to do it.. his goal was to save the kid at all cost by tackling two face...



BTW have you guys paid attention to what Eckhart has been saying? has he ever mentioned that TWO-FACE is dead? or has he only been saying dent?

 

[Buttmunch]

I LOVE the ending, the way it ended was perfect to me... I just wish, like you, that he would have been a bit more eaten up for letting the situation get out of control like it did. But, no movie is perfect..

The VERY ending was great. Just this whole Two-face showdown played out wrong in my opinion. Heck, Two-face shooting himself might have been a better way to kill him off. He did flip for himself afterall!

But really, other than these few minutes, the film is perfect. Is is without a doubt a masterpiece regardless.

There is always hope for a special edition recut

 

[Buttmunch]

I don't know I also see it as a instinct act.. he had to do it.. his goal was to save the kid at all cost by tackling two face...



BTW have you guys paid attention to what Eckhart has been saying? has he ever mentioned that TWO-FACE is dead? or has he only been saying dent?

I don't know.

I am one of those that views them as two seperate people. What I saw, I saw Harvey Dent die, but not Two-Face. Harvey died with his reputation. But Two-face is still alive and kicking.

But he did say he isn't comming back... yet.

 

[dunedain]

An interview from a couple of days back.

Aaron Eckhart on Two-Face
Source: Heather Newgen

Spoiler

Yes, it's true. Aaron Eckhart says goodbye to Batman. At the press day for his upcoming indie film Towelhead, ComingSoon.net/Superhero Hype! talked to the actor who portrayed Harvey Dent/Two-Face in The Dark Knight. He told us he's definitely not signed on for another film and confirmed his character is dead.

Eckhart laughed about how he tried to ask if there was a chance he was coming back and was good-humored about the deadly fate of Dent.

CS/SHH!: Is Harvey Dent alive?
Aaron Eckhart: No. He is dead as a door nail.

CS/SHH!: So he's not coming back?
Eckhart: He ain't coming back baby!

CS/SHH!: I was hoping he would.
Eckhart: No. I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, "You're dead" before I could even get the question out of my mouth. "Hey Chris, am I?" "You're dead!" Alright, cool.

CS/SHH!: That's not a problem in comic book movies. You could still come back.
Eckhart: I think in contract negotiations it's a problem.

CS/SHH!: So you were never signed on for another film?
Eckhart: No, I'm not coming back. I think unfortunately, Heath [Ledger] was supposed to go on and that didn't work out. I'm nobody. I'm a cog. I have no say over this sort of stuff. I'm sure that there's so many other characters that they could whip together. I heard Angelina Jolie was going to be Catwoman or something like that. I thought that was a great idea. I'd like to be in that one.

CS/SHH!: It must be gratifying that so many people responded to your character.
Eckhart: Yeah, I dig it. Write your Congressman. I like that for the first time in my career I'm getting fan mail from kids and 8-year-olds. "My name is Bill. I really liked the film." I've never had that before. I think that's fun. I think someone told me they're going to be Harvey Two-Face for Halloween which is cool. I said to two kids the other day, "Did you see Batman yet?" Then I come to find out like two seconds later they've seen it four times. People are really going back to see it. My parents saw it I think 12 [times] so far. They're sick that it's going out of the theaters.

]CS/SHH!: Do they normally see your movies 12 times?[/B]
Eckhart: I don't know about 12, but they like to go see the movies. They like to go see the audience. They like to tell people that I'm in the movie like popcorn people.

Spoiler

But then again... he says Harvey Dent is death... not Harvey Two-Face.

 

[Buttmunch]

An interview from a couple of days back.

They did ask Harvey Dent though, not Two-face. To get picky, they are two seperate people really. But he does say he isn't returning either.

 

[dunedain]

They did ask Harvey Dent though, not Two-face. To get picky, they are two separate people really. But he does say he isn't returning either.

Indeed. It's just wait and see I guess. This is the curse and beauty of a Nolan directed film.

 

[Buttmunch]

Indeed. It's just wait and see I guess. This is the curse and beauty of a Nolan directed film.

No kidding. But at least his death was vague enough that it wouldn't be a major stretch to bring him back. I'd actually like to see him a few months or years later and see what his face would look like after it healed.

 

[CelticPredator]

I never saw Two Face as a split down the middle version of Dent. I just saw him as Dent gone mad.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

The script in the art book states: "Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD".

He is dead, Batman did not directly cause his death, nor intend to kill him. He had to act and Dent's death was accidental. As someone else mentioned, there was no way for Batman to know he would die - the height of the drop looked very similar to that of Maroni's. A fall depends a great deal of how you land, not how high the drop is.

Batman had to act, and DID NOT break his one rule.

 

[great1]

The script was also written before Ledger passed away meaning the vision Nolan had for part 3 has changed completely unless he is willing to recast Joker which I really doubt it. Nolan could easily change his mind and bring back Two Face. To say Two Face is 100% dead or 100% alive is ridiculous.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

OK then, but IF he is dead, (as I believe he is), my points are still valid.

 

[Agent0028]

They did ask Harvey Dent though, not Two-face. To get picky, they are two seperate people really. But he does say he isn't returning either.

But to me it sounds like he was saying the actor's character is dead here regardless of whether the character was Dent or Two-Face. "No. I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, "You're dead" before I could even get the question out of my mouth. "Hey Chris, am I?" "You're dead!" Alright, cool."


It would be cool to see Harvey down the road after his face healed.

 

[Khev]

Nolan's Batman is pretty fast and loose with his "one rule." Its a fluke that the first Tumbler chase in BB didn't result in the deaths of half a dozen police officers.

"I won't kill you but I don't have to save you," apparently applies not only to Rha's Al Ghul but to all villains, cops, bystanders, old ladies crossing the street, etc.

 

[JGouse0498]

Nolan's Batman is pretty fast and loose with his "one rule." Its a fluke that the first Tumbler chase in BB didn't result in the deaths of half a dozen police officers.

"I won't kill you but I don't have to save you," apparently applies not only to Rha's Al Ghul but to all villains, cops, bystanders, old ladies crossing the street, etc.

Yeah, I had that problem with BB and TDK as well. Batman is extremely reckless and brutal against anyone who gets in his way. How hard would it have been to tell the SWAT teams that the clowns were hostages? Not hard at all.

But that would've made for a boring climax.

 

[CelticPredator]

They wouldnt've belived him.

 

[Agent0028]

That's what I disliked in the movie, Batman throwing SWAT team members out of a window with a cord wrapped around them to keep them from falling to their deaths. I agree telling the SWAT team that clowns were hostages wouldn't have worked, but they could have found another way to do it.

 

[CelticPredator]

But they didnt die. He needed to get them out of the situation as quicly as possible. Beating them sensless wouldnt stop ALL of them.

 

[cerealkeller]

Maybe Nolan told Eckhart that he's dead because he knew he would be vague about the question if asked. Nolan is a frickin magician when it comes to movies. Perhaps he just told him that so we the audience won't consider him coming back. Eckhart did tell the press he was going to be Two-Face in the film before Nolan wanted him to so maybe thats why he told him he's dead.

Or maybe I'm lying to myself because I don't want to believe he killed of Two-Face. I was really hoping that Goyer and Nolan learned the lessons of film past and not kill off villains. Two -Face would have been the perfect villain for film 3 IMO.

 

[MaulFan]

Or maybe I'm lying to myself because I don't want to believe he killed of Two-Face. I was really hoping that Goyer and Nolan learned the lessons of film past and not kill off villains. Two -Face would have been the perfect villain for film 3 IMO.

Thing is though, in Dark Knight, Two-Face didn't really earn villain status. That's what Two-Face is in the comics, but in Nolan's film world, if Harvey is dead, then Two-Face ammounts to a tragic hero. Harvey Dent was a hero to Gotham, took a tragic turn to the dark and suffered a tragic fate because of his fall from grace. The only true villain of TDK was Joker, who didn't die, so Nolan didn't kill the villain, but unfortunately because of Heath's death, Joker will likely play little to no part of a 3rd film.