OK Somebody give me a good reason not to buy PF Vader

[The Josh]

ESB Lando
ESB Han (either Hoth or Bespin... they want to do another to appease those people who didn't like the ANH sculpt)
ESB Stormtrooper (or ANH Stormie with either Han or Luke exchangable head as exclusive)
*PT Figure (my guess would be a ROTS Obi-Wan.. or possibly a ROTS Anakin
*PT Figure (not sure... but I can see them doing 2 PT back to back)
ROTJ Emperor
ROTJ Darth Vader

So that would be another Han? Nah not another in PF so soon.

I agree that we could see a Stormie, a couple PT figures, and a ROTJ Sidious. However, no new Vader or Han. Not when you have no Maul in PF, Dooku, Anakin, Ep3 Obi, Qui-Gon, Lando, 3PO, R2, etc. lot of other characters.

Here's an interview I did with Brant for Santroopers.com that we posted in our SS section.

Will we get the hobbits made in the 12" line and would they be a 2-pack or how would they do it.

It’s impossible to do LOTR and NOT do Hobbits! It’s unlikely that the Hobbits would be done as 2-packs, because the price would go so high! Each of them has as much clothing and gear as any standard 12-inch figure.


Oh yeah and you should ask him if they would consider making 12" LOST figures.

There are no current plans.

Does SS have any plans on creating all the Imperial troopers, especially a sandtrooper? Something that could blow away the Marmit version?

There will be armored figures in the future, but it’s too early to say any more about the specifics.

Any chance you have Quinlan Vos in your plans?

We were excited when the real Quinlan Vos joined us at the Freaks party! As you know, Ilum Padme won the first EU poll, beating Master Vos. We are looking for opportunities to do more EU characters, so it is possible down the road.

We have the Order of the Jedi, the Heroes of the Rebellion, and the Sith Lords. What is the next series, and can we look forward to som more alien characters?

I’m guessing this question was asked before we announced the Scum and Villainy line, which is going to be heavy on the aliens. Jabba and Bib Fortuna are paving the way for the other low-lifes, catina dwellers, and bounty hunters.

Any plans of a PF Anakin or another Ep3 PF soon?

The PF line is going strong, and there is another announcement in the works. Probably sometime in late August or early September.

Will we get a 12-inch Plo Koon & Aayla Secura in the near future from sideshow???

It’s not the first time those names two have been requested – we are keeping track of the fan interest for various characters.

Will there be 12-inch versions of Clone Commanders such as Gree & Bakura in the near future???

It’s entirely possible…

Will there ever be a statue of a B'omorr monk done in the future???

It’s possible, but the B’omarr monks are nowhere near the top of the list for upcoming projects.

Will next year be more OT focused with the 30th Anniversary of ANH?

We’re still looking to keep some diversity in the line. Even though we do have some fun plans for the 30th anniversary, the line won’t be completely OT.

Will 2007 be a year where we see more LOTR figures from both lines?

The LOTR lines will continue, and things are moving along nicely, but both lines will continue at a fairly relaxed pace. The costume designs have proven to be very time consuming, and our design and development teams have really been challenged with each of the LOTR characters tackled so far. It just takes time to get them right!

What are the chances we get more PF pieces with electronical features like with Vader and Obi-Wan?

Chances are good… 

Can you give more information on the new LOTR polystone line you will be doing?

Nope! We’re still in the early design stages, but it will be a nice departure from what you’ve seen before.

 

[Gruson]

Let me know what you want to bet Dougmcc.

No chance there will be another PF Vader in hand within 2 years.

"To be honest," I would love to see your collection since you do not like the PF Vader. What is better?

As Mini would say, it is THE DEFINITIVE Vader statue.

 

[DouglasMcc]

Let me know what you want to bet Dougmcc.

No chance there will be another PF Vader in hand within 2 years.

"To be honest," I would love to see your collection since you do not like the PF Vader. What is better?

As Mini would say, it is THE DEFINITIVE Vader statue.

Actually, I would still have to give that DEFINITIVE Vader statue award to the 1st Attakus Vader. If I could get a PF Vader from SS in that style... I would never need another Vader. The Attakus just say, "Bad A## Sith" much better than the akward SS PF Vader. Now, if you add Obi-Wan in there to create a diorama, I would probably change that.. but we are talking about individual statues.. so that's not allowed.

Why do you need to see my collection in order to validate my opinion on the PF Vader? As I have said in the past, I am on a teacher's salary and I have to care for my mother who is wheel-chair bound. I can not afford 1200 dollar Terminator statues, no matter how amazing they are. Does that make my opinion any less valid than yours? I am willing to bet that 85% of the members here have better collections than mine. However, what I have brings me happiness. So, other than slight jealousy pangs when I see rooms like the ones pictured earlier, I am fine with it. In order to be able to afford the PF Vader, I sold my signature edition Code 3 X-Wing. It was just sitting there collecting dust... it didn't do that much for me other than having the autograph... which I replaced for a lot less money. After 4 months of displaying the Vader, I came to the realization that I only wanted it because everyone else was saying it was so cool. I was constantly shifting it on its base trying to find an angle that made me happy. I never found one. So, I sold it to finance more 1/6 scale Sideshow. Don't get me wrong, I am not going to hate on someone for making money. That's what makes this country great. However, most people have to prioritize when it comes to these things. That's what I did. Congrats on your expansive collection. It is truly impressive, even in picture form. I would love to have something like that.. but I doubt I ever will.

P.S. The bet was more of a gentlemen's wager. I doubt I could offer up anything that would interest you anyway. I admit I may be wrong. However, I still believe we will have either a ROTS or a ROTJ Vader within 2 years (PLEASE don't go with the ROTS one Sideshow... please?).

 

[Collector Freak]

Like the post says. Why should I not get the PF Vader.

I am looking to get this but I am not 100% sure. I know all the reasons why to get it. Does anyone here know why I should not.

The helmet sculpt is not 100%, but other than that I love mine.

 

[DouglasMcc]

Jlc, unless I am missing something, I do not see anything in that interview to negate the chance of another PF Vader in the next 2 years. I do have to admit I forgot about Maul. Put him under that PT slot I left blank. However, I doubt they do more than 1 or 2 PT next year. Just like everyone else, the focus will be on OT for the anniversary. I did have time to rethink the Han though. You do have a point on that one. The fact that the original is still available doesn't help either.

I still do not think Sideshow sees the PT as a viable market for PF figures. Sure, Grevious sold for the cool factor, and a Maul would sell because everyone loves Maul. However, outside of a ROTS Anakin or Obi... I really do not see the PF market jumping on PT 1/4 figures. It may sound snobby, but the majority of the PF collectors I know are OT centric... many feel the PT was some kind of heresy (I do not feel that way however). So, I think we will get a majority of the PF figures in OT flavor for 2007.

 

[The Josh]

No way the Attakus Vader 1 is the definitive Vader piece. SS wins that hands down. I've had a chance to see the Attakus piece in person before and it doesn't give off the vibe the SS one does.

I agree with you DM that you don't have to show your collection to prove a point. Everyones collection is cool enough for me because they feel their collection and showing it or not doesn't validate ones opinion. I'm like you a Teacher that is so I can't drop the kind of coin some do on other pieces.

My point on the posting the interview was that they aren't going to be just going OT next year so that kind of rules out another Vader PF next year. I guess in very late 08 it could happen but I still doubt it. I know the PT has its haters but there are a lot of cool characters who could be made in PF from that and I think they will. I do totally disagree that SS doesn't look at the PT as a market for the PF pieces outside of 2-3 basically.

 

[Mini-Rock]

However, I still believe we will have either a ROTJ

Nope!

or a ROTS Vader within 2 years.

More likely (before the suit Vader)!

I admit I may be wrong.

Definitely!

You got that right Gru! The Definitive Vader Sideshow's definitely is. Nothing else even comes close unless you go 1:1 (like Brent's ).

Thanks for posting that interview Josh! I'm definitely looking forward to many MANY more prequel PF pieces. I know Qui-Gon and Maul are high probability characters according the interview from a couple years back; but, I'd also love to get a Queen Amidala (Red Senate Gown) EP1, Jango Fett, Dooku, Mace, EPIII Anakin (Vader) Obi-Wan EPIII, Padme (Arena Outfit) EPII, and my most wanted Aayla Secura. Throw in some Clone Commanders (Gree, Cody, Bacara) a few more Jedi Council members (Ki-Adi, Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Kit) and Sidious and we're set!!

 

[oxbeard]

I really think we'll see the PF Maul much sooner than later due to his popularity. I have to agree as well that I wouldn't look for another Vader anytime soon. Like has been mentioned the only character duplicated so far is Luke and I'm with Josh I think this was motivated more to get a PF Yoda than just to do another Luke. And I know that the exclusive is sold out right now, but don't let that fool. Judging from most reaction on the boards the reception wasn't all that great to having a character duplicated so soon. As a matter of fact a large majority of purchasers seem to be preordering Luke/Yoda while selling their ANH Luke because they only want one representation. Not to mention that I have also seen several reports since SDCC of folks planning to cancel the Luke/Yoda and get the Yoda bust instead to him represented.

And as far as Han goes, the only other PF of him I would expect would be HIC hopefully with electronic panels.

 

[Gruson]

I agree, Attakus 1 is also great.

Great pose.

 

[JAWS]

Look how crazy these people are https://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214384


The Cinemacast 2 is like my least fav.

The Attakus 1 pose does rule. If the did a PF with that pose I don't know if I would need another statue of anythig ----- EVER!!

Well unless they did this pose. This is actually my fav. Vader pose

Just wished I like the Medicom better. Looks good in that photo but when I see photos from collectors I am never that impressed. Actually it was that figure that got me looking into the PF stuff.

 

[DouglasMcc]

No way the Attakus Vader 1 is the definitive Vader piece. SS wins that hands down. I've had a chance to see the Attakus piece in person before and it doesn't give off the vibe the SS one does.

I agree with you DM that you don't have to show your collection to prove a point. Everyones collection is cool enough for me because they feel their collection and showing it or not doesn't validate ones opinion. I'm like you a Teacher that is so I can't drop the kind of coin some do on other pieces.

My point on the posting the interview was that they aren't going to be just going OT next year so that kind of rules out another Vader PF next year. I guess in very late 08 it could happen but I still doubt it. I know the PT has its haters but there are a lot of cool characters who could be made in PF from that and I think they will. I do totally disagree that SS doesn't look at the PT as a market for the PF pieces outside of 2-3 basically.

Jlcmsu, I am beginning to remember similar discussion on Rebelscum... was that you? You guys are missing 2 points here:

1.) Everyone has an opinion, and none are better than any other one.
2.) Personal perception plays a dominant role in these matters.

I was never arguing that "Sideshow Vader is crap and everyone else is crazy if they don't believe that." However, I do get the opposite vibe from many of the people who posted in this thread. I feel the Attakus Vader 1, despite being vastly overpriced, is a much better representation of the character than the akward 2 handed pose used in the SS PF Vader. IMO, the SS PF Vader looks like Anakin on his first day of physical therapy after being put in the suit:

"Okay, Lord Vader, swing left... no my Lord... your left... *gurgle* m..y.. Lord... cho--kkkkkk--ing me won.... t HELP!"

Yes, that's a silly image, but its how I see the pose. Maybe it represents Vader in the original movie. But to me it doesn't reach the "cool" factor of the character, or even the roots of the character's nature. It doesn't inspire me like an image of Vader striding confidently towards an objective. That's what the Attakus says to me. I have seen it in person, as well, and that didn't change my opinion. And, for me, pose goes a long way further than having a mixed format PF figure. So to better illustrate my taste, here is a list of my top-posed Vader items. Keep in mind these will range in price, I am talking about the pose, not the item:

1. Attakus 1 Vader
2. Unleashed 1 Vader
3. GG ROTS Vader Statue (heck, if this one wasn't so skinny to connect him to the PT, it would be the definitive for me)
4. Gentle Giant 1 Bust
5. ROTS Kotobukiya Vader 3
6. PF SS Vader
7. Attakus 2 Vader
8. GG Vader 2 bust
9. Kotobukiya 1 Vader
10.Unleashed Vader 2 (ROTS version)

But, if you rearrange that list to reflect all of my grading criteria, it would go like this. And keep in mind, that while money is reflected in this list due to quality... it is NOT a rating factor. If you are collecting something because it is expensive, IMO, you are not collecting it, you are trying to make yourself feel important.

1. Attakus 1 Vader
2. GG Vader 1 Bust
3. SS PF Vader
4. ROTS GG Vader Statue
5. Unleashed 1 Vader
6. Attakus Vader 2
7. ROTS Kotobukiya Vader 3
8. GG ROTS Vader 2 bust
9. Kotobukiya Vader 1
10. Unleashed Vader 2 (ROTS)

Okay, I realize that I might have missed a cool item... I am going off the top of my head. Also realize some people might object to comparing busts to statues, but I see them in the same light.

Once again, these are my personal opinions. And if cost was no object, I would have that Attakus 1 Vader standing beside me on my computer desk right now... but, alas, for most of, cost does matter. After selling the PF Vader, I still have 7 of my top 10. And, based on my financial situation, I bet you can guess which 3 I don't have LOL But I am happy. And that's all that matters.

So, I guess it's time to end this thread. JAWS has his PF, and I wish him the best. The PF Vader ranks as highly on my list based soley on the quality of the costume. If he can live with the pose, .... lets not put it that way.. if he likes the pose, it should easily be his number 1 Vader collectible. And most people here are not going to change their minds. It's okay to believe in what you believe, as long as you do not try to discount what others believe.


P.S. Mini-Rock, I was talking about Suited ROTS Vader, not some kind of Sith Eyes Anakin. I realize Sidous dubbed him Vader after the Mace confrontation. However, to me, he's Anakin til he goes into that suit. Sideshow would probably go a PF Spike route with ROTS Anakin and give a Sith Eyed head as the exclusive. And, at least I am humble enough to admit I could be wrong... humility... give it a try sometime.. it can be fun. j/k

 

[LOTRFan]

I think if you read the box carefully on the PF Vader, I think you will realize that we are not likely to see another Vader ... at all. The text seems so all-encompasing to me anyway, that SS may be done with him. That is also likely why there were some "idealizations" made in the statue itself. That is all well and good by me, I don't think I would want two Vaders, Luke is different just because it is such a different moment and includes Yoda. Of course I am no more the wiser than anyone, but this has always been my impression.

As for the pose, well, come on; the PT has the characters spinning, flipping and fighting much differently than the OT. Vader's fight was awkward in ANH, watch it again - what you don't like is the actual film, not the pose. Sideshow nailed the pose on Vader, exactly as it was from the film.

Oh and fine by me for SS to make more PT ... I can save up that way.

 

[DouglasMcc]

I think if you read the box carefully on the PF Vader, I think you will realize that we are not likely to see another Vader ... at all. The text seems so all-encompasing to me anyway, that SS may be done with him. That is also likely why there were some "idealizations" made in the statue itself. That is all well and good by me, I don't think I would want two Vaders, Luke is different just because it is such a different moment and includes Yoda. Of course I am no more the wiser than anyone, but this has always been my impression.

As for the pose, well, come on; the PT has the characters spinning, flipping and fighting much differently than the OT. Vader's fight was awkward in ANH, watch it again - what you don't like is the actual film, not the pose. Sideshow nailed the pose on Vader, exactly as it was from the film.

Oh and fine by me for SS to make more PT ... I can save up that way.

Okay, I can accept the belief that another Vader is way down the road... I don't agree, but it may be true. However, I can pretty much guarrantee another Vader AT SOME POINT. I mean, come on, Vader sells. Can you really see a company like Sideshow, which is out to make money for itself, saying 5 years from now.. well, the PF Vader is going for $$$ on eBay. We aren't seeing any of that money.. but we already made one so lets get working on that PF Jar-Jar with silicon tongue When talking about another PF Vader, its a matter of WHEN, not IF. The only way I see another PF Vader not happening is if they do away with PF figures in the next 2 or 3 years... or if, God Forbid, they loose the Star Wars license. Hate Hasbro if you will, but they understand the nature of the beast - VADER SELLS. That's why they re-release him every 2 waves PF is a slightly different beast, but the mantra still holds. In the future, when the PF Vader is not so easy to find on eBay, new adopters will clamour for a Vader.. if a second has not been made by that point, it will be made then.

P.S. 2 things: you realize the text on the box is just mean to sell the item, right? Its created by marketing to get your juices flowing and make you forget the thing cost 350 bucks. Also, Darth Vader never fights in the PT.. that's Anakin. Don't care what people "annoint" him, to me, Anakin is Anakin til he's put in the suit. However, this does go to illustrate my point.. many collectors hate the PT. It makes no sense to me, but its true.

P.S.S. I do not "hate" the film. However, I think Vader become the icon we know in ESB and ROTJ. Hell, Tarkin was still leading him around like a lost puppy in ANH... Motti was calling him out at meetings and insulting the Jedi/Sith ways (sure, he got a choke down, but still its the fact he did it), Vader was just a soldier in ANH. In ESB, he became a Sith. That's the image I want of my Vader. Doesn't mean I hate ANH. I just prefer Empire over it.

 

[The Josh]

Jlcmsu, I am beginning to remember similar discussion on Rebelscum... was that you? You guys are missing 2 points here:

1.) Everyone has an opinion, and none are better than any other one.
2.) Personal perception plays a dominant role in these matters.

We may have. I post at several boards so I can't remember all the discussions I've had.

I didn't say you didn't have a right to your opinion nor did I say mine was better than yours. Just that I don't agree with you and that IMO you're off base. Doesn't mean you are that's just MY OPINION.

I agree personal perception does play a role in these matters and for me the SS Vader captures the feel I get when I watch the OT and Vader appears. Especially the scene it comes from in ANH.

I was never arguing that "Sideshow Vader is crap and everyone else is crazy if they don't believe that." However, I do get the opposite vibe from many of the people who posted in this thread. I feel the Attakus Vader 1, despite being vastly overpriced, is a much better representation of the character than the akward 2 handed pose used in the SS PF Vader. IMO, the SS PF Vader looks like Anakin on his first day of physical therapy after being put in the suit:

I never thought you where saying the SS Vader was crap. I just don't feel the Attakus Vader is on the same level as the SS Vader. I think the Attakus Vader is one of the most overpriced pieces on the markey. It's a really good piece but not worth what it sells for IMO. Like LOTRFan said below in the OT Vader in that scene does walk and fight somewhat akwardly it's not nearly as fluid as the PT stuff. So again I think the SS pieces captures that correctly.

Yes, that's a silly image, but its how I see the pose. Maybe it represents Vader in the original movie. But to me it doesn't reach the "cool" factor of the character, or even the roots of the character's nature. It doesn't inspire me like an image of Vader striding confidently towards an objective. That's what the Attakus says to me. I have seen it in person, as well, and that didn't change my opinion. And, for me, pose goes a long way further than having a mixed format PF figure. So to better illustrate my taste, here is a list of my top-posed Vader items. Keep in mind these will range in price, I am talking about the pose, not the item:

1. Attakus 1 Vader
2. Unleashed 1 Vader
3. GG ROTS Vader Statue (heck, if this one wasn't so skinny to connect him to the PT, it would be the definitive for me)
4. Gentle Giant 1 Bust
5. ROTS Kotobukiya Vader 3
6. PF SS Vader
7. Attakus 2 Vader
8. GG Vader 2 bust
9. Kotobukiya 1 Vader
10.Unleashed Vader 2 (ROTS version)

I can't say I agree with this list at all. Some of these he is too cartoony to be ahead of the SS Vader.

But, if you rearrange that list to reflect all of my grading criteria, it would go like this. And keep in mind, that while money is reflected in this list due to quality... it is NOT a rating factor. If you are collecting something because it is expensive, IMO, you are not collecting it, you are trying to make yourself feel important.

1. Attakus 1 Vader
2. GG Vader 1 Bust
3. SS PF Vader
4. ROTS GG Vader Statue
5. Unleashed 1 Vader
6. Attakus Vader 2
7. ROTS Kotobukiya Vader 3
8. GG ROTS Vader 2 bust
9. Kotobukiya Vader 1
10. Unleashed Vader 2 (ROTS)

Those are all good pieces but none of them I think capture the look and feel that the SS Vader captures. IMO of course.

Once again, these are my personal opinions. And if cost was no object, I would have that Attakus 1 Vader standing beside me on my computer desk right now... but, alas, for most of, cost does matter. After selling the PF Vader, I still have 7 of my top 10. And, based on my financial situation, I bet you can guess which 3 I don't have LOL But I am happy. And that's all that matters.

You have a right to your opinion again nobody is saying that. I think most of us think you're wrong on which Vader is better and that another Vader is coming within the next two years but hey that doesn't mean you're wrong just because our opinions differ. If you're happy with your collection then it doesn't really matter does it?

So, I guess it's time to end this thread. JAWS has his PF, and I wish him the best. The PF Vader ranks as highly on my list based soley on the quality of the costume. If he can live with the pose, .... lets not put it that way.. if he likes the pose, it should easily be his number 1 Vader collectible. And most people here are not going to change their minds. It's okay to believe in what you believe, as long as you do not try to discount what others believe.

The pose comes straight from ANH in the scene with Obi-Wan so how can you not like the pose or stand the pose. It totally captures one of the most important scenes in the Star Wars Saga. You're correct I don't think anyone is going to change anyone elses opinion on this issue but that also works both ways.

P.S. Mini-Rock, I was talking about Suited ROTS Vader, not some kind of Sith Eyes Anakin. I realize Sidous dubbed him Vader after the Mace confrontation. However, to me, he's Anakin til he goes into that suit. Sideshow would probably go a PF Spike route with ROTS Anakin and give a Sith Eyed head as the exclusive. And, at least I am humble enough to admit I could be wrong... humility... give it a try sometime.. it can be fun. j/k

Vader is Vader. Suited or not.

As for the pose, well, come on; the PT has the characters spinning, flipping and fighting much differently than the OT. Vader's fight was awkward in ANH, watch it again - what you don't like is the actual film, not the pose. Sideshow nailed the pose on Vader, exactly as it was from the film.

I agree Vader wasn't exactly nimble in that scene.

Okay, I can accept the belief that another Vader is way down the road... I don't agree, but it may be true. However, I can pretty much guarrantee another Vader AT SOME POINT. I mean, come on, Vader sells. Can you really see a company like Sideshow, which is out to make money for itself, saying 5 years from now.. well, the PF Vader is going for $$$ on eBay. We aren't seeing any of that money.. but we already made one so lets get working on that PF Jar-Jar with silicon tongue When talking about another PF Vader, its a matter of WHEN, not IF. The only way I see another PF Vader not happening is if they do away with PF figures in the next 2 or 3 years... or if, God Forbid, they loose the Star Wars license. Hate Hasbro if you will, but they understand the nature of the beast - VADER SELLS. That's why they re-release him every 2 waves PF is a slightly different beast, but the mantra still holds. In the future, when the PF Vader is not so easy to find on eBay, new adopters will clamour for a Vader.. if a second has not been made by that point, it will be made then.

The thing is SS isn't Hasbro they don't need to do another Vader to help sell the line because they aren't putting out all the ****ty characters hasbro does to help fill out a line. SS is only going to put out the characters that sell themselves so they don't need Vader every two weeks to sell someting. I agree we'll get another Vader but I think it will be a Sith Eyed Anakin/Vader later down the line.

 

[Mini-Rock]

Oh, there is no "could be" about it.

And, at least I am humble enough to admit I could be wrong...

 

[Darklord Dave]

We'll see a pre-suit Vader PF before another suited Vader, which I don't expect to ever see. Repeats on Luke, Leia and Han, of course, but not Vader.

Funny how the Cinemacasts never even come up with discussion of "what's best" on most boards. I think it may have something to do with price - aren't they and the Kotos the cheapest?

 

[DouglasMcc]

We'll see a pre-suit Vader PF before another suited Vader, which I don't expect to ever see. Repeats on Luke, Leia and Han, of course, but not Vader.

Funny how the Cinemacasts never even come up with discussion of "what's best" on most boards. I think it may have something to do with price - aren't they and the Kotos the cheapest?

Okay, I had sworn myself off this thread.. but Dave intrigues me. People keep throwing around "we will see more versions of X,Y, and Z, but never another Vader." However, no one bothers to provide background or an explanation of why they feel this way. There are "essential" versions of each character: ANH Luke, Bespin Luke, and Jedi Luke, ANH Han, Hoth Han, Bespin Han, Han in Carbonite, etc. I get that. However, Vaders costume and demeanor changed in each film as well. So why wouldn't they give us that ROTJ Vader (which has a superior suit and helmet to ANH) with an exchangable Anakin head (... of course that gets us into original vs. special edition changes, but lets leave that argument for later). I do not mean to be-little anyones' opinion. I just cannot see the logic behind not making another destinctively different Vader. Please, enlighted me to this theory.

 

[The Josh]

Okay, I had sworn myself off this thread.. but Dave intrigues me. People keep throwing around "we will see more versions of X,Y, and Z, but never another Vader." However, no one bothers to provide background or an explanation of why they feel this way. There are "essential" versions of each character: ANH Luke, Bespin Luke, and Jedi Luke, ANH Han, Hoth Han, Bespin Han, Han in Carbonite, etc. I get that. However, Vaders costume and demeanor changed in each film as well. So why wouldn't they give us that ROTJ Vader (which has a superior suit and helmet to ANH) with an exchangable Anakin head (... of course that gets us into original vs. special edition changes, but lets leave that argument for later). I do not mean to be-little anyones' opinion. I just cannot see the logic behind not making another destinctively different Vader. Please, enlighted me to this theory.

Well, my reason for thinking this way are pretty simple. I know with the version we have now it took SS a while to make all the changes both they wanted, Lucasfilm, and ones we talked about. I don't think they want to go through that all again for the little things that changed on his suit during the OT. Unless you're really up on the changes most SW fans I bet couldn't tell you the changes in the suit. So why do another version just for those changes and at the level of cost he would command doesn't make it worth the time and trouble. The other characters had totally different outfits that could be made like with Leia. We have her ANH vesion, Boushh in 12" (which they could redo in PF, Hoth, and Slave Leia which I hope is the next version of her they do in PF. Luke had several changes in outfits as well so they could command more of them being made. Not to mention another Vader would take the spot of someone who might be more deserving of another PF when we already have a great PF Vader made. Why try and reinvent the wheel when you already nailed it?

 

[Mini-Rock]

Unlike Han, Luke, and Leia, Vader goes through subtle costume changes throughout the OT. It's just not drastic enough to warrant another version of the "same black suit." With Luke, there are Tatooine Luke, Rebel Pilot Luke, Dagobah Luke, and Jedi Luke. Leia has several different outfits too: ANH, Hoth outfit, Bespin Gown, Slave Leia, Boush, Ewok Village outfit, and Endor gear. Han is pretty much the same through out, but other variants could be Han in Carbonite and Endor Han. Personally, other than Slave Leia, I would rather stay away from repeats and have SS focus on Qui-Gon, Maul, Dooku, Jango, Padme (EP2 Arena Outfit) and EPIII Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan to mirror the ANH set-up. Anyway, that is why we won't be seeing another Vader in the PF line. While there are changes for sure, they are just too subtle.

 

[The Josh]

Unlike Han, Luke, and Leia, Vader goes through subtle costume changes throughout the OT. It's just not drastic enough to warrant another version of the "same black suit." With Luke, there are Tatooine Luke, Rebel Pilot Luke, Dagobah Luke, and Jedi Luke. Leia has several different outfits too: ANH, Hoth outfit, Bespin Gown, Slave Leia, Boush, Ewok Village outfit, and Endor gear. Han is pretty much the same through out, but other variants could be Han in Carbonite and Endor Han. Personally, other than Slave Leia, I would rather stay away from repeats and have SS focus on Qui-Gon, Maul, Dooku, Jango, Padme (EP2 Arena Outfit) and EPIII Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan to mirror the ANH set-up. Anyway, that is why we won't be seeing another Vader in the PF line. While there are changes for sure, they are just too subtle.

My thoughts exactly MR! Too many other characters to do plain and simple. As I said these guys aren't Hasbro so why put Vader out every two weeks. I don't think we'll see more than 1 Vader suited in the 12" either.

Padme from Ep2 arena outfit. YUM