Pirates of the Caribbean 5: Dead Men Tell No Tales July 7, 2017

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More detailed thoughts to come, but overall, I enjoyed it, but I didn't leave the theater feeling excited like the other films. Right now I'd rank this in a tie with On Stranger Tides, hard to say which ones weaknesses outweigh the goods most. For me, Jack Sparrow is the main draw of these films and the young Jack flashback was solid but I agree with some of th reviews that characterized present day Jack as feeling there strictly for jokes this time around, he wasn't all the facets of Jack from the first 4 films that I've come to treasure.
 
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I knew it -- Maulfan psyched himself out with expectation.

Not at all, the only true let down for me was Jack not being totally himself, as he's been for 4 films, I'm as much shocked that something that has been a constant in the franchise was absent as I am let down, and I don't blame Depp, the story wasn't written to include them outside of the flashback, which almost makes me feel like maybe it was on purpose to make the flashback stand out more, but it was missed during the present day scenes.
 
Didn't you just give a lengthy dissertation that Jack's been drinking for 17 years, mate? :lol

Again, I suspect expectation is the problem here... despite fat Jack. He felt awkward to me in the opening set-piece, which is why I held back... but he began to pick up his Jack-ness as the story went on. At least I thought so.
 
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A powerful Greek gods weapon destroyed by a random sword?

Flick as entertaining but still bloated with filler. Better than the last one that I don't remember anything about.
 
Didn't you just give a lengthy dissertation that Jack's been drinking for 17 years, mate? :lol

Again, I suspect expectation is the problem here... despite fat Jack. He felt awkward to me in the opening set-piece, which is why I held back... but he began to pick up his Jack-ness as the story went on. At least I thought so.

Just sayin' not seeing the fat IMO Jack looks as good as ever - few can do guyliner that well. Getting the 1/6 HT for sure. But agree there was more Jackness e.g. badassery as things went along like when he pulled the pistol out. But too many scenes that I enjoy LOL to worry about it.

Can I just say loved Bardem in this?
 
Just sayin' not seeing the fat IMO Jack looks as good as ever - few can do guyliner that well. Getting the 1/6 HT for sure. But agree there was more Jackness e.g. badassery as things went along like when he pulled the pistol out. But too many scenes that I enjoy LOL to worry about it.

Can I just say loved Bardem in this?

"Hola Yack Sparrrrow" :lol

Bardem was awesome. Loved the "tapping" bit on Barbossa's ship.
 
Didn't you just give a lengthy dissertation that Jack's been drinking for 17 years, mate? :lol

I did, but that was in reference to critics who basically say that Jack Sparrow from Dead Man's chest on has been a dumbed down, lesser Jack than what we got in Curse of the Black Pearl. My point was, I've never subscribed to that idea, I don't belittle if people do perceive it that way but I don't, I just feel like we got different glimpses of the same character dictated by time and circumstances. The key is, I made that argument because for 1-4, even though there were variations of how serious or silly Jack may seem, there was an overall consistent characterization behind it all and watching that play out is what's kept me running to every Pirates movie that has come out.

For me, you've got a pirate like Barbossa who is just naturally a strong and fierce man who achieves his gains through brute force and command of every situation, which is why he plays so well against Jack because Jack is always the guy that is underestimated and never totally in command of any situation, but yet he's remarkably resourceful to find ways to come out on top by playing people and manipulating situations.

That's why I say that the flashback Jack was perfect, he wasn't skilled enough to take on Salazaar head on and just maul him down like Barbossa might, he had to think up guiding Salazaar in and circling his own ship from not going in, he wins fights by managing not to fight.

The scenes with older Jack just didn't give opportunities for Jack to exercise his wit, he was more along for the ride but it was more Barbossa and Carina seeming to guide the outcome of everything, which works for their storyline, but as a Sparrow fan, I felt like he was underutilized. If you break it down, Barbossa actually ultimately ends up being like Jack on this movie, for the first time ever we see him unable to just control things so he takes pages out of Jack's book using bargains and manipulations to stay ahead.
 
Bardem was awesome. Loved the "tapping" bit on Barbossa's ship.

Agreed, I felt Salazaar fit in perfectly with the level of villain that Barboss was in curse and Davy Jones was. I think Bardeem was able to bring the same villain qualities that made him enjoyable in Skyfall to this role and it worked great. Looking back at Blackbeard, they really wasted him as a villain, if McShane weren't so good an actor, it would have been awful but he at least saved the character from being a total disaster. The writers expected you to fear him as much as Barbossa or Jones but they never really had him do anything to be feared for. Salazaar was a lot like Davy Jones with his utter lack of remorse and killing people just to make a point, like killing off crew one by one til he got what he wanted.
 
Salazaar was a lot like Davy Jones with his utter lack of remorse and killing people just to make a point, like killing off crew one by one til he got what he wanted.

I also like the irony of his original mission, to purify the seas. So determined makes him so dangerous. He would 'make the seas great again'.
 
Far better than "On Stranger Tides"! Very entertaining and fun.
An ok finale for PotC series. Could be better but I won't complain much.
 
I wasn't, just wish...

... that it was handled better. There was no need for him to do it so the whole thing just feels like a lame excuse for melodrama.
 
I wasn't, just wish...

... that it was handled better. There was no need for him to do it so the whole thing just feels like a lame excuse for melodrama.

Good point, might sit better if it was handled differently, but the whole villain hanging on for one last attempt to win has been done so many times you know it wasn't necessary to have it go down that way so it feels forced, would have felt better if something happened where there truly was no other option.

If there are sequels, I wouldn't be surprised if he was resurrected again. For all we know, a sequel plot could be Carina trying to get her father back.
 
For some reason or another, the whole idea of Barbossa being Carina's father, and of course him being killed off, just doesn't sit well with me. :dunno
 
For some reason or another, the whole idea of Barbossa being Carina's father, and of course him being killed off, just doesn't sit well with me. :dunno

I was surprised by this twist, I thought they were going to reveal that Barbossa had killed her father during some adventure on the Pearl before the mutiny against Jack.
 
I was surprised by this twist, I thought they were going to reveal that Barbossa had killed her father during some adventure on the Pearl before the mutiny against Jack.

I personally think that would have been better than Barbossa being her actual father.
 
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