Presidential Debate Tonight - Obama vs. McCain.... DING, DING, DING

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Its your choice. You won.

Well me and my commie santanist friends will just take a live chicken so that we may sacrifice it on our Obama alter! HELLFIRE!!!!!

 

[wofford29]

Well me and my commie santanist friends will just take a live chicken so that we may sacrifice it on our Obama alter! HELLFIRE!!!!!

You can't mention Obama and chicken in the same sentence. It's racist.

 

[The Josh]

Well me and my commie santanist friends will just take a live chicken so that we may sacrifice it on our Obama alter! HELLFIRE!!!!!

Sounds like a plan to me.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

You can't mention Obama and chicken in the same sentence. It's racist.

Man - your right. I may be a commie satanist but i'm no racist.....

 

[Spartan Rex]

PBS anchor Gwen Ifill, who is moderating Thursday's VP debate, is releasing a new book on Barack Obama, raising questions about her objectivity.
Ifill's book, "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," is due to be released about the same time the next president takes the oath of office.

In her book, Ifill contends that the black political structure of the civil rights movement has cleared the way for post-racial politicians to ascend to new heights.

Now some are wondering whether Ifill can be fair and balanced, and whether she should be the moderator of Thursday's 9 p.m. ET debate.
She needs to be replaced ASAP.


So much for the appearance of impropriety.

 

[Mesa]

Well your post came across as we where raised wrong and you where raised perfectly.

That certainly wasn't my intent. What I meant to imply was I was raised to honor and respect our country's flag. Other's apparently weren't, or have forgotten how to, or simply choose not to, which is not a good trait for any leader I want running my country.

I don't put my hand over my heart during the NA. Does that make me unpatriotic?

It certainly doesn't make you patriotic and can be interpretted as a lack of respect.

His associations with ayers is nothing more than serving on a few boards together and this guy has a history with some repubs as well. What the guy did 40 years ago are not good but I have a feeling McCain has a few of these types in his woodshed.

https://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/newly-released-documents-highlight-obamas-relationship-with-ayers/

"Obama's association with Ayers, who now teaches at the university, has become an issue in the Illinois senator's presidential campaign. The Weather Underground took credit for several nonfatal bombings on targets that included the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, and critics accuse Obama of rubbing elbows with an unabashed 1960s radical.

The massive collection of newly released documents -- 140 boxes full of them -- includes agendas that clearly put Obama and Ayers in the same room for meetings of Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an educational initiative that Ayers was instrumental in starting and that Obama chaired in the 1990s."

The story does go on to show that Obama began to question the group Weather Underground's purpose and methods, but for me, sorry, it's all about the company you keep. If you're running for the highest office in the land, probably not a good idea to keep company with a known group of domestic terrorists.

The stuff with Tony Rezko is a bit shady. Its an issue I'd like him not to have but I don't know a person in Washington or Politics in general that doesn't have one. You cannot say that the other side of the isle doesn't have their fair share either.

https://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/757340,CST-NWS-watchdog24.article

Again, it's all about the company you keep. This guy is unethical and crooked. And you want him making decisions about our economy?

3. One of the firm's not-for-profit clients -- the Woodlawn Preservation and Investment Corp., co-founded by Obama's then-boss Allison Davis -- was partners with Rezko's company in a 1995 deal to convert an abandoned nursing home at 61st and Drexel into low-income apartments. Altogether, Obama spent 32 hours on the project, according to the firm. Only five hours of that came after Rezko and WPIC became partners, the firm says. The rest of the future senator's time was helping WPIC strike the deal with Rezko. Rezko's company, Rezmar Corp., also partnered with the firm's clients in four later deals -- none of which involved Obama, according to the firm. In each deal, Rezmar "made the decisions for the joint venture," says William Miceli, an attorney with the firm.

4. In 1995, Obama began campaigning for a seat in the Illinois Senate. Among his earliest supporters: Rezko. Two Rezko companies donated a total of $2,000. Obama was elected in 1996 -- representing a district that included 11 of Rezko's 30 low-income housing projects.

5. Rezko's low-income housing empire began crumbling in 2001, when his company stopped making mortgage payments on the old nursing home that had been converted into apartments. The state foreclosed on the building -- which was in Obama's Illinois Senate district.

6. In 2003, Obama announced he was running for the U.S. Senate, and Rezko -- a member of his campaign finance committee -- held a lavish fund-raiser June 27, 2003, at his Wilmette mansion.

7. A few months after Obama became a U.S. senator, he and Rezko's wife, Rita, bought adjacent pieces of property from a doctor in Chicago's Kenwood neighborhood -- a deal that has dogged Obama the last two years. The doctor sold the mansion to Obama for $1.65 million -- $300,000 below the asking price. Rezko's wife paid full price -- $625,000 -- for the adjacent vacant lot. The deals closed in June 2005. Six months later, Obama paid Rezko's wife $104,500 for a strip of her land, so he could have a bigger yard. At the time, it had been widely reported that Tony Rezko was under federal investigation. Questioned later about the timing of the Rezko deal, Obama called it "boneheaded" because people might think the Rezkos had done him a favor.

8. Eight months later -- in October 2006 -- Rezko was indicted on charges he solicited kickbacks from companies seeking state pension business under his friend Gov. Blagojevich. Federal prosecutors maintain that $10,000 from the alleged kickback scheme was donated to Obama's run for the U.S. Senate. Obama has given the money to charity.

His pastor is a piece of work. A complete douche bag and again I'm glad Obama did the right thing and dropped the guy. I've got an uncle that that preaches and is a bit racist in some of his remarks. Is that an indictment of me? I mean come on just because you listen to someone doesn't mean thats who you are.

More of my same argument, it's all about the company I keep. Sitting in a pew for 20 years and listening to hate mongering about America and White people does nothing for your credibility. If you like Josh, you can ignore it, or give him a pass, but I can't ignore the facts of the company he has decided to keep.

Ah raising taxes. He wants to raise taxes on folks making 250k or more a year. How many of us does that actually hit here? I doubt too many if any at all. You will actually get more money back based on his tax plan. It also in the long run will help how things are going contrary to what McCain's plan which has shown will only make things worse.

He wants to save the economy by spending more money on social services. Hmmm.... Something doesn't smell right. Where is this $ going to come from?

Being liberal is BFD item. Its no worse than being a Conservative. I don't find being a liberal a bad thing.

So I have no problem with him being liberal.

Michell's comments where taken out of context and cut down so the right could play games. I know that shocks ya doesn't it.

She also said it like this later the same night

So you tell me whats wrong with either of those. I see nothing at all and I actually agree. I'm proud for the first time in a long time this country is saying enough.

Not only is your quote wrong like what the wonderful right not knowing what they're talking about and twisting crap.

Nothing makes you more proud to be an American than having your husband run for president. Forget about the moon landing, the fall of communism, Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech, the coming together of the US after 9/11. It's my husbands candidacy that is the only time that I have felt proud to be an American. All I can say is...

He's bad for being an Ivy League lawyer? Is that supposed to be bad? He went to a nice school and got a great degree. I have no problem with that. Do you? Are you jealous he did something you couldn't? I could go on but I digress.

This must have come from someone else. I have no problem he's a lawyer. I can see him using that talent to snow blind the public at large right now.

I'm I live in a small town in the middle of the country and this comment is dead on. People in the MW tend to be very tied to their guns and religion when things get tough.

Here's the quote.

Yeah, let's ammend our constituion and change the "Right to Bear Arms." "CHANGE"

Coming out of Chicago is no worse than anything that was stolen in the last two Presidential Elections.

Thats just off the top of my head.

Oh brother. Did Teemu just enter the conversation?

You shouldn't be questioning how I was raised at all and should probably mind your own business as far as that goes.

I wasn't. Read my post again. I clearly say I wasn't questioning any of those other things other than the issue here, proper flag etiquette.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Nothing makes you more proud to be an American than having your husband run for president. Forget about the moon landing, the fall of communism, Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech, the coming together of the US after 9/11. It's my husbands candidacy that is the only time that I have felt proud to be an American. All I can say is... QUOTE]

She said nothing in her ADULT life.....last i checked none of those things happened in her adult life. (edit: except the fall of communism and the pope gets alot of credit for that due to the Polish uprisings he supported)

 

[Bannister]

Nothing makes you more proud to be an American than having your husband run for president. Forget about the moon landing, the fall of communism, Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech, the coming together of the US after 9/11. It's my husbands candidacy that is the only time that I have felt proud to be an American. All I can say is... QUOTE]

She said nothing in her ADULT life.....last i checked none of those things happened in her adult life. (edit: except the fall of communism and the pope gets alot of credit for that due to the Polish uprisings he supported)

Pretty sure 9/11 did.

 

[Bannister]

It certainly doesn't make you patriotic and can be interpretted as a lack of respect.

So Darkartist isn't patriotic even though he served in the military. He clearly hates his country.

 

[pixletwin]

Bush Sr. Still won in the 1990 election with Dan Quayle.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Bush Sr. Still won in the 1990 election with Dan Quayle.

Well they did lose in 92 when a better canidate came along so i'm not too worried.

 

[pixletwin]

Well they did lose in 92 when a better canidate came along so i'm not too worried.

Doh! I mean the 88 elections.

But yeah... I just don't like to see people getting too confident that O will win just because of Palin. I am voting O, but you never know.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Doh! I mean the 88 elections.

But yeah... I just don't like to see people getting too confident that O will win just because of Palin. I am voting O, but you never know.

too true - you never know with elections.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Well shoot, while we're at it, let's just get rid of the Olympics. And not celebrate Thanksgiving. Screw Christmas, just a bunch of commercial BS anyway... Jesus who? 4th of July, Veterean's Day, eff it, just stupid silly traditions that our country was founded on.

Fine with me. Except Halloween. Gotta keep Halloween, but it should be a week long celebration and we all get off work.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Fine with me. Except Halloween. Gotta keep Halloween, but it should be a week long celebration and we all get off work.

Hells yeah......:chew Half of my family are cheerokee so we don't really celebrate Thanksgiving (racist a$$ holiday) and christmas isn't about jesus so lets get off that.

 

[Darklord Dave]

If you're going to indict one guy for the company he keeps you have to do for the other guy.

How about the Keating 5?

https://www.slate.com/id/1004633/

 

[RoboDad]

If you're going to indict one guy for the company he keeps you have to do for the other guy.

How about the Keating 5?

https://www.slate.com/id/1004633/

Indeed. Both of these guys are sleazebags in my view. But we've gotta choose one of them. Voting for a third party candidate is (IMO) no better than not voting at all, so what are we to do?

It just seems that our choices are getting worse with each election cycle, not better. Something needs fixing.

 

[The Josh]

It certainly doesn't make you patriotic and can be interpretted as a lack of respect.

Well, if thats what you think fine but I think its quite the opposite. Most would agree with me I'd say. I love my country and all that it stands for and putting my hand over my heart doesn't make me any less patriotic than you.

The story does go on to show that Obama began to question the group Weather Underground's purpose and methods, but for me, sorry, it's all about the company you keep. If you're running for the highest office in the land, probably not a good idea to keep company with a known group of domestic terrorists.

From what I've read it wasn't like they where best buds and when he realized what they where up to he got out. I call that pretty sound judgment actually. Your boy McCain and Bush haven't exactly kept the best of friends either so I think it breaks even.

Again, it's all about the company you keep. This guy is unethical and crooked. And you want him making decisions about our economy?

I want Obama running our economy! I like his plans for education, taxes, etc. as they will do the most good for the most amount of people. Unlike McCain who only cares about the wealthy and thinks you're rich only if you make 5 mil plus.

More of my same argument, it's all about the company I keep. Sitting in a pew for 20 years and listening to hate mongering about America and White people does nothing for your credibility. If you like Josh, you can ignore it, or give him a pass, but I can't ignore the facts of the company he has decided to keep.

He may have heard these things but unless he's taken them to heart I don't think it matters.

He wants to save the economy by spending more money on social services. Hmmm.... Something doesn't smell right. Where is this $ going to come from?

He said taxes will go up on those making 250k a year. Thought that was pretty much explained in my last comment. Sorry that slipped by ya or you ignored it to make another fact that has no base. You take that with balancing the budget and cutting that he plans to do there's money there.

What are you confused on? Again, I made it pretty clear. Being a liberal is not a bad thing if anything its a good thing. Liberals tend to want to HELP others instead of being selfish bastards only thinking of themselves.

Nothing makes you more proud to be an American than having your husband run for president. Forget about the moon landing, the fall of communism, Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech, the coming together of the US after 9/11. It's my husbands candidacy that is the only time that I have felt proud to be an American. All I can say is...

Not what she said. Again, you twist the facts to try to prove something that isn't there. When will you republicans actually get a clue as to what someone says or how things really are? My guess is you and the others can't/won't because the facts dont tell what you want. She said in her adult life which I think is pretty much none of those.

This must have come from someone else. I have no problem he's a lawyer. I can see him using that talent to snow blind the public at large right now.

No, thats the public finally taking the shades of ^^^^ we've had on the last 8 years. Maybe why old McCain is getting his ass thumped.

Yeah, let's ammend our constituion and change the "Right to Bear Arms." "CHANGE"

Who said that? I didn't and its not in anything Obama has said. Again, you're twisting the facts. I admit you're good at it. I think we need tougher gun laws in the country. Also the right to bear arms was actually meant for militia during revolution into the civil war time period. It wasn't meant to actually own guns the way we do now.

Oh brother. Did Teemu just enter the conversation?

No, its pretty much well know by anyone who is willing to actually see the truth the last two where stolen but its over and done with. Bush got his behind beat the last few years so that makes up for it.

I wasn't. Read my post again. I clearly say I wasn't questioning any of those other things other than the issue here, proper flag etiquette.

It was pretty clear you where questions our up bringing. Amazing you can't see that but I shouldn't be shocked.

 

[pixletwin]

Josh, civility is a GOOD thing.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

Hey Mesa i think you got a secret admirer ^^^