Prometheus Body: Keep or Start Over?

[pixletwin]

Who cares whether SSC post here? If we were talking to them all the time the conversations people have about them wouldn't be so interesting, they'd be more guarded.

Exactly the kind of response I would have expected from someone who has been here scarce over a year.

Fact is the boards were more interesting back when threads weren't cluttered with whine-threads.

 

[Adoptedscot]

Captain Britain, you do realise you are on a forum for Sideshow Collectibles and Sideshow collectors don't you?.
They used to visit all the time and it was both interesting and helpful talking to all of them about items, procedures but more than that just having them hang out with us was fun. The contact was there.
Unfortunately because of some people cannot control themselves they rarely visit anymore which does nothing but ruin it for the rest of us that want to interract with them.
So yes, we do care if they visit or not. I do anyway and I know a lot of people that would love to see them return more frequently.
x

 

[ProgMatinee]

Captain Newb. J/K

 

[Kuzeh]

Who cares whether SSC post here? If we were talking to them all the time the conversations people have about them wouldn't be so interesting, they'd be more guarded.

 

[creecher]

Who cares whether SSC post here? If we were talking to them all the time the conversations people have about them wouldn't be so interesting, they'd be more guarded.

A good thing too. People just say whatever they feel like now, because they either have a lack of respect, or think they are protected from responsibility by anonymity, due to it being conversation over the net. You yourself admit to, "I have trouble expressing my feelings clearly, so I resort to swearing. Very bad habit!", having a lack of control over yourself.

It would do well if we were all a little more guarded. Interest should focus on subject matter not colourful language etc, but that's too much to expect from a human bean. A homosap. Ahhh ^^^^ it. I just can't control myself or express myself properly, and I caint spell neither. All responsibility admonished.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I don't know if I'll pick up basketweaving, but there are plenty of other things to buy than overpriced toys, excuses or no.

 

[Captain Britain]

Exactly the kind of response I would have expected from someone who has been here scarce over a year.

Fact is the boards were more interesting back when threads weren't cluttered with whine-threads.

I've been here since just after the Boards started, before there was a dedicated URL, under various names, I've just gone away and come back then had to start again due to forgetting my password and/ or id. I've been into 1/6 since SSC started the Bond series, but my interest has waxed and waned (I was also collecting other scales for a long time) and I haven't always been bothered enough about 1/6 to post as well as lurk. However, since 2007 I've stopped collecting everything else as my interest in 1/6 has grown and grown, largely due to Hot Toys and Enterbay.

Actually, I think the boards now are better than they've ever been, and getting better all the time.

Incidentally, even if I was a newb...so ^^^^ing what? A lot of newbies who only know Hot Toys and Enterbay quality will make points just as valid - if not more valid - then the people with attics full of SSC stuff that is slowly dissolving in value (of all kinds).

 

[pixletwin]

I've been here since just after the Boards started, before there was a dedicated URL, under various names, I've just gone away and come back then had to start again due to forgetting my password and/ or id. I've been into 1/6 since SSC started the Bond series, but my interest has waxed and waned (I was also collecting other scales for a long time) and I haven't always been bothered enough about 1/6 to post as well as lurk. However, since 2007 I've stopped collecting everything else as my interest in 1/6 has grown and grown, largely due to Hot Toys and Enterbay.

Actually, I think the boards now are better than they've ever been, and getting better all the time.

please reread the following:

basically, it comes down to a few little things. One, people have gotten spoiled by product put out by hot toys. Two, people remember the "good 'ole Days" when etc.......

In some ways I agree with you that the board is better... but as they have improved so have the become exponentially more filled with whine threads, presumption and hyperbole.

 

[Captain Britain]

please reread the following:



In some ways I agree with you that the board is better... but as they have improved so have the become exponentially more filled with whine threads, presumption and hyperbole.

Okay, but who defines whining? I almost never read a thread or comment that I think is whiny, although I often read things I disagree with. Whining seems to be a word used to describe valid criticism by people who don't want to read it. Believe me, as the parent of a small child I know what whining is...

Presumption - I kind of know what you mean, but not entirely. However, I don't think its 'presumptuous' to comment on any consumer product.

As for hyperbole, what's wrong with that, if it reads well?

 

[Lee in MI]

Might as well toss my hat in this...hey maybe I'll get another demerit!

I rarely see what I would describe as whining albeit I'm fairly new to this board. I would call whining someone just b%*^&ching about a product like saying its sucks.

Most times I see folks saying they don't like something and giving decent reasons why they don't. That's constructive critism and SSC shouldn't run from that. As a matter of fact, that's good market research that would otherwise cost SSC thousands of dollars. They are making collectibles/art and that is VERY subjective to each and every person who buys it so I think if some faceless fans make them shrink like violets, I say they need to get some thicker skin.

I think they make some great stuff, but much like the American car industry, they have not been the best stewards of a market they have created and cultivated for years. At least when I came into this scale of collecting, SSCs was creating the best non-military 1/6th scale items in the biz. Now they seem content to allow newer upstarts to set the pace for them in a market they made. HTs, Enterbay and others are marking "firsts" in this market...first high end 1/6th scale vehicles, roving eye systems and constant improvements to their products and delivering what the fans are asking for. That's where I think some of the frustration comes from. We know SSC can lead the market, so why don't they?


Oh yeah, to stay on topic...the pro needs some improvements but I don't think they should start over. I truely hope they planned it as a modular system and we will see greater heights, added muscles and different body types.

 

[DinoLast]

I feel some of the people on here have become Hot Toys Fanboys, say like an Xbox or a PS3 Fanboy.
They just seem ready to attack everything Sideshow do nowadays.
First they moan about the Indiana Jones line being dead, then moan about the German Indy. Then they have to attack the Terminator PF based on one in hand picture.
I came here because Sideshow rocks. I have been a fan since the Weta/Sideshow days, and it's a shame I missed out on the good times when you could interact with Sideshow reps

 

[The Josh]

Interesting. I can recall Shaithis77, SideshowChris, SideshowQ, SideshowDennis, & brant not to mention Dooley posting here.

They used to be much more active both on the boards and in chat. Now not so much because a lot of folks tact or respect.

Once in a great blue moon, Shaithis or some of the others might post one or two posts, but it was never anything terribly informative or interactive.

You say you've been around since 05 but don't recall them being too active. So either you aren't overly observent, not very active, or making up how long u have been here. I can recall tons of times over the years until recently because of the immaturity here.

 

[Captain Britain]

Dave ought to start a section for the old-timers called 'The Rocking Chair', or maybe 'The Porch', where they can talk about how good things used to be.

 

[plasmid303]

Sideshow reps on the board are just regular ol' posters until unruly people begin inundating them with questions about the minutia of a product. At that point, they return to being Sideshow reps. I bet it sucks. Am I wrong? I can only assume because I got here a bit late to the party. maybe I shouldn't have hung out on OSW and Mediworld for so long before joining here.

But back to Prometheus. I wish the OP had the foresight to buy more recent SS figures with the improvements on the Pro before starting this thread. I myself only have Indy and first impressions (in regards to the body) weren't all positive, but I'm willing to give SS the breathing room to gradually make improvements before I pass full judgment.

 

[lerath666]

Tossing my hat in again. give me a moment to find my post in the GI joe thread and quote it here about the Pro body.
Also, i'd like to point out that the pro body is one of the most anatomicly accurate bodies in the sense of proportions, and shape. Not nessacarly in the butt, but it looks very natural. If you think otherwise, might i advice you go stud anatomy a little bit.

 

[lerath666]

HAHA! Self Quote from the joe thread

Ok. I've held my tongue for as long as i can tolerate it. i know we've got our fair share of Military, and other experts that are related to this particular figure here, but how many of you know anything about human physiology and anatomy? Going strictly from that perspective, of how a REAL PERSON is built physicaly, the truetype, while an excelent body as far as articulation is concerned, is one of the WORST BODIES IN THE ASPECTS OF REALISM. the shoulders are urealisticly wide, the arms are too long, the torso front to back is too thin.
Don't get me wrong, i like the truetype, but Accept the truth people, the stupid is causing me physical pain.
here lets start with the shoulder shape. the human body has SLIGHTLY SLOPING SHPULDERS as shown here

And the funny thing is, the more muscled you get, the MORE PROUNOUNCED THIS SLOPE BECOMES

The reasaon for this is the neck slopes into the shoulder via the

Here is a render of an average military man used in most video games.

Another real shot, slightly less muscled

beleive it or not, these " sloped shoulders are more closely creted by * gasp* the pro body?! who would have thunk it? sideshow actualy did something right? Still don't beleive me ? there are TONS of tutorials over one the OSW boards about slimming down the Truetpes shoulders to make them more real. Everyone is also waiting with batied breath to see the new "slim" truetypes. funny, I'll bet they have the same "wimpy shoulders" that the pro does. The sloping factor aside, the shoulders themselves are FAR TOO WIDE for any real human being.
Is it possible to get the shoulder shape the truetpe holds in a real person? yes, there are a few ways. I knew a guy in highschool who had Cerebral palsy and he held his shoulders like that at all times. Also, if you shrug your shoulders you'll get the same pose. the shrugging act gets you the "inverted T" shape that the Truetype has.
not a male body, but the best i can find at the moment

Hotting on torso depth, if you fix the shoulder width on the truetype, then the chest width is fine , but for how wide the shoulders are, the chest is not properly purportioned.

the other issue is the arms. Bend your arms at the elbow, and notice where your wrst touches your shoulder. your wrist should be right above wherre the top of your armpit is, more or less. the truuetype's arms are closer to the top of the shoulder. add the hands, and we get monkey arms.
not as bad as early luke jedi from sideshow, but the problem is still there.

All this is from the viewpoint of an artist as far as realism is concerned, if you prefer the way a truetype looks, there is nothing wrong with that. But calling it more accurate to the human form is completely incorrect, becuase it's not.

from an asthetic standpoint, now having 3 figures on the pro body, i can now safely say I prefer the pro as far as 1/6th bodies look. As far as tightness of joints go, i've only ever gotten 1 more loose pro body than i have loose hot toys bodies. ( 1 loos hot toys body, 2 loose pro bodies) and the second "loose body" was signifigantly less loose than the first, and I expect this trend to continue. 6 or so months from now, it'll be one of the best bodies on the market, Watch.

I will, however, add this. For muscular guys in skin tight clothing ( like SE) I would like to see something like a snap on muscle system, Like Medicom does with their Kia massive body.

 

[pixletwin]

Dave ought to start a section for the old-timers called 'The Rocking Chair', or maybe 'The Porch', where they can talk about how good things used to be.

 

[RichAlot]

The Pro isn't as bad as everyone is whining about. It does have a few flaws, including some that were addressed from it's original release on Indy (limb leprosy). The a$$ does look flat and should have a little junk in the trunk (boy that felt so wrong to type), but the bottom line is the Pro can achieve just about every pose the TT can. The thing with the TT is it's more fluid than the Pro, but the Pro can still do it.

I'm surprised no one has complimented the Pro on how easy it is to remove and switch hand and feet/shoes. This is no easy feat on the HT bodies and is in fact quite frustrating (don't know how many times I got stabbed by those darn Batman gauntlets). The Pro also looks a lot better on an open-collared shirt (Indy) and does a better job hiding the neck extension/peg. That giant gap between the neck and clavicle that are on the TTs are well hidden on the Pro.

I don't think this is as much of a TT v.s. Pro so much as it is people voicing their frustrations that SSC isn't keeping up with Hot Toys. This is understandable b/c HT is really emerging as in industry leader with many of the techniques they're making standard on their figures (the new eye thing, the textured skin-tones with GOOD paint apps, etc.). HT has stepped it up is the bottom line. I like SSC--a lot--but how many times can we BEG for them to address things like their paint apps to no avail? That's where all this HT v.s. SSC is stemming from.

I don't blame SSC for not being as active as they once were (due to negativity), but I do blame them for not chiming in with an occasional "hey guys we hear you and we're working on it" or "sit tight we'll address that shortly." You know, something to let us know they're listening.

And now I step off the soap box.

 

[The Josh]

Dave ought to start a section for the old-timers called 'The Rocking Chair', or maybe 'The Porch', where they can talk about how good things used to be.

That would be fine by me especially if it allowed me to avoid some of you folks that like to be such "wonderful" people.

 

[JustinLuck]

Richalot, I agree that the Pro's wrist design is a definite improvement over the Buck's. It is also true that the TT wrist peg is not ideal. However, the bifurcated end of the wrist pegn of the Pro has given me some problems. I have seen a superior alternative to the design with SoldierStory and BBi that I hope Sideshow will integrate into their own.