PS4 OR Xbox One?

[devlinboy]

I still think this is a completely cyclical argument.

lol

 

[Solidus]

True. But if you were to ask a publisher if they preferred the sale of a used game or a new one, they'd say new.

I think that most developers would rather stay out of such a discussion, since they wouldn't want to be casted in a bad light by their fans. And even so, I highly doubt that the used game market is large enough to cripple any publisher. Just take for example the tremendous amount of launch sales for games like COD, Assassin's Creed, and whatever else.

I would say, that used games are more of a tolerable annoyance to publishers - but, not something that they'll actively pursue to get rid of.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

True. But if you were to ask a publisher if they preferred the sale of a used game or a new one, they'd say new.

They shouldn't really care. Either way they sold that game twice, as the used copy was bought new by someone at somepoint.

The only issue with the aftermarket is the aftermarket retailers are getting money aswell from that game copy.

Publisher gets the intial sale of the game when it's new and the aftermarket retailer gets the sale again (less money though) from that same copy.

Them trying to kill the aftermakrket isn't because they are losing money, it's because the retailers are getting sales twice and the publishers want that same deal.

So it's not that they are losing money it's that they want extra money, thus Greed.

 

[snappahead]

Absolutely. Money makes the world go 'round.

But they would also love to have someone buy every game in their franchise (if applicable) because they were able to start playing due to a used game.

Buying a used game could possibly help the publisher or not. It's the same as borrowing a game. Te publishers get nothing for that unless the person then goes out and buys their own copy or sequels. New copy that is.

And yeah, I do believe that if new games were people's only options, they would buy new games. Either that or give up a hobby they really enjoy. I'm playing Devil's advocate here though. I don't believe in what MS is trying to do and I won't support it with my money. Used games most certainly have a negative effect on game publishers though.

 

[GasparZizou]

You have statistical proof of that?

You have statistical proof against it?

Oh well, here I was believing it was valid to start an in depth debate with nothing but assumptions.... right mfoga?

Saying used games hurt the industry is like saying that used books hurt the writer, wait for me here...

If I sell an used game, I'm selling my property, something I already paid for and have all the right in the world to do whatever the hell I want with it, including selling it, ergo, the original developer should have no part in this transaction, otherwise it wouldn't be my property would it?

So in fact, the used game market revenue has nothing to do with the devs, they shouldn't even ask to be a part of it cause it's no longer their property.

Now, on the other hand, if some devs were to give the option to the customers of buying a new game with a price that is closer to an used game price, so the customer can choose to buy the new one and support the devs instead of buying it used, then that's a different story, but that's not what's happening is it? They wanted to completely kill the used games market when they don't have any right to do such thing, stripping the customer off his/her right to have a choice.

Imagine this happening with other industries: Movies, books, music, etc etc. trying to forbid people to sell their property...

It's nonsensical, illogical.

 

[devlinboy]

Buying a used game could possibly help the publisher or not. It's the same as borrowing a game. Te publishers get nothing for that unless the person then goes out and buys their own copy or sequels. New copy that is.

And yeah, I do believe that if new games were people's only options, they would buy new games. Either that or give up a hobby they really enjoy. I'm playing Devil's advocate here though. I don't believe in what MS is trying to do and I won't support it with my money. Used games most certainly have a negative effect on game publishers though.

People would buy new games..but they would be limited to a certain amount. I love video games, but if i had to buy everything new i would be a ton more selective.

 

[devlinboy]

You have statistical proof against it?

Oh well, here I was believing it was valid to start an in depth debate with nothing but assumptions.... right mfoga?

Saying used games hurt the industry is like saying that used books hurt the writer, wait for me here...

If someone sells an used game, they're selling their property, something they already paid for and have all the right in the world to do whatever the hell they want with it, including selling it.

So in fact, the used game market revenue has nothing to do with the devs, they shouldn't even ask to be a part of it cause it's no longer their property.

Now, on the other hand, if some devs were to give the option to the customers of buying a new game with price that is closer to an used game price, so the customer can choose to buy the new one and support the devs instead of buying it used, then that's a different story, but that's not what's happening is it? They wanted to completely kill the used games market when they don't have any right to do such thing, stripping the customer off his/her right to have a choice.

Imagine this happening with other industries: Movies, books, music, etc etc. trying to forbid people to sell their property...

It's nonsensical, illogical.

I remember reading somewhere that just because you have the disc, does not mean you own the property on the disc. or Some crap like that.

 

[snappahead]

Interesting. I'm making the argument that publishers would rather sell two than one and people are disagreeing. Didn't expect that.

 

[Privyet]

Its in the fine print

 

[JefftheCollector]

I remember reading somewhere that just because you have the disc, does not mean you own the property on the disc. or Some crap like that.

People do own the disc, they just don't own the IP on the disc which copyright issues and such come into play.

 

[devlinboy]

Interesting. I'm making the argument that publishers would rather sell two than one and people are disagreeing. Didn't expect that.

I understand that argument. And they would. But i think there is something to be said about hooking people in as well. Kind of like selling crack..first one is free my man!!! lol

 

[snappahead]

People would buy new games..but they would be limited to a certain amount. I love video games, but if i had to buy everything new i would be a ton more selective.

I understand. As would I, but all of that money would be going to the publishers. When I buy that old $10 game at the flea market, they get nothing. I think they'd still make more money if we were buying less.

 

[GasparZizou]

I remember reading somewhere that just because you have the disc, does not mean you own the property on the disc. or Some crap like that.

Actually, it's quite the opposite, if you own a particular copy of a disk, you own that disk regardless of the intellectual property rights.

You're only not allowed to make reproductions of the intellectual property but you can do whatever you want with that copy of the disk.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I don't buy used games personally, but i understand that every used game was one a purchased new game, so the publishers already sold it.

Thing is, i've often seen used games priced higher than the same game that is new and others when the price is about £4 difference.

Games go down in price naturally, i bought Dead Space 2 at new, but i was playing other games at the time and didn't get around to it for around 3 months laters, so i put it on and looking at amazon i found it half the price i paid and still new. Since then i now just wait for games to go down in price before buying them.

I got Bioshock infinite for £20 instead of £34.99 and will get Tomb Raider (new) next for £20 rather than the £40 it launched as.

This blocking games so friends can't borrow them or having them usable on a siblings console is what i find dicktacular

Interesting. I'm making the argument that publishers would rather sell two than one and people are disagreeing. Didn't expect that.

I don't think we are.

A Used game was once a new game which sold as new. so the Publisher gets paid for a used game with the initial sale.

So if one person buys a used game and another buys a new game then the publisher has still sold two copies of that game.

 

[Solidus]

You have statistical proof against it?

Oh well, here I was believing it was valid to start an in depth debate with nothing but assumptions.... right mfoga?

Saying used games hurt the industry is like saying that used books hurt the writer, wait for me here...

If someone sells an used game, they're selling their property, something they already paid for and have all the right in the world to do whatever the hell they want with it, including selling it.

So in fact, the used game market revenue has nothing to do with the devs, they shouldn't even ask to be a part of it cause it's no longer their property.

Now, on the other hand, if some devs were to give the option to the customers of buying a new game with price that is closer to an used game price, so the customer can choose to buy the new one and support the devs instead of buying it used, then that's a different story, but that's not what's happening is it? They wanted to completely kill the used games market when they don't have any right to do such thing, stripping the customer off his/her right to have a choice.

Imagine this happening with other industries: Movies, books, music, etc etc. trying to forbid people to sell their property...

It's nonsensical, illogical.

Fanatastic post, great examples. If you purchase something, then it's yours. You should have the right to sell it, keep it, throw it in the trash, or whatever. The main problem that I have with digital downloads (especially on Steam), is that you can't really do any of that. You're essentially paying for the right to download and use something, but "your" copy of the game still belongs to the publisher.

 

[devlinboy]

I don't buy used games personally, but i understand that every used game was one a purchased new game, so the publishers already sold it.

Thing is, i've often seen used games priced higher than the same game that is new and others when the price is about £4 difference.

Games go down in price naturally, i bought Dead Space 2 at new, but i was playing other games at the time and didn't get around to it for around 3 months laters, so i put it on and looking at amazon i found it half the price i paid and still new. Since then i now just wait for games to go down in price before buying them.

I got Bioshock infinite for £20 instead of £34.99 and will get Tomb Raider (new) next for £20 rather than the £40 it launched as.

This blocking games so friends can't borrow them or having them usable on a siblings console is what i find dicktacular

A guy at work told me that you can have 10 friends and family on XB1 and you can lend them the games.

 

[snappahead]

Publishers are alot happier to take your money on those reduced price games than they would be the nothing they'd get if you bought used.

 

[devlinboy]

Anyone want to try some crack?

 

[darthviper107]

It's not really lending, the games you buy get added to your family member's accounts, like they own it too.

 

[devlinboy]

It's not really lending, the games you buy get added to your family member's accounts, like they own it too.

I wish my wealthy brother played video games lol