PS4 OR Xbox One?

[Solarsailor]

Im not sure what to think about microsoft any more. I think by tucking their tail between their legs and admitting they are ******* its done them more harm than if they had of stuck to their guns and tried to go through with their vision of the future. Now they will forever be the console that tried to **** us over and admitted it. And i dont know how people can show their face who tried to defend the XB1 when the company themselves have admitted they dropped a massive bollock.

I don't care really. Companies mean nothing to me. I just want a quality product. Nintendo and Sega dropped massive bombs in the past yet I'd still buy if the quality was there. I've had every system at one time or the other (and still do).

Companies like Apple have been doing stuff like this for years with the nonsense about the different chargers and different ports but I'd still buy the new product if I thought it was a good piece of gear.

What will matter though is the quality of the online experience, the games and features. Ultimately it's just a black box.

 

[GasparZizou]

I'd find interesting how this poll would change after these news if you re-posted it, but it'd be a fanboy hell all over again

 

[Kiva]

I don't care really. Companies mean nothing to me. I just want a quality product. Nintendo and Sega dropped massive bombs in the past yet I'd still buy if the quality was there. I've had every system at one time or the other (and still do).

Companies like Apple have been doing stuff like this for years with the nonsense about the different chargers and different ports but I'd still buy the new product if I thought it was a good piece of gear.

What will matter though is the quality of the online experience, the games and features. Ultimately it's just a black box.

Your money is your money. When you wake up and go to work its all for you and its nothing to do with us and thats commendable. Just dont let companies like MS take you for a fool which is what theyve tried to do and unfortunately you kinda bought in to their view which theyve ended up admitting was a complete dead end. All the best in your future gaming experiences though.

 

[Solidus]

I'd find interesting how this poll would change after these news if you re-posted it, but it'd be a fanboy hell all over again

Well, I believe that this poll (and many more significant ones around the net) have already worked their magic for a positive change. It wouldn't really serve any purpose to make another one - other than to have a "my console is better than yours" discussion.

Practically all of us were in agreement that Microsoft's policies were terrible, to say the least. But, it'll be a blood bath if another poll like this one is created - now that everyone's going to be divided again.

Shorpt better shut this thread down, and fast!

 

[Solarsailor]

Your money is your money. When you wake up and go to work its all for you and its nothing to do with us and thats commendable. Just dont let companies like MS take you for a fool which is what theyve tried to do and unfortunately you kinda bought in to their view which theyve ended up admitting was a complete dead end. All the best in your future gaming experiences though.

The DRM stuff didn't matter in my particular case but I can definitely see why it would effect a lot of people and rightly so. I was willing to run with it until I could clearly see how the whole system worked or which games looked better. That's still really my position. I'm the type of person that will research something to the death (particularly electronics) before making a decision (just ask the wife..)

That's what it comes down to really. It's easy to get caught up in hype. Everyone raving about this and that , you get it, then you think - actually why did I buy that

Gaming is an individual experience. If someone can provide me with great quality gaming I don't care if it says Atari or PS on the box.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah, another poll is not worth the bloodbath

 

[user 1190]

PS4 is still cheaper, more powerful, no kinect, pro-developer and Sony didnt try and shaft us - to our faces.

Pro Developer? Hows that? You realize that MS did what they did because developers wanted.

 

[plasmid303]

I think that Colin Moriarty hit the nail on the head by saying:

"It shows a lack of vision, planning and leadership to reveal the policy,
double-down on it, say how great it is, then change it. That's all. "

I believe that Microsoft has a lot of damage to clean up after saying stuff like "We have something for that. It's called a 360."

The damage is already done and Microsoft had to eat their own **** sandwich for it.

I don't agree with this. It's less a lack of vision and more of a lack of commitment and foresight. Microsoft certainly did have a vision for the future, but it was all just too fast and too drastic a change for the current console-gaming status quo. They could have eased into the future, but they took a big belly flop.

Back to square -1, but at least it's a new start.

 

[user 1190]

I don't agree with this. It's less a lack of vision and more of a lack of commitment and foresight. Microsoft certainly did have a vision for the future, but it was all just too fast and too drastic a change for the current console-gaming status quo. They could have eased into the future, but they took a big belly flop.

Back to square -1, but at least it's a new start.

Yeah all we got was one extra gen before this hits and there is no way to turn back.

 

[snappahead]

The DRM stuff didn't matter in my particular case but I can definitely see why it would effect a lot of people and rightly so. I was willing to run with it until I could clearly see how the whole system worked or which games looked better. That's still really my position. I'm the type of person that will research something to the death (particularly electronics) before making a decision (just ask the wife..)

That's what it comes down to really. It's easy to get caught up in hype. Everyone raving about this and that , you get it, then you think - actually why did I buy that

Gaming is an individual experience. If someone can provide me with great quality gaming I don't care if it says Atari or PS on the box.

Agreed. People get a bit too hung up on branding. If it's going to be worth my money, I'll buy it and who cares who made it in the end. I was pissed at MS because they were making an easy buy into a difficult pass and forcing me to go PS4 only. I've always bought all the major consoles, so it wouldve realy bummed me out to miss out on cool games because their BS. Now, we're looking a a scenario where I can't get both and play everything. How can that be a bad thing for a gamer.

 

[snappahead]

I don't agree with this. It's less a lack of vision and more of a lack of commitment and foresight. Microsoft certainly did have a vision for the future, but it was all just too fast and too drastic a change for the current console-gaming status quo. They could have eased into the future, but they took a big belly flop.

Back to square -1, but at least it's a new start.

Exactly. Their vision is going to happen eventually IMO. They just underestimated how NOT ready current console gamers are for it. It's egg on their face, but it will pass like all things.

 

[GasparZizou]

Exactly. Their vision is going to happen eventually IMO. They just underestimated how NOT ready current console gamers are for it. It's egg on their face, but it will pass like all things.

Aren't the actual features still intact?

The family thing wasn't an actual feature, it was a gimmick to minimize the damage caused by the used game block.

But the rest is still there.

Was your vision of the future really all about the restrictions? That's a grim future, as much as I like Dredd, I wouldn't want to live in Megacity 1.

I prefer a future where there's only innovation in the good sense of the word, now all it's left from XB1 is precisely that, the good stuff.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Microsoft is

The simplicity of the fix really aggravates me. Why have it there in the first place? D-Bags.

 

[GasparZizou]

Greed, plain and simple.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Yup, I woulda gone with the Xbox if they told us all this at the conference and E3.

**** that, PS4 is the way I'm going for sure.

They're too focused on the $$$ and not the consumer. No bueno.

 

[GasparZizou]

I'm just glad they bent the knee to the customer, even if they don't want to admit it.

 

[plasmid303]

Yeah all we got was one extra gen before this hits and there is no way to turn back.

Exactly. Their vision is going to happen eventually IMO. They just underestimated how NOT ready current console gamers are for it. It's egg on their face, but it will pass like all things.

The problem with their vision and it's inevitability is that it's vague, murky, and clumsy. While everyone at Microsoft (and pro-Xbone folks prior to today) probably envisioned a future marketplace that looks 99% like Steam today, they forgot that Steam is not a platform -- Steam is a storefront and a client. It doesn't hold a monopoly on the PC platform.

Console ecosystems are close-walled. You cannot buy Xbox games digitally from anyone BUT Microsoft, whereas on PC you have choices: Steam, GreenManGaming, Good Ol' Games, Amazon, Gamestop Impulse, Ubisoft Uplay, among many others. Competition.

In light of the big news today, it's got me weighing on both hands the things we've lost against the things we've gained now that Microsoft has tossed out their DRM and online policies.

Concepts we've lost that had potential:
+ The 10 family/friends sharing plan
+ The idea that we could one day resell our digital games

"carrot-on-stick" concepts we lost that stood on shaky ground:
<> Cheaper digital games. Not likely due to XO's lingering retail presence and closed-ecosystem.
<> "The Infinite power of the cloud". Still possible even without the 24-hour online requirement, but I don't imagine the cloud being a whole lot more than PR speak when it comes to in-game practicality.

What we've gained:
- A console free of system-level enforcement of DRM
- Rights and/or freedoms over our physical media
- elimination of intermittent check-in from Microsoft
- The ability to play offline permanently.
- The sense that our hobby as we've known it for years has not been altered against our will.

The last one is subjective. I use Steam all the time, but I also buy used games for my consoles. I do believe that some day, the way people buy and play games on consoles will morph into something close to the current pc-standard, but Microsoft jumped the gun before they even had a target. Who knows where physical media will be in 5 years. Will it disappear? I doubt it.

 

[blue_rogue]

Still need Kinect = still don't want.

 

[user 1190]

I don't get the logic against digital only games. Price? How often do you see large price differences in games at a retail level, espcially at launch? Actually gong full digital could in the long run save developers money and allow for lower prices. No need to burn disk, no need for packaging, no need to store, distribute and ship games. All of which cost money that's not being eaten by the publishers.

You actually gained no legal rights over the media. All it means is for the time being publisher will continue to turn a blind eye to breaches in the EULA.

No altered against your will for now.

 

[Duck]

I don't get the logic against digital only games. Price? How often do you see large price differences in games at a retail level, espcially at launch? Actually gong full digital could in the long run save developers money and allow for lower prices. No need to burn disk, no need for packaging, no need to store, distribute and ship games. All of which cost money that's not being eaten by the publishers.

You actually gained no legal rights over the media. All it means is for the time being publisher will continue to turn a blind eye to breaches in the EULA.

No altered against your will for now.

Your kidding your self if you really believe publishers are going to drop the prices if it goes full digital. PC games that are digital don't get dropped in price at launch unless you buy from GMG. Steam usually has them full price at launch as well as every other place. Digital is not the way to go. For PC? Absolutely, but for a console no way. Theirs a big difference between the two and they need to stay that way.