PT Changing How You View The OT

[ambasah]

It's probably difficult for anyone who didn't see ESB in theaters back in 1980 to conceptualize the impact that moment had back then... that Vader WAS Luke's father. The silence in the theater was deafening.

Man, I wish I could en capsulize the feeling in the theater when I saw ROTJ for the first time in 83. The moment that Vader picked up the Emperor with the Skywalker theme playing sent electricity through the whole room (no pun intended). People were jumping on their chairs and weeping. It was absolutely incomparable to anything I have ever witnessed.


I could not agree with the above statements more. Add to that the feeling, as a 5 year old, of seeing the opening sequence of "star wars" and Vader for the very first time....words do not do it justice.

 

[Atom Hues]

I could not agree with the above statements more. Add to that the feeling, as a 5 year old, of seeing the opening sequence of "star wars" and Vader for the very first time....words do not do it justice.

Exactly! Vader's first appearance, in STAR WARS (no episode title yet) in 1977, has much more impact than the "Oh, look.... Anakin's back!" if you're watching them in numerical order as your first experience.

Ever hear Eddie Izzard's joke about how George Lucas is ruining an entire generation's counting skills?

"Okay, children, let's count to 10........ 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, ........uh, 10!"

 

[Agent0028]

Y'all are making me jealous, I can't imagine what it felt like to find out Vader is Luke's father. Like I said, by the time I got to see it in 1997 "Luke, I am your father" was such a well known quote that its hard for me to imagine people not knowing. That's another thing I was a little disappointed about in the PT, I was hoping Lucas would have a few surprises in store for us.

 

[user 1190]

The Pt did nothing for the OT for me. Ok age for me is a huge factor. I grew up on star wars. I can remember where I saw the movies and who I was with. The OT had made a major impact on me before the PT was even an idea. The PT had some fun moments in the movies but over all to me could have been done without. I enjoy them but if they had never been made I wouldn't have lost sleep over it. When I think about it the PT kinda ruined the OT, its the PT's fault the lucas decided it would be fun to play with computer animation and go and in my opinion ruin the OT with the special edition.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Y'all are making me jealous, I can't imagine what it felt like to find out Vader is Luke's father.

Funny thing was, for the 3 years after ESB, before ROTJ layed all answers to rest, many people actually believed Vader was lying...convinced such a thing couldn't be true.

I still wish Lucas hadn't rushed Anakin's final turn to the Dark Side the way it happened. The choice to chop off Mace's hand seemed lazy to me. Couldn't Anakin just have force-pushed Mace away? Blocked his saber? After all, only moments before, he actually turned Palpatine in. Such a key moment -- the moment Anakin's motivations changed so dramatically that he would be willing to murder children -- certainly this is the one moment that needs some critical thought and dramatic context.

If only the thought that occurs to Anakin had occured to Lucas upon reading his script -- "What have I done?"

 

[Darklord Dave]

The "slaves" of Tattoine really didn't have it so bad. They had single family homes, owned their own property (such as 3PO), seemed to even make a wage. Better living conditions than a lot of Californians.

Of course the whole being born into indentured servitude is a bummer.

Maybe the republic and the Jedi have a First Directive like Star Trek - "Do not interfere in local politics" or whatever that non-interference directive is.

 

[D. Martin]

Thats an easy one. The Jedi were just as bloated and self serving as the Senate and not much different than the Sith. Hence the need to wipe out both Jedi and Sith to bring balance to the force.

Get yer geek on.

EXACTLY!

That, imho, is why the Midichlorians were introduced.

The way I see it, the Jedi had become so complacent over the centuries and began to dissect their faith, and because of it they lost their way. I think Qui-gon knew this. I also think he knew what it would take for Anakin to bring balance. He was clearly trying to make Obi-Wan understand, but he couldn't.

When we get reintroduced to Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT, now both pupils of Qui-gon's pure interpretations of the Force, they have faith again. They teach Luke faith.

When Anakin killed Darth Vader and Darth Sidious, he himself was the only Jedi left alive who knew how complacent the Jedi had become and he always rebelled against it. When he died, there was only Luke, who would teach faith again.

If you walk away from the concept that there are two trilogies and look at it as one large story, the character motivations are a lot more linear. There is a lot of growth. And everything ties up nicely. PT+OT=SW.

I don't think we were ever meant to like the concept of Midichlorians. In fact, I'm willing to bet my vintage collection that we're supposed to dislike the concept of Midichlorians.

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

I believe the PT does enhance the OT, it makes me realize how much better the OT is. I can only agree with those who wrote before me, all of the drama and excitement is in the the OT, take for example The Empire Strikes Back.

Finding out Yoda is a small frog-man
The first time I saw Obi-Wan talking to Luke as a ghost I thought now I know what Kenobi was saying to Vader right before he died. Maybe he is still alive.
Obi-Wan saying "That boy was our last hope" and Yoda retorting "No, there is another."
Some of Han's history revealed with Lando and were he got the Millenium Falcon from
All topped off with the revelation that Vader is Anakin Skywalker

These reveals were ruined by the PT. I will say that the best order to watch these movies is 4, 5, 6, 1, 2 and 3. With that being said the PT is not without it's bright spots. It is just nothing compares to the OT; Ewan McGregor played Obi-Wan Kenobi, Alec Guinness is Obi-Wan Kenobi. And I'm through.

 

[D. Martin]

It's probably difficult for anyone who didn't see ESB in theaters back in 1980 to conceptualize the impact that moment had back then... that Vader WAS Luke's father. The silence in the theater was deafening.

Man, I wish I could en capsulize the feeling in the theater when I saw ROTJ for the first time in 83. The moment that Vader picked up the Emperor with the Skywalker theme playing sent electricity through the whole room (no pun intended). People were jumping on their chairs and weeping. It was absolutely incomparable to anything I have ever witnessed.


I could not agree with the above statements more. Add to that the feeling, as a 5 year old, of seeing the opening sequence of "star wars" and Vader for the very first time....words do not do it justice.

I was lucky enough to get an advance screening of ROTS a couple of weeks before it came out. Because of this I knew I couldn't talk to anyone about it, so walking out of the theater the only thing I wanted (needed) to do was watch ROTJ to see Anakin redeem himself. That, in and of itself, is a pretty powerful thing right there. All six parts of the saga are equally important to me.

 

[D. Martin]

"Luke, I am your father" was such a well known quote

Yeah, such a famous quote even though Vader never uttered that exact phrase. The line is simply "I am your father"

 

[D. Martin]

Of course the whole being born into indentured servitude is a bummer.

Like that's any different for the world we live in...

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yeah, such a famous quote even though Vader never uttered that exact phrase. The line is simply "I am your father"

Actually, he says "No...I am your father." As long as you're being specific.

 

[gdb]

The "slaves" of Tattoine really didn't have it so bad. They had single family homes, owned their own property (such as 3PO), seemed to even make a wage. Better living conditions than a lot of Californians.

Of course the whole being born into indentured servitude is a bummer.

Maybe the republic and the Jedi have a First Directive like Star Trek - "Do not interfere in local politics" or whatever that non-interference directive is.

Yeah, plus the slaves had implants to blow them up which means they at least got the minimum in health care. And Ani's teeth were pretty good so I'm guessing dental was included. Try finding that sort of coverage today.

 

[pixletwin]

I don't think we were ever meant to like the concept of Midichlorians. In fact, I'm willing to bet my vintage collection that we're supposed to dislike the concept of Midichlorians.

Thats interesting. Almost as if the Jedi of those times had dissected and analyzed the force to the point where it lost its wonder and was cold and academic. Very cool. I had never thought of that before. I think you are right on the money.

 

[D. Martin]

Makes sense. After all, they were so full of their selves that they wouldn't even listen to the concept that there was a Sith lord out there. Really, send two Jedi when they could have sent 100? Is there really a question as to why Dooku left the Jedi Order?

On that thought, I think his intention was to take out Sidious, but you know how it is. Once you start down the dark path...

I can't image Dooku's rage at the Jedi Order when Qui-Gon died because they refused to believe him. I wonder why he wasn't at the pyre though. I'm curious if this will be another TPM Special Edition addition.

 

[pixletwin]

Makes sense. After all, they were so full of their selves that they wouldn't even listen to the concept that there was a Sith lord out there. Really, send two Jedi when they could have sent 100? Is there really a question as to why Dooku left the Jedi Order?

On that thought, I think his intention was to take out Sidious, but you know how it is. Once you start down the dark path...

I can't image Dooku's rage at the Jedi Order when Qui-Gon died because they refused to believe him. I wonder why he wasn't at the pyre though. I'm curious if this will be another TPM Special Edition addition.

Thats one addition (along with the cut Qui-gon scene in ROTS) that I think the PT really needs. But yeah, that was one of my favorite bits of dialogue from the novelization where Yoda is humbled and realizes what an awesome Jedi master Qui-Gon was and Yoda truly humbles himself and proclains himself Qui-Gon's padawan.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I can't image Dooku's rage at the Jedi Order when Qui-Gon died because they refused to believe him. I wonder why he wasn't at the pyre though. I'm curious if this will be another TPM Special Edition addition.

Would that work? I'm not an expert in the timeline of SW, but wasn't AOTC 10 years after TPM... which means, in TPM, Dooku would soon be in league with Sidious, on the vergo of ordering a clone army on Kamino in the guise of Sifo Dyas. So Dooku must have left the Jedi Order before Anakin was brought in.

Is that right?

 

[Memnoch]

I think ROTS really suffered from the cut of Qui-Gon. It would have been really powerful to see him in his shimery ghost form appearing to Yoda and would have gone a long way to establish the symmetry of Star Wars. Wasn't it in the shooting script up to the last minute?

 

[D. Martin]

Would that work? I'm not an expert in the timeline of SW, but wasn't AOTC 10 years after TPM... which means, in TPM, Dooku would soon be in league with Sidious, on the vergo of ordering a clone army on Kamino in the guise of Sifo Dyas. So Dooku must have left the Jedi Order before Anakin was brought in.

Is that right?

The way I see it, Dooku left because of Qui-Gon's death.

 

[lerath666]

Actualy, Dooku Leaves Right after the Jedi Slaughtered the Mandolorians. The jedi are tricked into getting involved with the Madolorian civil war, And are made to slaughter One side of them. for the record, Jango's side. This happens some time BEFORE TPM. This act plants the seed of doubt in Dooku, and he leaves the order shortly theirafter. All this is detailed, I beleive in the dark horse Jango Fett Comic series, give me a few moments, I'll get you the exact issue number.