PT Changing How You View The OT

[pixletwin]

NOT to be argumentative.... but a) is kind of a sloppy answer, if it's the truth.

"Why are their plot holes in your story, sir?"

"Uh, magic."

One can write off ANYTHING by saying it's the 'will of the Force', that's a cheap way out.

As for b), I have to disagree with the assessment of Luke's 'decision of his life'. Luke didn't stop because Vader was suddenly an unarmed person (BTW.... FABULOUS pun, intentional or not), Luke stopped because he was enraged at the thought of Vader using Leia, and Luke's rage took him right up to the edge of the Dark Side. It helped him beat Vader. Luke is FURIOUS when he fights Vader back to the reactor shaft.

And the Moment of Truth is when he looks at Vader's stump and then his own mechanical hand. It's not about the Jedi Code or killing an unarmed opponent (Mace Windu, paragon of Jedi virtue, was fully prepeared to kill Palpatine, and Palpy was unarmed).... Luke uses anger, fear, aggression, the Dark Side to defeat Vader and JUST when he's ready to kill Vader, in anger, he looks at how he's becoming JUST like Vader. The mechanical limbs are a metaphor.

I'm not trying to be uncool, or argumentative.... just trying to discuss. I totally respect your right to your own opinion, sir.

he he I actually agree with what you wrote too. I don't see how the two are incompatible, frankly. But whatever the reasons, it was THE decision Luke had to make to become a Jedi and had he not started off on the right track, being raised completely clueless of his parentage, he may not have made the right decision.

 

[Atom Hues]

I think ROTS really suffered from the cut of Qui-Gon. It would have been really powerful to see him in his shimery ghost form appearing to Yoda and would have gone a long way to establish the symmetry of Star Wars. Wasn't it in the shooting script up to the last minute?

I always thought the PERFECT Qui-Gon moment for Ep 3 would have been when Yoda plummeted to the floor of the Senate, beaten to unconsciousness by the Emperor.

How cool would it have been to have Yoda laying there, and then you hear Qui-Gon's voice saying "Get up, master! Run!" And it wakes Yoda up!

Juts a wacky thought.

 

[Darklord Dave]

It had always bothered me tremendously that they not only put Luke with relatives that Vader knew, but also keeping the name Skywalker. Sure Vader and Sidious didn't know about the children being born (hence the pregnant corpse of Padme?), but keeping the name seems an unneccesary risk.

But in this radical, "let's make it work" justification mode that Mr. Hughes has put forward - perhaps Obi-wan wanted Luke to have the legacy of his name so he'd feel connected to Anakin and have the need to become a Jedi. Perhaps Obi-wan even thought that there might be some good let in Vader and if he ever confronted Luke he'd know immediately from just his name that he was his son.

 

[pixletwin]

The "Lets make it work" philosophy is much funner and makes you invest a piece of yourself in a series. Like futzing with your figure gives more of a sense of ownership.

I think we can all agree that Lucas made a mistake by writing SW off the seat of his pants.

 

[Wor-Gar]

That's some good thinkin' there, man. I like the cut of your jib, mister.

Thanks

And I did wonder, if keeping Vader's boy-child a secret was so critical, why would you let Luke live with Uncle Owen... and leave his name Skywalker. At least call him Luke Lars.

But again, this is all hindsight conjecture as the intentions for the story DID change over the years as more episodes came about. Maybe in the Super-Special Edition of the series, George will redub Luke's name "Lars" to make it all more believable. He-he... DON'T George! It's a joke!

Flawed or not, the very fact that we're all taking the time to look into it so deeply says alot about it's resonance as entertainment... and alot about our loyalty as fans.

 

[DarkArtist81]

The "Lets make it work" philosophy is much funner and makes you invest a piece of yourself in a series. Like futzing with your figure gives more of a sense of ownership.

I think we can all agree that Lucas made a mistake by writing SW off the seat of his pants.

You said it Pix! Perfect.

I fill the plot holes myself with bits of nostalgic memories and half truths, helps me cope.

 

[The Josh]

The "Lets make it work" philosophy is much funner and makes you invest a piece of yourself in a series. Like futzing with your figure gives more of a sense of ownership.

I think we can all agree that Lucas made a mistake by writing SW off the seat of his pants.

I agree. It makes it a hell of a fun ride though doesn't it?

 

[Atom Hues]

Thanks

And I did wonder, if keeping Vader's boy-child a secret was so critical, why would you let Luke live with Uncle Owen... and leave his name Skywalker. At least call him Luke Lars.

But again, this is all hindsight conjecture as the intentions for the story DID change over the years as more episodes came about. Maybe in the Super-Special Edition of the series, George will redub Luke's name "Lars" to make it all more believable. He-he... DON'T George! It's a joke!

Flawed or not, the very fact that we're all taking the time to look into it so deeply says alot about it's resonance as entertainment... and alot about our loyalty as fans.

Exactly! Well said.

We get bagged on for being "too into" something, but it's something that sparks interest, MAINTAINS interest, and encourages discussion & debate.

I said the same thing to critics of HARRY POTTER or THE DA VINCI CODE... who cares what it's about, it's got people READING BOOKS. Not channel surfing, not watching the world go by, READING.

STAR WARS is continually engaging, and its warts make it all the more so.

And, if that isn't enough to silence critics, my editor at DARK HORSE just told me that they auctioned off a chance to appear in a STAR WARS comic. It went for $13,000. It did so well that they asked the second-highest bidder if they'd like to be included, for their bid of $10,000.

$23,000, to benefit Child's Play, an organization that assists sick and/or handicapped children.

Because of STAR WARS.

 

[The Josh]

That's how I look at some of the most recent movies. If it gets people talking/thinking/reading on a deeper level thats' AWESOME!!

 

[Ninersphan]

The "Lets make it work" philosophy is much funner and makes you invest a piece of yourself in a series. Like futzing with your figure gives more of a sense of ownership.

I think we can all agree that Lucas made a mistake by writing SW off the seat of his pants.

Actually Lucas's mistake is not that he wrote by the seat of his pants, but that he'd led us all to believe that he had the whole thing planned out from the beginning, which clearly is not the case.

 

[D. Martin]

I always thought the PERFECT Qui-Gon moment for Ep 3 would have been when Yoda plummeted to the floor of the Senate, beaten to unconsciousness by the Emperor.

How cool would it have been to have Yoda laying there, and then you hear Qui-Gon's voice saying "Get up, master! Run!" And it wakes Yoda up!

Juts a wacky thought.

Wow! That would be wicked!

 

[D. Martin]

And, if that isn't enough to silence critics, my editor at DARK HORSE just told me that they auctioned off a chance to appear in a STAR WARS comic. It went for $13,000. It did so well that they asked the second-highest bidder if they'd like to be included, for their bid of $10,000.

$23,000, to benefit Child's Play, an organization that assists sick and/or handicapped children.

Because of STAR WARS.

Wow. Back in the day, we did the same thing with the forth issue of Jawa Force for a guy who donated, like $20 worth of toys...

Granted we weren't making 'official' stories or anything...

Dude in the last panel was the winner.

 

[LOTRFan]

Do you guys realize how many contrived rationalizations you're coming up with to explain the plot holes the PT created and Lucas' revisionist history?

Now, I dig the prequel on their own and in their own right they are fun SW flicks. But Lucas dropped several balls. Sorry, there is just no way around that. I'm neither a r or an Apologist... I'm somewhere in between.

And when it comes to trying to figure out these continuity errors and conundrums (i.e., "Why did Obi-Wan say X or Y in the OT when it was A and B in the PT?" and "How can Leia remember her mother, but not Luke?") I can no longer hem, haw, spin and rationalize as if I work for LucasBooks. Instead, I've moved on and use Occam's Razor to come to one sobering conclusion: Lucas simply did not think all of this through as much as some of us nerds have. And here we are...

Well done sir!

 

[Agent0028]

Yeah, I like coming up with my own theories to fill in the plot holes too. Another one I use, as a be all end all is that Star Wars is supposed to be very myth-like and I dare anyone to find only one version of a myth like King Arthur. So having little inconsistencies just adds to the myth in a way for me.

 

[The Josh]

That and its fun to talk and fill in plot issues. All movies have them and it leads to people talking.

 

[Atom Hues]

You said it Pix! Perfect.

I fill the plot holes myself with bits of nostalgic memories and half truths, helps me cope.

LOL

Has anyone here seen SPACED, Simon Pegg & Edgar Wright's (SHAUN OF THE DEAD, HOT FUZZ) 1999-2001 Brit-com about nerds and fans?

There's a FABULOUS moment where Simon Pegg's character (who broke up with his girl earlier) is asked by a friend he hasn't seen in a year how he's been....

Pegg: "I'm OK. Dealing with stuff, sorting out issues..."
Friend: "With Christine?"
Pegg: "With George Lucas."

Cut to Pegg dressed in Luke's black Jedi kit from RETURN OF THE JEDI, holding a torch, looking mournful while John Williams' Force theme plays, and then he puts the torch to a pile of cardboard boxes that says "My Star Wars Stuff".

LOL, we all have our coping mechanisms.

I need another sip of mine..... **sssssssip**

 

[Atom Hues]

Yeah, I like coming up with my own theories to fill in the plot holes too. Another one I use, as a be all end all is that Star Wars is supposed to be very myth-like and I dare anyone to find only one version of a myth like King Arthur. So having little inconsistencies just adds to the myth in a way for me.

Excellent, excellent point!

Makes you wonder about 20, 30, 50 years from now, if the caretakers of the Lucas empire would decide to remake the original STAR WARS, how the myth would differ....

Hey, it's possible! Who's seen the DARK KNIGHT trailer? I was going to look at some spy photos from the new STAR TREK set, but I got distracted watching a BATTLESTAR GALACTICA episode, no, wait, it was DOCTOR WHO....

It'll be wacky when STAR WARS gets reinvented, and I don't mean the ongoing Special Editions....



-Adam

 

[Wor-Gar]

That whole Steam-Punk thing gives you a real good idea of just how crazy you could get with reinventing Star Wars.

 

[Prime Clone]

The thing is, the Jedi are intefering like CRAZY in the civil affairs of Naboo.

Actually, because Naboo has been invaded by the CIS, it becomes an issue for the "marshals" of the Old Republic.

 

[OSCORP]

The PT only exists to me when i want it to.



(looking forward to the live action series,and hoping it's not a disaster)