purple drank or lean???

[crows]

Key elements in Zimmerman's story certainly couldn't be ruled out, indeed he was acquitted because honestly we just didn't have all that much to go on regarding the actual fighting. To be fair to the Martins, we don't know who started the physical stuff. There are some common sense inconsistencies though that keep me thinking the prosecution dropped the ball on making a case for manslaughter.

The only story that would utterly convince me he wasn't 100% responsible is if Trayvon was actively went for the gun leaving George no other option. My problem with Zimmerman's basic stance is that it happens to be the absolute extreme version of events:

- Where Trayvon is the complete 17 year-old 158-pound thug who was so physically dominating as to convince a 29 year old full-bodied George that his life was in danger. George technically waived the "stand your ground" defense anyway.

- When the badly beaten George refuses medical treatment, then later arranges for a family physician to treat him. Call me crazy but aren't black eyes supposed to be visible within the first hour of recieving them? The county medical examiner on the other hand stated George's injuries at the time were "very insignificant".

- In the space of two minutes between the time he hung up with 911 and the time the police pulled up, Zimmerman... yelled help "probably 50 times" while getting his head slammed against concrete some "25 times" and came away with wounds that nearly disappeared after they were cleaned up.

I don't know about you guys but once I really looked at that, it certainly opened up Zimmerman's account to the possibility of exaggeration if not all out fabrication.

At any rate, I think Weiner and Prince George gave us a much needed reprieve from the navel-gazing Questing Beast that is racism in America. What is the standard for progress if not measured by equality under the law? It's easier to make blanket statements about race instead of focusing on the issue at hand which in this case involved just two people.

If it's not the accused, it's the cops. If it's not the cops, it's the prosecution. If it's not the prosecution, it's the judge. If it's not the judge it's the jury. If nothing else, it's all of them. Racism becomes a roving accusation that no one can dispute. So the fire spreads as many base their standards on incredibly stupid people.

well, there is the one eyewitness who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him up.
So there is a witness who saw that.

As far as who started the confrontation, Zimmerman had injuries while Trayon did not. Besides the gunshot so if Zimmerman attacked him first why didn't Trayvon had any injuries?


There was something I found very interesting and quite telling about this,
when Rachel Jeantel went to do that interview with Piers Morgan,
He asked her what they meant by "craka" she explained how they used that word to describe someone like a policeman or a security guard, Not just to describe a white person, but...

did she mean that Trayvon jumped on someone he thought was a security guard or a cop? That is something that made me wonder. Because if he used that word to describe Zimmerman, did she do that to not appear racist for using that word? because she makes it look like Trayvon jumped on someone who he thought was a cop or security.

 

[hoodonit00]

I'd like to know how they plan to blame the AG when the Justice Dept.'s investigation falls through.

You are absolutely right about the race angle. Nothing like making an accusation that people accept as true, simply because the accusation was made (lest they risk being labeled racist themselves; nothing worse than disagreeing with an irrational mob).

As for how beaten Zimmerman was, the pictures of his injuries at the police station look like they're consistent with his story. I've hit my head really hard a few times, without bruising or breaking the skin. I'm not sure how many strikes on the pavement I'd tolerate before getting scared enough to pull a gun. I'm not sure it matters, ultimately. All it takes is one good smack in the right spot to do irreversible brain damage. How hard do you have to hit it to kill someone? I don't know. I don't think I'd take the time to look it up while it was happening to me. I'd just do whatever it took to make it stop.

I shave my head. I smack my head all the time, sometimes pretty hard. Once I smacked it at work so hard it staggered me to a point where I thought I was going to pass out. I have never bled or broken the skin like Zimmermans was in the pictures.

 

[Darkmatter]

I shave my head. I smack my head all the time, sometimes pretty hard. Once I smacked it at work so hard it staggered me to a point where I thought I was going to pass out. I have never bled or broken the skin like Zimmermans was in the pictures.

have you ever had your head smashed into a gritty sidewalk? wounds were consistent to the story told.

 

[hoodonit00]

have you ever had your head smashed into a gritty sidewalk? wounds were consistent to the story told.

Not sure it's evident. I'm team Zimmerman.

 

[Darkmatter]

Not sure it's evident. I'm team Zimmerman.

how about his smashed nose? that looked like a punched face to me.

 

[Frank]

have you ever had your head smashed into a gritty sidewalk? wounds were consistent to the story told.

25 times though? I'd think it would be a tad worse but I believe he at least took a few good shots on the ground.

Imagine my surprise when his version was far more credible than I could ever have guessed based on the most widely accessible version. I'm still in shock.

Ok, but for me the window of time is really thin for all that to go down the way it did. Trayvon must have hopped up on some glowing purple drank to throw down that fast. That and I don't like that he refused medical treatment at the time or that he waived the stand your ground defense.

But I don't believe he set out to deliberately shoot a black kid to death that night. No way.

well, there is the one eyewitness who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him up.
So there is a witness who saw that.

As far as who started the confrontation, Zimmerman had injuries while Trayon did not. Besides the gunshot so if Zimmerman attacked him first why didn't Trayvon had any injuries?

He could have pushed him then proceeded to get overwhelmed. He may have really been a horrible fighter if he couldn't manage to push the lightweight Martin off and away him.

I shave my head. I smack my head all the time, sometimes pretty hard. Once I smacked it at work so hard it staggered me to a point where I thought I was going to pass out. I have never bled or broken the skin like Zimmermans was in the pictures.

He's not a mad dog like you! Could have taken a few hits... but 25 in less than 2 minutes? Damn! Meanwhile Zimmerman was bloat like a butterball, sting like a flea. If Trayvon really was that nasty, it's too bad George wasn't a better fighter... Trayvon might have disengaged.

 

[hoodonit00]

25 times though? I'd think it would be a tad worse but I believe he at least took a few good shots on the ground.



Ok, but for me the window of time is really thin for all that to go down the way it did. Trayvon must have hopped up on some glowing purple drank to throw down that fast. That and I don't like that he refused medical treatment at the time or that he waived the stand your ground defense.

But I don't believe he set out to deliberately shoot a black kid to death that night. No way.



He could have pushed him then proceeded to get overwhelmed. He may have really been a horrible fighter if he couldn't manage to push the lightweight Martin off and away him.



He's not a mad dog like you! Could have taken a few hits... but 25 in less than 2 minutes? Damn! Meanwhile Zimmerman was bloat like a butterball, sting like a flea. If Trayvon really was that nasty, it's too bad George wasn't a better fighter... Trayvon might have disengaged.

You ever watch mixed martial arts? If Trayvon Martin really did practice mixed martial arts like this video suggest then I can believe that he was "grounding and pounding" on Zimmerman.

Or, the story went down exactly like Zimmerman says it did and he didn't provoke Martin at all. He did pass a lie detector test. Anyone who cared about living would do the same thing Zimmerman did if they were put in his position. The fight for survival is one of the most primal instincts. Whether it be a rock or stick laying within your reach or a gun that someone is lawfully carrying. If you fear you are going to die you have a right to defend yourself.

 

[Frank]

You ever watch mixed martial arts? If Trayvon Martin really did practice mixed martial arts like this video suggest then I can believe that he was "grounding and pounding" on Zimmerman.

Or, the story went down exactly like Zimmerman says it did and he didn't provoke Martin at all. He did pass a lie detector test. Anyone who cared about living would do the same thing Zimmerman did if they were put in his position. The fight for survival is one of the most primal instincts. Whether it be a rock or stick laying within your reach or a gun that someone is lawfully carrying. If you fear you are going to die you have a right to defend yourself.

Let's just say I have some reasonable doubt that Trayvon could have done all that in the time that he did while at the same time Zimmerman, who also recieved MMA training, was tossed around like a ragdoll. It's also true his trainer called him a bad fighter... Which just kind of irks me to start that he took on the neighborhood watch thing in the first place with that in mind. But anyway I'm open to the possibility that it mostly went along Zimmerman's account, there's just a few things that feel more CYA in court than I'd like.

 

[devilof76]

What I learned last night was that Zimmerman was not on neighborhood watch patrol that night. He would not have been carrying a gun if he had, because they aren't allowed to in that neighborhood. He was driving to the store when he noticed someone wandering behind houses, acting suspiciously. he pulled over, called 911 and they told him to let them know if the kid did anything else. Then Martin started running. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he could see where he went, Zimmerman got out of the car, walked about 200 feet, and said that he lost him. That was when the dispatcher asked if he was follwing the suspect. Zimmerman said he was, they said "we don't need you to do that," and he said, "Ok." Returned to vehicle. Martin was waiting for him.

"You got a problem?"
"No."
"Well you do now."

Then he was attacked. He didn't decide that his life was in danger until Martin saw his gun and told him he was "gonna die tonight."

Getting his head smacked on the curb 25 times seems like an exaggeration, for sure. I read that the police record states he called for help 14 times in 38 seconds (not sure how they arrived at that number).

Is cellphone GPS tech precise enough to track movements within that small of an area? I'd think that would go a long way towards corroborating everything. The fact that Martin sought out the confrontation turns the entire prosecution case on its head.

 

[The Ween]

One of the jurors was on one of those news programs (Nightline ?) tonight. I read part of what she was going to say and I really didn't want to watch it.

 

[devilof76]

...what was she going to say?

 

[Frank]

I think the blurb was "he got away with murder."

 

[The Ween]

...what was she going to say?

https://madamenoire.com/288072/i-le...shes-still-haunted-by-the-not-guilty-verdict/

 

[devilof76]

****ing moron doesn't even know what murder is.

That should help clarify things for the rest of the morons.

 

[devilof76]

Turns out the lean angle on Skittles and Arizona watermelon energy drink was no joke. Martin's autopsy revealed signs of liver damage consistent with codeine abuse. There are also text messages on his phone that support the theory.

And how is this thread still open? Weren't there a bunch of people who got the first one locked?

 

[Darkmatter]

Turns out the lean angle on Skittles and Arizona watermelon energy drink was no joke. Martin's autopsy revealed signs of liver damage consistent with codeine abuse. There are also text messages on his phone that support the theory.

And how is this thread still open? Weren't there a bunch of people who got the first one locked?

it's still open because people are discussing in a rational and mature manner. opinions may differ but people are respecting each other. that's what discussion should be. everyone has lent valid information and i'm glad people like the ones in this thread still exist on the internet. KUDOS to all!!!!

 

[The Ween]

Turns out the lean angle on Skittles and Arizona watermelon energy drink was no joke. Martin's autopsy revealed signs of liver damage consistent with codeine abuse. There are also text messages on his phone that support the theory.

And how is this thread still open? Weren't there a bunch of people who got the first one locked?

It's open because it's in the Sandbox and certain people haven't discovered it yet.

Juror B37, I have a feeling, is going to be the juror to take the most heat. Just because of the Maddy juror's comments, some are saying B37 bullied some of the others to vote not guilty.

As for the lean, it was suppressed for this trial, but if they go to civil court, all this stuff will come out along with his Facebook pages and tweets.

 

[Devil_666]

As far as who started the confrontation, Zimmerman had injuries while Trayon did not. Besides the gunshot so if Zimmerman attacked him first why didn't Trayvon had any injuries?

Maybe because Trayvon could fight and Zimmy couldn't.

You don't have to actually be hit/damaged to be attacked. If you swing on someone and miss and then get your *** beat, that person would be 100% correct in saying that you attacked them first and they simply reacted/defended themselves.

As far as the whole case, I don't have an opinion because I didn't follow it/didn't care. So meh..

 

[The Ween]

Maybe because Trayvon could fight and Zimmy couldn't.

You don't have to actually be hit/damaged to be attacked. If you swing on someone and miss and then get your *** beat, that person would be 100% correct in saying that you attacked them first and they simply reacted/defended themselves.

As far as the whole case, I don't have an opinion because I didn't follow it/didn't care. So meh..

I told some people on my Facebook gaming page that I wasn't there, didn't witness it, so I couldn't judge it. I was called a racist and "typical".

 

[Darkmatter]

Juror B37, I have a feeling, is going to be the juror to take the most heat. Just because of the Maddy juror's comments, some are saying B37 bullied some of the others to vote not guilty.

As for the lean, it was suppressed for this trial, but if they go to civil court, all this stuff will come out along with his Facebook pages and tweets.

part of the judicial process in deciding a verdict is to discuss the options and get all jurors to vote unanimously. the jury went into deliberations with 3 not guilty votes, 1 for manslaughter, and 2 for murder 2. they then discussed the evidence and the way the law reads and even asked the definition of manslaughter. convincing someone to side with the unanimous vote is part of the judicial process. saying bullying to change the vote is ridiculous and those people obviously didn't like the verdict.

and you are 100% correct about the civil trial. that's why it will never be filed.