purple drank or lean???

[Frank]

I've been involved in martial arts for almost thirty years. I own my own school and teach full time for a living.
The idea you can think clearly under those conditions is completely ludicrous. Unless you are a regularly training in high intensity martial arts you will likely be in the grip of an adrenaline rush and not capable of assessing how much trouble you are in. Furthermore, I don't know if anyone here has ever had their nose broken. Mine has been broken 7 times (only once since I started training) and the first thing you notice is that you can't see.
The idea of someone who has just been punched in the face needs to assess the vital statistics of his attacker before responding is beyond stupid.

It's not ludicrous, I've been in some pretty bad dust ups. You don't necessarily turn into some mindless rage monster, in fact the adrenaline pumping through your system enables you to think and move more quickly. If you really don't want to fight someone, you make moves designed to deflect the attack, or if you're stronger or more skilled, you might try to immobilize them. Otherwise, you run. I'm not talking vital statistics.

Now as far as I know, George didn't have any bruising on his arms indicating he was trying to block one of the 25 shots coming his way. He had just one cut on a fractured nose that apparently slipped by the paramedics on the scene. He had just two cuts on the back of his head which required no stitches.

I have heard many people say that Zimmerman should have done this or done that. I ask these people how many times have you experienced violence? How many times have you had someone pounding the hell out of you on a dark rainy night by someone you suspect is potentially dangerous. I also ask them that if their son/husband/brother/father were on the ground being pummeled how much of such punishment are they supposed to take before responding?

"Pounding the hell out" of has been effectively ruled out in my mind, but to each his own. You've got a family physician who says fractured nose and two black eyes but paramedics who act like the wounds aren't very severe then you have the Jacksonville examiner who said the photos indicated they were "insignificant". The photos themselves show no evidence of swelling around the eyes. The important thing here is since we're talking about George's "feelings" why he didn't feel the need to go to a doctor until he needed a note to go back to work and reported no dizziness or blurred vision. If he had lost his vision, he never mentioned it.

Now since you're here I'd like to pick your brain for a sec. You've got a ton of fighting experience and knowledge, have you ever seen black eyes without any swelling occuring in the first few hours? I know the discoloration can take awhile, but wouldn't swelling set in within a few minutes? We can see it on his nose, why not the eyes? Honest question.

 

[toylion]

Why are people still talking about this. The trial is over. Stop trying it all over again on the internet.

 

[Frank]

Why are people still talking about this. The trial is over. Stop trying it all over again on the internet.

It's turned out to be an interesting case with no small amount of ramifications. I see no problem as long as we can remain calm.

 

[Darkmatter]

Look at where Zimmerman is indicating he had the gun, on the backside of his right hip and inside the waistband. Was his shirt and jacket hiked up so as to make it obvious he had a gun? To me it would make much more sense if Trayvon found out about the gun as his leg bumped up against it, but Zimmerman would still have to get around the kid's leg and under his own shirt/jacket to get the gun.

not sure what you're getting at frank. you're trying to make a case out of something that just isn't there. the gun was pulled with zimmerman on his back. he got there because trayvon decked him. zimmerman was within his legal rights to defend himself with lethal force. these are FACTS frank! and that's why he was acquitted. at least now we all know how conspiracy theory works. nice demonstration.

 

[CelticPredator]

 

[toylion]

not sure what you're getting at frank. you're trying to make a case out of something that just isn't there. the gun was pulled with zimmerman on his back. he got there because trayvon decked him. zimmerman was within his legal rights to defend himself with lethal force. these are FACTS frank! and that's why he was acquitted. at least now we all know how conspiracy theory works. nice demonstration.

 

[CelticPredator]

 

[toylion]

 

[The Ween]

What's with all the candy in it though? Hell, just drink the Robotussin down straight.

Those *******s are going to make me have to get my cough medicine in behind the counter soon.

They haven't discovered Tylenol Cold liquid yet. The nighttime kind knocks me right out!

 

[Frank]

not sure what you're getting at frank. you're trying to make a case out of something that just isn't there. the gun was pulled with zimmerman on his back. he got there because trayvon decked him. zimmerman was within his legal rights to defend himself with lethal force. these are FACTS frank! and that's why he was acquitted. at least now we all know how conspiracy theory works. nice demonstration.

Devil's in the details Darkmatter. His statements about how exactly it went down suggest some amount of exaggeration or outright fabrication. You are 100% sold on the defense's position and the verdict and that's okay but I'd recommend not getting emotional when someone raises a few issues. I'm glad you read my walls of text though, 10 internet stars for you!



I'm learning as I go here so bear with me. I didn't follow the trial all that closely as it was going on. Honestly I was blown away by Dr. Di Maio just like everyone else. I too agreed with the verdict as far as murder went. After the trial was over I started to see the tired old race card automatically assigned to all non-blacks like a penalty in a soccer match or something. So I'm still looking over trial and trying to be put my finger on what went wrong. Then I see this thread and thought I'd throw out what I had been thinking.

Some will take offense that I'm reviewing the trial in a way that doesn't exactly gel with the verdict. I wish I could apologize for it, but this thread started because more relevant and interesting information is still coming in about the case. I'm not asking to put cuffs on Zimmerman and I'm not asking to retry him (couldn't if I tried). If we're okay about draggin Trayvon's character out into the light, Zimmerman should be no different. Many of you are convinced because a few points seemingly match up with Zimmerman's story means that there couldn't possibly be any other interpretation other than the one he put forward. Human memory is a very unreliable thing and Zimmerman's scenario really could have used more eyes.

[ame]https://youtu.be/uHyIpO43NRg[/ame]


If you want to pretend everyone should just stop analyzing the case simply because it's over and you don't want to hear it, then what are you doing in the "purple drank" thread? Right!

 

[CelticPredator]

 

[crows]

guy shoots 14 year old for standing near his car, says he thought it was an intruder:

https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/07/marigny_homeowner_booked_after.html

This is bad. This is actually really bad and I hope this guy pays for this.
The last thing we need is people shooting teenagers because of "self defense" laws....

 

[CelticPredator]

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[crows]

 

[toylion]

guy shoots 14 year old for standing near his car, says he thought it was an intruder:

https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/07/marigny_homeowner_booked_after.html

This is bad. This is actually really bad and I hope this guy pays for this.
The last thing we need is people shooting teenagers because of "self defense" laws....

I read the whole article, and you left out the part about the two 'teenagers' riding around at 8:00 PM casing houses, returning at 1:30 AM climbing over the mans fence. He had a pregnant wife and child in the house. His dog started barking and alerted him to the intruder. Yes, he was an intruder, as he entered private property in the middle of the night, regardless of his age. A 14 year old has no business being out at that time, or in someones else property.
Should he have shot him, no. Unless they enter the house, you don't shoot anyone. That was the man mistake.

Charles Hazouri, a friend who owns property near the 700 block of Mandeville Street, where the shooting happened, said his surveillance cameras captured two juveniles riding BMX bikes up and down Mandeville and Dauphine streets around 1:44 a.m. One of the teens was wearing a blue tank top with white stripes; the other was wearing a light-colored T-shirt, Hazouri said.

Earlier in the evening, a different neighbor said, the teen in the blue tank top had been biking around the area around 8 p.m. and the neighbor believed he was looking at different houses.

 

[Maglor]

Frank, I admire your critical thinking, and you have made your case well, but it will not sway anyone. There is a philosophical disconnect here that cannot be bridged.

This post should make that clear:

Better yet, how much of a beating are you required to take to in order to spare the life of the person beating you?

Devil, that should be taken as a compliment, not a criticism. I've said it before: you are a true artist with the English language. That one question sums up that your side of the debate very clearly.

 

[crows]

I read the whole article, and you left out the part about the two 'teenagers' riding around at 8:00 PM casing houses, returning at 1:30 AM climbing over the mans fence. He had a pregnant wife and child in the house. His dog started barking and alerted him to the intruder. Yes, he was an intruder, as he entered private property in the middle of the night, regardless of his age. A 14 year old has no business being out at that time, or in someones else property.
Should he have shot him, no. Unless they enter the house, you don't shoot anyone. That was the man mistake.

so he had the right to shoot?

I didn't read this article but I was watching a youtube video about it. This was the article they had as the source so I posted it.
(I didn't want to post the youtube video) So I didn't know about that. lol

 

[toylion]

so he had the right to shoot?

I didn't read this article but I was watching a youtube video about it. This was the article they had as the source so I posted it.
(I didn't want to post the youtube video) So I didn't know about that. lol

If the intruder would have entered the house he does. As he shot the boy outside his home, he will be charged.

My point was you wanted the man 'to pay' for what he did, without even reading what had actually happened. Lynch mob mentality. Everyone want to make people pay without even a trial, and even after one, still want to string someone up.

Don't get me wrong, not trying to attack you, just tired of all this quick to jump to judgement we get from the media and people who only have half the facts.

You can see the young man had to jump the fence to enter the property. He wasn't selling girl scout cookies.

 

[toylion]

This man has a very interesting view point on the shooting. Please watch the whole video.
[ame]https://youtu.be/aNVxnhHBSXE[/ame]

 

[crows]

If the intruder would have entered the house he does. As he shot the boy outside his home, he will be charged.

My point was you wanted the man 'to pay' for what he did, without even reading what had actually happened. Lynch mob mentality. Everyone want to make people pay without even a trial, and even after one, still want to string someone up.

Don't get me wrong, not trying to attack you, just tired of all this quick to jump to judgement we get from the media and people who only have half the facts.

You can see the young man had to jump the fence to enter the property. He wasn't selling girl scout cookies.

yeah that's why I used the smiley....