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It was Hess' own house where the party was. It was in his garage. He must be a very sound sleeper.
You might be confusing Kind and Hess.
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Well, god help the poor child you might blow away because he's drunk and scared.
I'm just saying. Perhaps assess the situation before you're ready to extract lethal force.
Celtic, you don't live where some of these people do. I don't either, but I'll tell you, people are scared these days. Take the time to assess the situation and you may not live long enough to decide whether the person in garage is friendly or not.
That's why I'm all for curfews for teenagers now. Keep your *** at home. There's no need for young kids to be out at 2am or whatever.
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I thought he was outside in the backyard?
But regardless....yeah, if you live in a high crime area, sure. I just figured all these stories were set in suburban safe neighborhoods, because it made the news.
Nothing too special about someone getting shot in a ****ty neighborhood.
But regardless....yeah, if you live in a high crime area, sure. I just figured all these stories were set in suburban safe neighborhoods, because it made the news.
Nothing too special about someone getting shot in a ****ty neighborhood.
Kibishii
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God help the poor child? Are you fricking kidding me?
The man shot was in his 20's with a history of legal problems. What if he was an armed robber? Or someone with a knife tweaked out on drugs? Or a psychopath like the Night Stalker? Or someone trying to kidnap one of my kids? Or a "drunk & scared" 20+ "child" who decided that he would rather attack me than have me call the cops and he get caught?
Me "assessing" the situation is that it is (a) late at night, (b) there is someone ON MY PATIO hiding, and (c) I have my family to protect. Maybe it would have been better for me to ask multiple questions while I am "assessing" and the guy shoot me because he is drunk & scared.
It is a tragedy that this young man is dead, but his death is his own fault.
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Where do you live?
Kibishii
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Just East of San Bernardino, California where crime is crazy high; but honestly, that is irrelevant. People get killed, raped, assaulted, and robbed everywhere.
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Well I understand then sir.
AllisonAmy
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No offense, but I don't think there really is such a thing as a suburban safe neighborhood. I am on 5 acres in the county and my home has been broken into twice. The second time was after we had a security system installed. Thankfully, we weren't home either time. It seems that a lot of child abductions happen in suburban "safe" neighborhoods.
People don't need to be paranoid, just aware and not walk around with their head in the clouds. I know kids do stupid things, but it wouldn't hurt if a parent or legal guardian could impress upon them that their dumb actions can potentially have unexpected, dire consequences.
People don't need to be paranoid, just aware and not walk around with their head in the clouds. I know kids do stupid things, but it wouldn't hurt if a parent or legal guardian could impress upon them that their dumb actions can potentially have unexpected, dire consequences.
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We can argue this all night, but I feel like there needs to be concrete evidence that this person will harm me before I decide to take a life. It could be too late. Or it could not. But it would be very hard to live with the fact I just killed someone who didn't actually deserve it. But that's me.
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toylion
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Have you ever come face to face with an intruder? I have, and let me tell you, a whole array of emotion over take you in seconds. Confusion, fear, anger and survival. There's very little time for lights and thinking about 'concrete evidence'.
I thought about sharing what happen to my family in me on June 23, 2013. But haven't till now. A day hasn't passed that that night hasn't haunted me or my sister. And what could happened. It all happened in a matter of seconds. Give me a moment to gather my thoughts.
Uncanny Web-Slinger
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Interesting. This man however does what he's condemning. He focuses only on the positives of one and negatives of another, he just switched those involved.
Who was in the pics at the end, who was he refering to?
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Hm. I have not sir, no. I live in a pretty safe place. Probably why my view point is this way. And you don't have too if you don't wish too. I understand. Believe me. I really do.
It's just, I have a hard time going with this situation because I was a kid not too long ago, and I did things just like that. So there's a personal fear inside me going "What if." I also have a little brother, who is now a teenager. He WILL be doing those things. So it just freaks me out.
When it comes to home intruders, I wouldn't give it a second thought. I would probably go into some strange mode, where i'm having many different emotions at once and acting on natural instincts.
toylion
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June 23, 2013 Sunday, I had had a few beers and had gone to bed early because I had to be up for work at 4:30 AM.
I've been stay with my sister for a few months now as it's closer to work. At 10:30 PM the restroom called, and then I fell back to sleep. At 11:00 PM I was awaken by my sister's blood curdling scream. She seemed to be scream for a long time and was calling my name, "POLO, POLO!" (that's what my family calls me)I jumped out of bed in my boxer brief and out of the bedroom. My sister's room is just outside mine to the left caddy corner, at the top of the stairs. Thinking she and her live in boyfriend may have been fight, I stood at the top of the stairs and looked down at the two of them at the bottom of the stairs.
Still half asleep, trying to figure what whats going on. I saw my sisters BF holding by the shoulders shaking her say, "Crazy lady, there's no one in your room, you're having a nightmare". She's still yelling at the top of her lungs, and as soon as I hear her shriek, "There's a man in my room". I look to my left into her room as a young Mexican man about 6' tall and slim walk out totally nude. I'm taken aback and time seemed to slow down as I tried to assimilate the whole thing. I see broken glass and the sliding glass door to the balcony broken. He casually looks at me then down the stairs as if to see what all the yelling is about. And if as it finally registers I yell, "What the F$#@! What the F$#@ are you doing here! Get the F$#@ out! He then proceed to take a swing at me, which I duck by pulling back. I then punch him and he runs back into the bedroom, trying to pick up a long shiny silver weapon. I immediately jump on him pushing down before he can bring it up. Just then my sisters BF comes into the room with a golf club he had been holding as he watched golf on TV. Yells at me, "Move Polo, I going to hit the MF. As he takes a swing I shout, "I'm going to get my gun!" That's all it took to get him to run into the night.
Fortunately or unfortunately, living in Temple City, I felt safe enough to keep my pistol locked and unloaded, so it took me awhile to unlock it and load it. BF kept yell for me to hurry up, and fearing he was in danger I just grabbed a ball peen hammer and ran back into the room. That's when he informed me the intruder was gone.
My sister was traumatized, but had called the police(sheriffs) It took them two hours to finally come to the apartment to take a report, because others had called them earlier and after the incident. He had broken into a neighbor's across the street. He was apprehended that night.
Now I said it was fortunate or unfortunate that my weapon wasn't ready for use. That's because after the incident there was time for thinking of all the ramifications of what may have happened if I had shot him. Also the fact that the incident made both my sister and me think of Richard Ramirez, The Night Stalker.
What made my sister aware of this man's presents? It was her cat. The cat knew someone was on the balcony, and keep looking at the sliding glass doors. She then jumped off the bed and split the vertical bind open with her head. My sister got up to see what she was looking at, and saw the naked man just lying down by the doors. Must of been waiting for her to fall asleep, she was reading. Maybe thought she lived alone as her BF was downstairs watching TV. Who know what could of happen if she had falling asleep. What with be sleeping off a few beers, what might have happened to us all.
That's one night I will never forget.
I tell you one thing, my pistol is now alway loaded and within reach. This was this nut jobs second arrest for the same thing. He was just deported the first time and who know what they will do with him this time. But if he decides to return, I'm shooting first and worry about ramification later.
Some have asked me why didn't I hold him for the police. One he was naked, two there was broken glass everywhere. I wasn't about to wrestle a naked man on top of broken glass in by briefs. Three, I just wanted him out of the house. Maybe if I had had my weapon ready and he put up his hands, I may have held him at gunpoint for the police. But whos to say how he would have reacted. May have lunged at me.
I've been stay with my sister for a few months now as it's closer to work. At 10:30 PM the restroom called, and then I fell back to sleep. At 11:00 PM I was awaken by my sister's blood curdling scream. She seemed to be scream for a long time and was calling my name, "POLO, POLO!" (that's what my family calls me)I jumped out of bed in my boxer brief and out of the bedroom. My sister's room is just outside mine to the left caddy corner, at the top of the stairs. Thinking she and her live in boyfriend may have been fight, I stood at the top of the stairs and looked down at the two of them at the bottom of the stairs.
Still half asleep, trying to figure what whats going on. I saw my sisters BF holding by the shoulders shaking her say, "Crazy lady, there's no one in your room, you're having a nightmare". She's still yelling at the top of her lungs, and as soon as I hear her shriek, "There's a man in my room". I look to my left into her room as a young Mexican man about 6' tall and slim walk out totally nude. I'm taken aback and time seemed to slow down as I tried to assimilate the whole thing. I see broken glass and the sliding glass door to the balcony broken. He casually looks at me then down the stairs as if to see what all the yelling is about. And if as it finally registers I yell, "What the F$#@! What the F$#@ are you doing here! Get the F$#@ out! He then proceed to take a swing at me, which I duck by pulling back. I then punch him and he runs back into the bedroom, trying to pick up a long shiny silver weapon. I immediately jump on him pushing down before he can bring it up. Just then my sisters BF comes into the room with a golf club he had been holding as he watched golf on TV. Yells at me, "Move Polo, I going to hit the MF. As he takes a swing I shout, "I'm going to get my gun!" That's all it took to get him to run into the night.
Fortunately or unfortunately, living in Temple City, I felt safe enough to keep my pistol locked and unloaded, so it took me awhile to unlock it and load it. BF kept yell for me to hurry up, and fearing he was in danger I just grabbed a ball peen hammer and ran back into the room. That's when he informed me the intruder was gone.
My sister was traumatized, but had called the police(sheriffs) It took them two hours to finally come to the apartment to take a report, because others had called them earlier and after the incident. He had broken into a neighbor's across the street. He was apprehended that night.
Now I said it was fortunate or unfortunate that my weapon wasn't ready for use. That's because after the incident there was time for thinking of all the ramifications of what may have happened if I had shot him. Also the fact that the incident made both my sister and me think of Richard Ramirez, The Night Stalker.
What made my sister aware of this man's presents? It was her cat. The cat knew someone was on the balcony, and keep looking at the sliding glass doors. She then jumped off the bed and split the vertical bind open with her head. My sister got up to see what she was looking at, and saw the naked man just lying down by the doors. Must of been waiting for her to fall asleep, she was reading. Maybe thought she lived alone as her BF was downstairs watching TV. Who know what could of happen if she had falling asleep. What with be sleeping off a few beers, what might have happened to us all.
That's one night I will never forget.
I tell you one thing, my pistol is now alway loaded and within reach. This was this nut jobs second arrest for the same thing. He was just deported the first time and who know what they will do with him this time. But if he decides to return, I'm shooting first and worry about ramification later.
Some have asked me why didn't I hold him for the police. One he was naked, two there was broken glass everywhere. I wasn't about to wrestle a naked man on top of broken glass in by briefs. Three, I just wanted him out of the house. Maybe if I had had my weapon ready and he put up his hands, I may have held him at gunpoint for the police. But whos to say how he would have reacted. May have lunged at me.
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Aw christ man....i'm sorry. That's ****ing horrible. I don't blame you at all. Hell, I wouldn't have blamed you for shooting the guy.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
toylion
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Aw christ man....i'm sorry. That's ****ing horrible. I don't blame you at all. Hell, I wouldn't have blamed you for shooting the guy.
I'm so sorry.
Thank you. It's so violating. You don't go to sleep so easily anymore.
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I probably wouldn't either.
I hope someone got him. For your's and everyone's sake.
I hope someone got him. For your's and everyone's sake.
Sadly I see that more and more teens today do not think about their actions and the consequences they will have.
Seems like a lot of young people today live with a "day to day" mentality. Like, "Nothing matters except the present, who cares about the future" type of mindset.
At least sometimes it seems that way. Of course not everyone thinks like that, but since parents cannot really punish their kids for bad behavior anymore then maybe they don't think their actions will have negative consequences...
It is hard to think about because some of us have felt safe our whole life.
I think some people never have to deal with this kind of situation, so it is hard to say how you would react.
It is like the safety of our environment shelters us into thinking that nothing bad can ever happen.
You live your life long enough that way and you cannot see yourself shooting someone for breaking into your house (Or own a gun even. I don't think I will ever hold a gun with my hands.. I just don't see it happening)
I read Toylion's story and I don't know what I would have done. Obviously you fight the guy, but what do you do if he has a gun or a knife? How can you fight someone that has a knife with your bare hands? And, even if you have a weapon, how can you measure your own strength in a moment of panic? how can you make sure you don't kill the guy by hitting him too hard?
Just very difficult to think when you have never experience anything like that. Something that always makes me wonder.
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The only thing I was talking about was the kid outside in the backyard. That's where I get nervous. Because kids will do whatever they can to protect themselves from the cops.
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