purple drank or lean???

[toylion]

yeah that's why I used the smiley....

I know.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm glad i'm not a teenager any more. We used to roam the streets late at night. Hell, once I ran from the cops and had to hide behind someone's house.

What a horrible twist of fate would that have been if I ended up near some scared guy with a gun.....:

 

[crows]

I'm glad i'm not a teenager any more. We used to roam the streets late at night. Hell, once I ran from the cops and had to hide behind someone's house.

What a horrible twist of fate would that have been if I ended up near some scared guy with a gun.....:

That is something that crossed my mind as well.

 

[toylion]

Why he shouldn't have shot him outside his home.

[ame]https://youtu.be/tnhJAawZFeI[/ame]

 

[toylion]

I'm glad i'm not a teenager any more. We used to roam the streets late at night. Hell, once I ran from the cops and had to hide behind someone's house.

What a horrible twist of fate would that have been if I ended up near some scared guy with a gun.....:

Same thing happened to me when I was 18 years old. But it was around 10:00 PM. We were hang out in an empty lot and the police rolled up so we ran. Jump over a fence and the homeowner came out very angry. I explained why we were trying to cut through his property and his wife said let us pass. Don't know what might have happened if he had a gun.

 

[Frank]

Frank, I admire your critical thinking, and you have made your case well, but it will not sway anyone. There is a philosophical disconnect here that cannot be bridged.

This post should make that clear:

Devil, that should be taken as a compliment, not a criticism. I've said it before: you are a true artist with the English language. That one question sums up that your side of the debate very clearly.

I think there are enough inconsistencies about Zimmerman's account to cast a shadow over the entire story. Zimmerman was a proven hothead, a man who gets out of his car with a gun in pursuit of a kid actively running away from him. His videotaped police walkthrough is pretty damning with all the errors. The timing and positioning, the added details w/o evidence. We still have no objective way of knowing who started this fight, but once a scenario gets into the imagination it can be hard to change up.

Trayvon didn't have to be an angel when Zimmerman caught up with him that night. It all comes down to who initiated the confrontation and all we have are the words of a man who comes off to me as something of a liar. Sometimes that's how it breaks.

From one angle this entire situation is kinda loopy. You've heard it before. That an armed adult can follow a kid home at night, get into an altercation and kill him and simply say he felt threatened... what about the kid who was confirmed running away from him? The wounds he sustained just don't justify lethal force either. One punch can kill, one drink can kill but if that were anywhere close to a legal standard then every fistfight is attempted murder and every drink is attempted suicide regardless of intent or effect. If there was a change to the SYG law it might be to add some objective qualifiers.

The verdict will necessarily keep many from wanting to look any further, but for those who do there's plenty to discuss.

 

[Darkmatter]

guy shoots 14 year old for standing near his car, says he thought it was an intruder:

https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/07/marigny_homeowner_booked_after.html

This is bad. This is actually really bad and I hope this guy pays for this.
The last thing we need is people shooting teenagers because of "self defense" laws....

self defense laws are there for just that...self defense. without us knowing all the facts, it's hard to pass judgement. hopefully the courts will sort it out.

 

[Darkmatter]

If the intruder would have entered the house he does. As he shot the boy outside his home, he will be charged.

My point was you wanted the man 'to pay' for what he did, without even reading what had actually happened. Lynch mob mentality. Everyone want to make people pay without even a trial, and even after one, still want to string someone up.

Don't get me wrong, not trying to attack you, just tired of all this quick to jump to judgement we get from the media and people who only have half the facts.

You can see the young man had to jump the fence to enter the property. He wasn't selling girl scout cookies.

yet if he had a sign posted 'no trespassing. violators will be shot', would he have been arrested?

 

[Anzik]

It's not ludicrous, I've been in some pretty bad dust ups. You don't necessarily turn into some mindless rage monster, in fact the adrenaline pumping through your system enables you to think and move more quickly. If you really don't want to fight someone, you make moves designed to deflect the attack, or if you're stronger or more skilled, you might try to immobilize them. Otherwise, you run. I'm not talking vital statistics.

Now as far as I know, George didn't have any bruising on his arms indicating he was trying to block one of the 25 shots coming his way. He had just one cut on a fractured nose that apparently slipped by the paramedics on the scene. He had just two cuts on the back of his head which required no stitches.



"Pounding the hell out" of has been effectively ruled out in my mind, but to each his own. You've got a family physician who says fractured nose and two black eyes but paramedics who act like the wounds aren't very severe then you have the Jacksonville examiner who said the photos indicated they were "insignificant". The photos themselves show no evidence of swelling around the eyes. The important thing here is since we're talking about George's "feelings" why he didn't feel the need to go to a doctor until he needed a note to go back to work and reported no dizziness or blurred vision. If he had lost his vision, he never mentioned it.

Now since you're here I'd like to pick your brain for a sec. You've got a ton of fighting experience and knowledge, have you ever seen black eyes without any swelling occuring in the first few hours? I know the discoloration can take awhile, but wouldn't swelling set in within a few minutes? We can see it on his nose, why not the eyes? Honest question.

The photos posted show him after he has received medical attention. there are others at the scene where he looks worse.
I'm right outside of Philly and things are pretty rough. I think its very short sighted to assume your attacker will stop when he has deemed you have been beaten enough.
There is also a map of the area that was featured in the trial that indicates that if Martin was honest with his friend on the phone when he said he was in his fathers backyard then he had to go back and confront him for the incident to occur where it did.
Also worth indicating is that the way people remember things can never be as they actually happen but Zimmermans account seems relatively reasonable accounting. If he was the trigger happy loon Martin would have had a full mag unloaded into his chest instead of one round.
From what I have seen Martin had no real training in MMA and may not have been capable of causing great damage, but it would have been impossible for GZ to ascertain this, he just knew he was getting hit.
We go to airports and are told to be vigilant. If someone noted the abandoned gym bag the Boston marathon may have been different and we have a national night out to make people aware of their neighborhoods, now we are saying he had no business doing so.
It seems implausible to me that the smaller man with the gun holstered through the first punch. It seems implausible to me that an irrational hothead would have called the police and stayed on the phone. It seems implausible to me that the person winning the fight would be calling for help.
This is a tragic series of bad decisions, but there needs to be uniformity in this. If Zimmerman were a woman we wouldn't have this debate. This is Monday morning quarterbacking and I think we should look at this and examine options so we can avoid the same mistakes. Bottom line, no matter how bad you think you are, someone may be badder. No matter how bad you think you are, a bullet is the baddest.

 

[Maglor]

I'm glad i'm not a teenager any more. We used to roam the streets late at night. Hell, once I ran from the cops and had to hide behind someone's house.

What a horrible twist of fate would that have been if I ended up near some scared guy with a gun.....:

Indeed.


https://www.jsonline.com/news/ozwas...e-nearby-before-firing-5s4n7e0-144120795.html

 

[CelticPredator]

That's a horrible, horrible story.

 

[The Ween]

People are just plain scared, and they have every right to be. And these days no one should be out running around that late at night....no one, because you just don't know what will happen.

 

[CelticPredator]

I disagree. No one should be barring weapons when ever they hear a creak around the house. That's stupid and irresponsible.

 

[The Ween]

I disagree. No one should be barring weapons when ever they hear a creak around the house. That's stupid and irresponsible.

Wait till you're married with kids.

 

[CelticPredator]

When it comes to having the power to take a life, you should really assess the situation first.

Unless they enter your house. That's a different story.

 

[Darkmatter]

I disagree. No one should be barring weapons when ever they hear a creak around the house. That's stupid and irresponsible.

ever read the constitutional amendments? the right to bear arms is number two and for a great reason. people have a right to defend themselves and to prevent their government from oppression. especially today with vigilante justice and all that the media incites. maybe if murderers, rapists and thieves knew everyone was packing, they wouldn't jump in people's yards with the intend to steal, vandalize or even worse. an armed society is a polite society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

[The Ween]

When it comes to having the power to take a life, you should really assess the situation first.

Unless they enter your house. That's a different story.

Actually, someone shouldn't be hanging around a person's property in the middle of the night. There's sidewalks to walk on and roads as well. These are the days we live in now. Too many scary things going on.

 

[devilof76]

Devil, that should be taken as a compliment, not a criticism. I've said it before: you are a true artist with the English language. That one question sums up that your side of the debate very clearly.

Thanks Maglor. I'm humbled.

 

[Vitus]

Same thing happened to me when I was 18 years old. But it was around 10:00 PM. We were hang out in an empty lot and the police rolled up so we ran. Jump over a fence and the homeowner came out very angry. I explained why we were trying to cut through his property and his wife said let us pass. Don't know what might have happened if he had a gun.

Yeah with kids and such anyone hopping my fence is not going to get a warm welcome. Glad I'm not a teenager anymore.

 

[Kibishii]

I disagree. No one should be barring weapons when ever they hear a creak around the house. That's stupid and irresponsible.

I will preface this by saying that Hess was an idiot for going to the partying neighbors garage and "kicking the door in."

That said, if it is late at night and I hear banging ON MY BACK PORCH and my wife and kids are in bed, you are damn right I am going to get my gun and go check it out. If I see said person 'raise their hand', I am going to shoot first. Especially considering that the partying neighbors were clearly drinking and smoking pot and could very easily be coming to retaliate for the cops being called earlier.