Rainman Artwork 2013 Pulp Fiction Project 2- Jules the Shepard

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I still feel what I said earlier has some relevance RM needs to do a figure he truly wants to do and he needs to do it his way :). I am truly hoping Bickle is that figure :pray:
I would love to see that, even if it wasn't something he did all the time. Even with character choices he seems to do what others convince him to do every time out now. Taking that focus, we would never see something like Stuart Little or Audrey Hepburn.
 
I would love to see that, even if it wasn't something he did all the time. Even with character choices he seems to do what others convince him to do every time out now. From that POV, we would never see something like Stuart Little or Audrey Hepburn.

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I would love to see that, even if it wasn't something he did all the time. Even with character choices he seems to do what others convince him to do every time out now. Taking that focus, we would never see something like Stuart Little or Audrey Hepburn.

Yea I think the PF boys where a little rushed maybe not the same love put into them (not that I am trying to question Rainman's motivation) I could be wrong the way these have turned out could just be the way they'd have turned out regardless of how long Rainman spent on them. I'd just love to see him do a figure HE picks no suggestions no whispering in his ear just a fig he can really sink his teeth into. I think the results would be exceptional once again back to the levels of Bill and the Dude. Just my thoughts lol
 
fraking earwhisperers. It's like making a movie or tv show by focus group. :thwak
 
Yea I think the PF boys where a little rushed maybe not the same love put into them (not that I am trying to question Rainman's motivation) I could be wrong the way these have turned out could just be the way they'd have turned out regardless of how long Rainman spent on them. I'd just love to see him do a figure HE picks no suggestions no whispering in his ear just a fig he can really sink his teeth into. I think the results would be exceptional once again back to the levels of Bill and the Dude. Just my thoughts lol

Cause Bill and The Dude weren't recommended right? :lol
 
suggestions are one thing, thumbs on the scale another.

much goes on off board for awhile now. gone are the RM salad days.
 
Rainman has conveyed his feelings to me about this issue. He tried his best to acquire bodies that his customers wouldn't deem too "cheap". He pleaded with a few connections and was blessed by Enterbay with 30 bodies.

He told me these bodies couldn't be modified majorly cause they are glued together. He tried his best.

Of course he wants to please everyone but is seeing this is becoming harder and harder for him. Verbatim ~ "Everyone focuses on the not good point always." "I want them to see the good points" " I am only human, HT has good machines and even with that they do make mistakes. I know everyone wants a perfect figure. I do my best."

The briefcase wasn't gonna be possible for this project he told me. As for the dork clothes, I don't see whats wrong with having them. Joints problem aside and all, two of Jules main accessories everyone was clamoring for which are the wallet and "J" chain are only seen in the film with the dork clothes. So they are important to this release even though you might want to down them as unnecessary extras.

So after soaking in all the pages of talk since the V.I.P. Rainman was feeling kinda down. So he will go back and tweak the sculpt some and also offer the Big Kahuna Burger Soft Drink as a consolation to the underwhelmed customers.

IMO, I think this will be one of those release that people will regret passing on later. But thats just me. Do what you gotta do fellas. But I'm all in!


I feel bad for him when things aren't all hi-fives and hugs but I think it comes with the territory. It's really not fair to say that we're only focusing on the cons and ignoring the pros because 9/10 times it's the exact opposite. We spend a lot of time showering him with praise and complements and throwing rose pedals at his feet. He gets showered with glory when things live up to the expectations so should we just be silent when they don't? I think it's necessary to constructively voice our opinions when things go a little south. I do feel bad because I can only imagine then shot in the heart it is when your fans are dissapointed. Like Ray said you put your soul out there when your selling your art so in times like this you have to have tough skin.

(BTW I really like to hear Ray & Robbie's views in times like this. Both are fantastic artists and the are able to relate to Rainman, but sort of in different ways. Robbie is always more empethitic to RM's creative and artistic side in having to offer these as a product and while Ray is too he also understands the business side and the consumers side if the story. Always interesting to hear both of their opinions :duff)

The thing that RM has going is not like HT. He has a small group of followers. Some are casual, some are die hards, some are FS all the way every time and others just want a head every now and then. But while I understand the buy or don't buy theory, who the hell wants to take that approach?!?! Most if the die hards here are waiting at the edge of their seat for the next reveal and can't wait to get in. No one wants to take a pass! Every die hard wants every release to be worth the money he's asking!

As far as the dork clothes go I gotta be honest and say it was a bad call. I'm not arguing with you, just sharing my opinion :peace. The problems with them only start with knee and elbow joins. The worst problem are the ankles, especially for Jules if he would need the long ones. Then there's the fact that there's basically no flip-flops on the market. Shorty did a pretty good Frankenstein job but Perseus legs are super hard to come by and it still leaves the flip-flop problem. So Vince is doable but what's the solution for Jules :dunno. The only thing that comes to mind that even comes close is that slim AA Kaustic body; those are really hard to find too and will have the same sandal issue PLUS a height issue. Now they're tailored to fit the EB body so that complicates things that much more.

The idea sounds good in your head in may look passable in your minds eye but when you start to weigh out the pros and cons and want to execute it in real life, it's just not easily doable to a decent standard. So to acheive this Vince is easier and Jules is near impossible and you can't have one without the other so I think the whole idea should've been scrapped. Or it should have been a separate clothes set and sandals should've been included, but it shouldn't have been part if the FS. That way whoever was interested cold have stretched for it on their own but it didn't make sense to make everyone take it when most people weren't interested. He's only going to include so much for $820 so this took the place of something else that the majority of folks would've rather had and could've made better use of.



By the way...I have the EB AA body and it is literally one of the worst bodies I have owned...wobbly knee, bad articulation on the arms, etc. The foot pegs are different from the HT TTMs as well...going to suck hard when I get the H+C...


Thank you! But where were you when I was trying to get this point across :impatient: :lol

I've been saying this since it was first mentioned. I wish we were able to nip it in the bud


I'm glad to see a handful of others arguing on the side of Rainman's artistic freedom for once. Folks want to have it both ways, saying he is an artist and they value the art, but only on the buyer's terms since he's also running a business and charging high prices. Problem is, those two things aren't always reconcilable. If you are acting based on customers' demands then you are necessarily losing some of the creative spark that you would otherwise pour into something. And I know that at certain points the artist side of Rainman gets really fed up with all the second guessing and criticism that goes on.

But of course the VIP allotment sold out quickly despite all the complaints. All the full sets, head/outfit sets, and heads will also sell out very quickly as usual. So it looks like whatever Rainman chooses to do is still good enough for most, and if I were in his shoes I would treat the complaints as little more than empty bluster. If folks really aren't happy, put your money where your mouth is.


I'm with you but this one was clearly a release made for the fans and a lot of fan imput is behind this. I'm not sure how much of a fan he himself is
 
suggestions are one thing, thumbs on the scale another.

much goes on off board for awhile now.

That's true and that's all fine and well but the majority, the customer as a base will need to give input at any given time. Feedback along the way is essential, thankfully Rainman is a gentleman and incorporates feedback, but an "approvals" photo series released to the board before things are final will not only avoid disappointment from the customers but avoid surprises and frustration on the artists end.

This is what i think Rainman and the middle men need to work on, every time I've been a point person on a project I've done this.

To be honest I think Rainman is a little better at this than Denny is. Both get down on the feedback. I hate seeing this it sucks especially since the language barrier is a factor I always feel for them when they are down, as I said it can be avoided.
 
I feel bad for him when things aren't all hi-fives and hugs but I think it comes with the territory. It's really not fair to say that we're only focusing on the cons and ignoring the pros because 9/10 times it's the exact opposite. We spend a lot of time showering him with praise and complements and throwing rose pedals at his feet. He gets showered with glory when things live up to the expectations so should we just be silent when they don't? I think it's necessary to constructively voice our opinions when things go a little south. I do feel bad because I can only imagine then shot in the heart it is when your fans are dissapointed. Like Ray said you put your soul out there when your selling your art so in times like this you have to have tough skin.

(BTW I really like to hear Ray & Robbie's views in times like this. Both are fantastic artists and the are able to relate to Rainman, but sort of in different ways. Robbie is always more empethitic to RM's creative and artistic side in having to offer these as a product and while Ray is too he also understands the business side and the consumers side if the story. Always interesting to hear both of their opinions :duff)

The thing that RM has going is not like HT. He has a small group of followers. Some are casual, some are die hards, some are FS all the way every time and others just want a head every now and then. But while I understand the buy or don't buy theory, who the hell wants to take that approach?!?! Most if the die hards here are waiting at the edge of their seat for the next reveal and can't wait to get in. No one wants to take a pass! Every die hard wants every release to be worth the money he's asking!

As far as the dork clothes go I gotta be honest and say it was a bad call. I'm not arguing with you, just sharing my opinion :peace. The problems with them only start with knee and elbow joins. The worst problem are the ankles, especially for Jules if he would need the long ones. Then there's the fact that there's basically no flip-flops on the market. Shorty did a pretty good Frankenstein job but Perseus legs are super hard to come by and it still leaves the flip-flop problem. So Vince is doable but what's the solution for Jules :dunno. The only thing that comes to mind that even comes close is that slim AA Kaustic body; those are really hard to find too and will have the same sandal issue PLUS a height issue. Now they're tailored to fit the EB body so that complicates things that much more.

The idea sounds good in your head in may look passable in your minds eye but when you start to weigh out the pros and cons and want to execute it in real life, it's just not easily doable to a decent standard. So to acheive this Vince is easier and Jules is near impossible and you can't have one without the other so I think the whole idea should've been scrapped. Or it should have been a separate clothes set and sandals should've been included, but it shouldn't have been part if the FS. That way whoever was interested cold have stretched for it on their own but it didn't make sense to make everyone take it when most people weren't interested. He's only going to include so much for $820 so this took the place of something else that the majority of folks would've rather had and could've made better use of.






Thank you! But where were you when I was trying to get this point across :impatient: :lol

I've been saying this since it was first mentioned. I wish we were able to nip it in the bud





I'm with you but this one was clearly a release made for the fans and a lot of fan imput is behind this. I'm not sure how much of a fan he himself is

Holy Term Paper Batman! :horror
 
Great post Pop! Didn't think of the issues with the dork clothes until you hit the hammer on the nail...this is goi g to be rough for the HC folks...
 
I don't want to quote the whole post but as per usual there's a lot of wisdom in PopCultKids last post,

I really think he gives a fair assessment of all sides. I'm glad he also commented on the obvious the overwhelming praise Rainman usually gets. Maybe that's why the negative feedback stings even more because its usually all good. I've always taken no complaints as praise also, it means the masses have nothing to pick at. That's a very good thing!

But a collective nod to all of you (us) for discussing these things which respect, after all we are all on the side of supporting the Man.
 
The only thing that comes to mind that even comes close is that slim AA Kaustic body; those are really hard to find too and will have the same sandal issue PLUS a height issue.

Hard to find because it was never made ;)

They've only done AA in the KP02 and KP03, both of which do not have "nude" ankles. So yeah, it's gonna be hard to put together a dork Jules unless you pull an elvis and dye a set of Perseus legs.
 
Cause Bill and The Dude weren't recommended right? :lol

:lol

Exactly.

Bill, Dude, Alex: all recommended and those are some of his finest works.

I know those 3 where suggested to him I also know who suggested them to him :). He cleary had more love for the subject matter tho look at the results no? Like i said just my opinion guys it's not gospel :)
 
I know Pop has been sitting on that post all day!:lol

I still see no problems with the dork clothes. I understand what the goal is. A seamless, jointless figure. But we cant do that on every release. Its the nature of the beast. So since Rainman said the breifcase couldn't be done. I'm curious to what items we really had left for Vince and Jules. Not much. These guys are light on the accessories movie wise. I think Rainman did a great job. And he will wow all the naysayers once Jules is in hand. I believe in him. I know alot of you do as well. So lets see what comes about. Its out of our hands now!
 
I know those 3 where suggested to him I also know who suggested them to him :). He cleary had more love for the subject matter tho look at the results no? Like i said just my opinion guys it's not gospel :)

Oh don't get me wrong mate I completely agree on that. :duff
 
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