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[VintijDroidGutzz]

I see what you mean about the 'Nike' moment.. but I seriously don't think that was Cameron's intention at the time. I'm sure he just wanted to show Reese as a quick thinker on his feet, & ready for anything. After all, he was a resistance soldier sent back in time. I just don't agree with your other points, but that's cool.

As far as IMDB & the like; too much muddying of the waters on those sites, so objectivity goes out the window.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

I could easily be mean to you with everything that you told me, but I won't. Being nice is a choice. I"ll choose to be nice in this instance.

So what you're tacitly implying here is that you took something deeply personal I chose to dredge up and disclose to you, in good faith, as ammunition to be stockpiled for future use?

My respect for you was pretty low to begin with, now it's at exactly zero.

Rewatched Terminator, going to lower my score to 8/10.

Reasons
- The pointless Nike shot. Ads mid movie are always terrible. Focus on the story
- The first scene. The set and effects look very dated.
- The music does not hold up. This is a personal preference, but only one song really fit the scene it played in.
- The contradiction from Kyle about being careful with the bombs, yet he proceeds to throw them into the bag and you can clearly hear it
- Certain shots of The Terminator looked very unrealistic and animated at times.


Going to watch T2 later in the day.

 

[WWEJedi]

Just for clarification, here is the shot that looks off. Animated? Unrealistic?

 

[WWEJedi]

So what you're tacitly implying here is that you took something deeply personal I chose to dredge up and disclose to you, in good faith, as ammunition to be stockpiled for future use?

Not at all. Even through your repeated insults I feel sorry for what you went trough. No one should have to. Glad you made it.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

It's classic stop motion, what do you want - current CG garbage?

It's a little obvious, but it just adds to the freaky movement of a killer robot that's been damaged but still driven to complete it's mission objective.

 

[WWEJedi]

It's classic stop motion, what do you want - current CG garbage?

It's a little obvious, but it just adds to the freaky movement of a killer robot that's been damaged but still driven to complete it's mission objective.

No, but Stop Motion..... eh....

Was it always stop motion through the entire film? He appeared to be a real continuously moving prop in certain scenes. Where as in the one I pointed out, he wasn't.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

No, but Stop Motion..... eh....

Was it always stop motion through the entire film? He appeared to be a real continuously moving prop in certain scenes. Where as in the one I pointed out, he wasn't.

No, not at all! It was also a puppet in some scenes; either mounted to an operator's shoulders, or in the case of the crawling torso towards the end, hand operated off camera in it's own way.

Dude, do yourself a favour & check out the documentaries for T1 - pure gold. Stan Winston & his crew were miracle makers.

 

[EVILFACE]

Just for clarification, here is the shot that looks off. Animated? Unrealistic?

Oh lawd Jezuz.

You do realize that the first Terminator was a low budget flick and stilled turned out iconic props and fx by Stan Winston? Even the big budget for the era Return of the Jedi a year before used stop motion.

General use CGI that you are prolly use to was still 7 years away with T2....

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Just for clarification, here is the shot that looks off. Animated? Unrealistic?

You're complaining about special effects in a film made on a shoestring budget ($6.5 million) in 1984 by a then-unknown director and fledgling special effects team. CGI didn't exist in any meaningful, usable way at this point. That's a stop-motion puppet the size of a Hot Toys figure, moved in tiny increments and photographed with each movement, for about 1/4 of a second of film per increment, with the resulting footage then being manually matted onto a live-action background.

You're also complaining about typical 80's nightclub music in a film made in the 80's, and about a Nike logo appearing because frankly Cameron probably needed the backhander from them to finish the film.

You seem to be completely incapable of looking past the technological and logistical limitations this film was made under - which is pretty ironic considering your vigorous and ongoing martyrdom in defence of the Star Wars prequels, films which now largely look like some ungodly fusion of live-action and mid-lifespan PS3 game.

It's classic stop motion, what do you want - current CG garbage?

It's a little obvious, but it just adds to the freaky movement of a killer robot that's been damaged but still driven to complete it's mission objective.

I'll second that. The ED-209 scenes in Robocop are still glorious to this day. Good stop-motion has a weight and grit CGI rarely seems to accomplish.

 

[WWEJedi]

No, not at all! It was also a puppet in some scenes; either mounted to an operator's shoulders, or in the case of the crawling torso towards the end, hand operated off camera in it's own way.

Dude, do yourself a favour & check out the documentaries for T1 - pure gold. Stan Winston & his crew were miracle makers.

Did not know that at all. Very interesting. I thought it looked absolutely tremendous in the majority of scenes, just that one I had a problem with. Will definatley have to check those documentaries out later on. Do you have a recommendation?

I did enjoy Terminator. I remember liking T2 more so than the original, but haven't seen these in years it seems. If it goes good might begin to try to find some Hot Toys to purchase.

Oh lawd Jezuz.

You do realize that the first Terminator was a low budget flick and stilled turned out iconic props and fx by Stan Winston? General use CGI that you are prolly use to was still 7 years away with T2....

I am just a casual fan who only watched them once each years ago. I literally know nothing about Terminator as a franchise besides the basic plot throughout each. I know I should know these things though.

 

[WWEJedi]

You're complaining about special effects in a film made on a shoestring budget ($6.5 million) in 1984 by a then-unknown director and fledgling special effects team. CGI didn't exist in any meaningful, usable way at this point. That's a stop-motion puppet the size of a Hot Toys figure, moved in tiny increments and photographed each with each movement, for about 1/4 of a second of film per increment, with the resulting footage then being manually matted onto a live-action background.

Sorry........ as I said, I know nothing about the franchise besides the basic plots. I guess I should have researched a bit more before giving out a score without knowing the circumstances of the movie production. I'm still not a fan of that particular scene though Considering I thought the rest of the scenes with the stripped down Terminator looked pretty much perfect.

You're also complaining about typical 80's nightclub music in a film made in the 80's, and about a Nike logo appearing because frankly Cameron probably needed the backhander from them to finish the film.

The club music is fine. I never mentioned it either. It is the music during the chase scenes and the Sarah/Kyle making baby John scene that I don't like.

You seem to be completely incapable of looking past the technological and logistical limitations this film was made under - which is pretty ironic considering your vigorous and ongoing martyrdom in defence of the Star Wars prequels, films which now largely look like some ungodly fusion of live-action and mid-lifespan PS3 game.

Its funny you say that. I ranked this higher than TPM and AOTC and might even change my score again after knowing more facts and put it past ROTS after I watch the documentary. I thought the original Star Wars did a much better job as whole than this though and I managed to look by those "technological and logistical limitations" since I don't believe they really had any.


As far as that ED-209 scene.... I don't personally like that. Looks bad in my opinion in today's time....


But since most of you grew up with that stuff.... you will disagree. Perception is based in the environment you are raised in. There is going to be a clear difference in taste with such an age gap....

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Did not know that at all. Very interesting. I thought it looked absolutely tremendous in the majority of scenes, just that one I had a problem with. Will definatley have to check those documentaries out later on. Do you have a recommendation?

Just get the Blu-Ray, it's all on there.

Also, do a quick search on youtube - lots on there too.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Just get the Blu-Ray, it's all on there.

Also get the Laserdisc (or digital copy thereof), the Blu-Ray's got that weird digital colour grading on it

 

[WWEJedi]

Just get the Blu-Ray, it's all on there.

Also, do a quick search on youtube - lots on there too.

Also get the Laserdisc (or digital copy thereof), the Blu-Ray's got that weird digital colour grading on it

Will do both. Thanks for the advice guys.

Edit: Now that the picture is showing up, I can see the major difference.

 

[GasparZizou]

Sicario - 9/10 Holy ****, What a satisfying movie.

Photography is tight tight tight, the score is eerie and slick, and the story is tense, and a bit sneaky.



Oooh so pleasing.

 

[RIDDICK]

General use CGI that you are prolly use to was still 7 years away with T2....

Yet still it was used for T-1000 only.
Everything else was as real as it gets and looked solid.

 

[GasparZizou]

And it still holds up perfectly today.

 

[WWEJedi]

Photography is tight tight tight

This is all I can think of

 

[RIDDICK]

And it still holds up perfectly today.

Unfortunately, Arnold puppet in the "walking through bulletstorm hallway" scene looked horrible even back there.

 

[GasparZizou]

This is all I can think of

that was what I was going for

Unfortunately, Arnold puppet in the "walking through bulletstorm hallway" scene looked horrible even back there.

I meant the CGI, but that scene also looks good to me, but I have a soft spot for practical fx.